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Quote from: blockman on June 02, 2021, 05:38:00 PM

These Ravena brothers might stay on the B League of Japan as they're going to be more recognized there and have a better basketball career.

Most probably as this league gives a better salary than the PBA, as rumor says, the salary of Thirdy Ravena is higher than the highest paid PBA player which is June Mar Fajardo, so Kiefer might just thinking of his better future.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 01, 2021, 11:31:44 PM

Speaking of Ravena brothers, we have some breaking news here!

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/31549892/kiefer-set-follow-thirdy-bleague-signs-shiga-lakestars

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NLEX guard Kiefer Ravena set to sign with Japan B.League's Shiga Lakestars

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Kiefer Ravena is close to joining brother Thirdy in Japan as the B.League's latest Asian Player Quota import for the Shiga Lakestars in the 2021-22 season, the team announced Wednesday.

How bad it has become for the PBA, their stars that make the league interesting are playing abroad as an import, more players will follow for sure.

Bang! I didn't saw this coming but within the day, I tuned in the news about Marcial giving a statement that Kiefer cannot leave NLEX because he's still attached with a contract. But on the other news, NLEX management has said that they've given Kiefer a blessing to go on. I don't understand that there's a binding contract towards PBA and not with NLEX. NLEX might have allowed Kiefer to go on but is he going to go through with the PBA management first and gets their blessing before he's finally released? These Ravena brothers might stay on the B League of Japan as they're going to be more recognized there and have a better basketball career.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on June 02, 2021, 09:44:28 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on June 02, 2021, 04:59:29 AM

I would say it's good news for us because our talent are recognized abroad, however, it will degrade the PBA as their players are living for better opportunity, but hopefully, this will not create a domino effect and the PBA owners will adjust their salary so players will stay.

It's like the scenario in our daily life, people choose to work abroad because they offer good compensation.

Well, players have mouths to feed and bills to pay so pretty sure why they want to go to a greener pasture, it wouldn't happen if the pay here is good don't you think? Plus with players moving, more new players are introduced.

Looking at it in a different perspectives, if players from PBA continue are allow being pirated outside the country its gives new aspiring players to step up and showcase their skills, I follow your sentiments what this two brothers did are the faces of reality inside this league, the amount of compensations are far lower than those offers abroad.

If chance permits them, players who wanted to have a much decent future will grab this kind of opportunities, knowing that they are not going any younger and decent savings are better than anything.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on June 02, 2021, 04:59:29 AM

I would say it's good news for us because our talent are recognized abroad, however, it will degrade the PBA as their players are living for better opportunity, but hopefully, this will not create a domino effect and the PBA owners will adjust their salary so players will stay.

It's like the scenario in our daily life, people choose to work abroad because they offer good compensation.

Well, players have mouths to feed and bills to pay so pretty sure why they want to go to a greener pasture, it wouldn't happen if the pay here is good don't you think? Plus with players moving, more new players are introduced.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 01, 2021, 11:31:44 PM

Speaking of Ravena brothers, we have some breaking news here!

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/31549892/kiefer-set-follow-thirdy-bleague-signs-shiga-lakestars

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NLEX guard Kiefer Ravena set to sign with Japan B.League's Shiga Lakestars

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Kiefer Ravena is close to joining brother Thirdy in Japan as the B.League's latest Asian Player Quota import for the Shiga Lakestars in the 2021-22 season, the team announced Wednesday.

How bad it has become for the PBA, their stars that make the league interesting are playing abroad as an import, more players will follow for sure.

Wow

it's more on the money side, Kiefer see the opportunities knowing that even he'll try his best here in our country the amount of salaries that will be
offer for him would not be the same with the amount of his brothers paycheck now,

I heard it before with Abueva, he mentioned amount that really hard to resist, but since PBA allow him to play back I guess he choose to stay.

Kiefer being practical, playing as import with high salary he's still young and always have space inside PBA he can give it a try and see the difference. GL

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 02, 2021, 05:35:44 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 02, 2021, 04:20:47 AM

On the other hand, we might see some PBA players getting interested to play in other countries but still it will be the team's decision if they will get them or not.

They would get them if they have the talent, actually, we already hear some news before that some players are given an opportunity to play abroad.
IIRC< that was Romeo and Abueva getting offers, but maybe they had declined it as they choose the PBA.

It's correct, and we have an article for that.

Calvin Abueva confirms receiving Japan offer, but says not biting - yet

This offer came during his suspension in the PBA, but he is more interested to come back than go abroad to play, in the end, it still depends on the interest of the players but some players will certainly choose a good paycheck.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 02, 2021, 04:20:47 AM

On the other hand, we might see some PBA players getting interested to play in other countries but still it will be the team's decision if they will get them or not.

They would get them if they have the talent, actually, we already hear some news before that some players are given an opportunity to play abroad.
IIRC< that was Romeo and Abueva getting offers, but maybe they had declined it as they choose the PBA.

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I would say it's good news for us because our talent are recognized abroad, however, it will degrade the PBA as their players are living for better opportunity, but hopefully, this will not create a domino effect and the PBA owners will adjust their salary so players will stay.

It's like the scenario in our daily life, people choose to work abroad because they offer good compensation.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 01, 2021, 11:31:44 PM

Speaking of Ravena brothers, we have some breaking news here!

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/31549892/kiefer-set-follow-thirdy-bleague-signs-shiga-lakestars

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NLEX guard Kiefer Ravena set to sign with Japan B.League's Shiga Lakestars

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Kiefer Ravena is close to joining brother Thirdy in Japan as the B.League's latest Asian Player Quota import for the Shiga Lakestars in the 2021-22 season, the team announced Wednesday.

How bad it has become for the PBA, their stars that make the league interesting are playing abroad as an import, more players will follow for sure.

This might create a domino effect that has been started by Thirdy Ravena.
There is a possibility that the other PBA Players will think like "Kiefer can play to other countries to so I will try my luck too and will play on other countries. Higher salary and better competition".

Kiefer still has a contract with his mother team but the Shiga Lakestars can just buyout him and he can play already in Japan. How bad it is?? Like I said, it might force other PBA players to go abroad too and play into other countries and if that happen the competition in our league will decrease because of lack of good players. I expect for more players to follow with this trend and if the PBA management can't stop this then it will be a problem for them.

On the other hand, we might see some PBA players getting interested to play in other countries but still it will be the team's decision if they will get them or not. Its just lucky that the Ravena brothers are the first ones who played in Japan or I should say that they are good enough to enter the Japan Basketball League. Either way, this will benefit both of them as they will gain more experience and after few years they will come back to the PH.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 01, 2021, 11:31:44 PM

Speaking of Ravena brothers, we have some breaking news here!

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/31549892/kiefer-set-follow-thirdy-bleague-signs-shiga-lakestars

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NLEX guard Kiefer Ravena set to sign with Japan B.League's Shiga Lakestars

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Kiefer Ravena is close to joining brother Thirdy in Japan as the B.League's latest Asian Player Quota import for the Shiga Lakestars in the 2021-22 season, the team announced Wednesday.

How bad it has become for the PBA, their stars that make the league interesting are playing abroad as an import, more players will follow for sure.

I don't know if Kiefer Ravena will have a smooth transition to his Japanese Team as he will face some complications on this matter. The commissioner have spoke up that what Kiefer did was wrong because he has recently signed a three year contract extension with NLEX. He should have consulted first his legal adviser before agreeing to sign with the Japanese team.

Nevertheless, it's a good sign that Japan have interest on Filipino cagers as this will motivate the young to work hard as the option to play in the professional league is not limited to PBA anymore.

I think this scenario will not do bad for the PBA as only few players are fit to play as an import and these Ravenas will be back to Philippine soil 2-3 years from now.

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Speaking of Ravena brothers, we have some breaking news here!

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/31549892/kiefer-set-follow-thirdy-bleague-signs-shiga-lakestars

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NLEX guard Kiefer Ravena set to sign with Japan B.League's Shiga Lakestars

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Kiefer Ravena is close to joining brother Thirdy in Japan as the B.League's latest Asian Player Quota import for the Shiga Lakestars in the 2021-22 season, the team announced Wednesday.

How bad it has become for the PBA, their stars that make the league interesting are playing abroad as an import, more players will follow for sure.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on June 01, 2021, 07:31:07 AM

I think Thirdy Ravena is better, he is more athletic than his brother, but overall they are good that's why they are stars of their team back in college. Hopefully, Thirdy would be able to play in the PBA, his experience abroad might really help him in the PBA.

Yeah, they've been popular back in their collegiate leagues and that's why it became easy for them to improve and play for another league. Thirdy got an offer abroad with San-En in Japan and that's not really rare at all because there were probably offers for some of the other players but it wasn't documented and broadcasted. But it was a good run for him IMHO, such opportunities shouldn't be missed. And on the other news, Kai Sotto is back again in our country. He's about to play for Gilas but some news that I've read says that it is unsure participation for him. But good for him that he trained with his mates back then so the adjustment wouldn't be hard for him. This kid is busy on his career and he's just flying from and to.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on June 01, 2021, 08:40:30 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on June 01, 2021, 08:17:05 AM

Quote from: Viscore on May 31, 2021, 04:21:03 PM

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And, how about this performance individually, which is better, his older brother or him?

For me, it's hard to tell who's better as they play different position. Kiefer plays point-guard while Thirdy is more of a 2-3 player.

Both of them have not yet lead a team to a championship so i can say that both of them are raw but with Thirdy playing as an import in Japan, i think he has the advantage on experience as he is more exposed on a different types of play and have guarded players which were more talented than PBA players.

I agree with you, at a young age, Thirdy chooses to explore his chances abroad and a team would not make him an import if he does not have an exceptional talent. However, we can't compare until he played in the PBA, just like the Ball Brothers.

Bigger offer while this pandemic hitting the country, Thirdy explore and create he's own name abroad while Kiefer is creating his own one here in our country,

They've got different position so it's hard to tell who's better among the two, and like what you have said lets wait till he played inside PBA and see what he got after playing outside.

It's good having him playing alongside with Kiefer I wanna see if there's chemistry among them as brothers.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 31, 2021, 04:21:03 PM

~snip~
And, how about this performance individually, which is better, his older brother or him?

For me, it's hard to tell who's better as they play different position. Kiefer plays point-guard while Thirdy is more of a 2-3 player.

Both of them have not yet lead a team to a championship so i can say that both of them are raw but with Thirdy playing as an import in Japan, i think he has the advantage on experience as he is more exposed on a different types of play and have guarded players which were more talented than PBA players.

I agree with you, at a young age, Thirdy chooses to explore his chances abroad and a team would not make him an import if he does not have an exceptional talent. However, we can't compare until he played in the PBA, just like the Ball Brothers.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 31, 2021, 04:21:03 PM

~snip~
And, how about this performance individually, which is better, his older brother or him?

For me, it's hard to tell who's better as they play different position. Kiefer plays point-guard while Thirdy is more of a 2-3 player.

Both of them have not yet lead a team to a championship so i can say that both of them are raw but with Thirdy playing as an import in Japan, i think he has the advantage on experience as he is more exposed on a different types of play and have guarded players which were more talented than PBA players.

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I believe we have a lot of gamblers in the forum who loves Philippines Basketball particularly PBA, that's why I'm bringing this outside the local.

Let's discuss the current events, news, and the games here. You may also share you bets here if you want to help fellow gamblers to win or ask some opinion from our fellow gamblers here.

The PBA has a short conference only but they also have short break, so if we are betting often in this games, we can easily familiarize the teams since there are only few teams compared to the NBA.

Hopefully we can make a good and helpful discussion in this thread.

In my own observation in PBA, every time GSM will go in the finals a lot of people and arena are always fully occupied and the majority of the fans are happy to watch because of the GSM players. Moreover, there are a lot of gambling form that has been made through with this games in the field of basketball whether online or not.

GSM is still good as they won in the bubble although there are no fans, and they can still do that in the coming bubble as they have improve their line up by acquiring C. Stand. By the way, Tenorio had already joined the practice, this is a good news.

https://pba.ph/news/tenorio-finally-on-board-for-ginebra

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Quote from: mirakal on July 29, 2019, 04:46:26 AM

I believe we have a lot of gamblers in the forum who loves Philippines Basketball particularly PBA, that's why I'm bringing this outside the local.

Let's discuss the current events, news, and the games here. You may also share you bets here if you want to help fellow gamblers to win or ask some opinion from our fellow gamblers here.

The PBA has a short conference only but they also have short break, so if we are betting often in this games, we can easily familiarize the teams since there are only few teams compared to the NBA.

Hopefully we can make a good and helpful discussion in this thread.

In my own observation in PBA, every time GSM will go in the finals a lot of people and arena are always fully occupied and the majority of the fans are happy to watch because of the GSM players. Moreover, there are a lot of gambling form that has been made through with this games in the field of basketball whether online or not.

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I think Thirdy Ravena is better, he is more athletic than his brother, but overall they are good that's why they are stars of their team back in college. Hopefully, Thirdy would be able to play in the PBA, his experience abroad might really help him in the PBA.

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Thirdy on future plans: 'Never mawawala PBA para sa akin'

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HE PBA will eventually come.

Despite signing a new contract with the San-en NeoPhoenix in the Japan B. League, Thirdy Ravena sees himself eventually playing in Asia’s pioneering pro league.

For someone whose family has long been involved in the country’s top sports entertainment, Thirdy sees the PBA becoming part of his career later on.

“Definitely, never namang mawawala yung PBA para sa akin,” said the young Ravena, who arrived in the country last Friday.

“I don’t think my career would be fulfilling if I don’t play in the PBA.”

If Thirdy Ravena will get drafted in the PBA, which team do you think will fit him?

And, how about this performance individually, which is better, his older brother or him?

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Quote from: Beparanf on May 31, 2021, 09:53:01 AM

Yeah, Both the two old you mention was more physically fit than Caguioa.

Indeed, Both Centers and still doing good with their respective teams even at this age.

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Hugnatan and Reavis gameplay in the court is more on physical defense than offense while Caguioa is more on offense that's why he play shorter time compared to the other two old player.

Yeah right, both big men still contributing with the team defense and not focus in their offense, while Caguioa, his position is more for young players who really have the speed that once he have when he still on his prime.

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I believe playing shorter is also Caguiao decision due to his play style is not anymore synchronize to his body strength.

He's giving it to much younger player and coach tim knew that, even he loves to play but he knew his body is no longer synch with his capabilities.

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His presence is the only reason why is still effective for his team.

More on mental contributions and the team loves him there sharing the spirit of Never say Die bloodlines. Grin

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