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But I think Caguioa I think he will retire soon he doesn't have any to prove and he's prime is already over.

If he would retire he should have retired before, no, Caguioa is still enjoying, he maybe wants to make some history and to be a hall of famer in the PBA, and the good thing is the team is allowing him to stay. Some veterans only retired because they know they are not used anymore in the team, they are just hired out of respect, but for Caguioa, I think the case is different.

Well said! The team still wants his service they continue to see the worth out from him, Mark "the Spark" Caguioa still brings

energy around his teammates, with his fighting mindset even he's no longer playing the same level as before,

His presence is enough to boost the team up, and look when the coach brings him in the reactions of the crowd simply tells it up why he's still inside the team.

Actually, there are more players that are older than him that are given heavy minutes.

They are Reynel Hugnatan of the Meralco Boltz and Rafi Reavis of the Magnolia hotspots.

Rafi Reavis -43 years old
Reynel Hugnatan - 42 years

Mark Caguioa is only 41 years old, he is not the oldest active PBA player now.

Yeah, Both the two old you mention was more physically fit than Caguioa. Hugnatan and Reavis gameplay in the court is more on physical defense than offense while Caguioa is more on offense that's why he play shorter time compared to the other two old player. I believe playing shorter is also Caguiao decision due to his play style is not anymore synchronize to his body strength. His presence is the only reason why is still effective for his team.

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But I think Caguioa I think he will retire soon he doesn't have any to prove and he's prime is already over.

If he would retire he should have retired before, no, Caguioa is still enjoying, he maybe wants to make some history and to be a hall of famer in the PBA, and the good thing is the team is allowing him to stay. Some veterans only retired because they know they are not used anymore in the team, they are just hired out of respect, but for Caguioa, I think the case is different.

Well said! The team still wants his service they continue to see the worth out from him, Mark "the Spark" Caguioa still brings

energy around his teammates, with his fighting mindset even he's no longer playing the same level as before,

His presence is enough to boost the team up, and look when the coach brings him in the reactions of the crowd simply tells it up why he's still inside the team.

Actually, there are more players that are older than him that are given heavy minutes.

They are Reynel Hugnatan of the Meralco Boltz and Rafi Reavis of the Magnolia hotspots.

Rafi Reavis -43 years old
Reynel Hugnatan - 42 years

Mark Caguioa is only 41 years old, he is not the oldest active PBA player now.

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But I think Caguioa I think he will retire soon he doesn't have any to prove and he's prime is already over.

If he would retire he should have retired before, no, Caguioa is still enjoying, he maybe wants to make some history and to be a hall of famer in the PBA, and the good thing is the team is allowing him to stay. Some veterans only retired because they know they are not used anymore in the team, they are just hired out of respect, but for Caguioa, I think the case is different.

Well said! The team still wants his service they continue to see the worth out from him, Mark "the Spark" Caguioa still brings

energy around his teammates, with his fighting mindset even he's no longer playing the same level as before,

His presence is enough to boost the team up, and look when the coach brings him in the reactions of the crowd simply tells it up why he's still inside the team.

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Quote from: arwin100 on May 31, 2021, 06:47:50 AM

But I think Caguioa I think he will retire soon he doesn't have any to prove and he's prime is already over.

If he would retire he should have retired before, no, Caguioa is still enjoying, he maybe wants to make some history and to be a hall of famer in the PBA, and the good thing is the team is allowing him to stay. Some veterans only retired because they know they are not used anymore in the team, they are just hired out of respect, but for Caguioa, I think the case is different.

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I forget Peter June Simon had already retired from PBA.
https://pba.ph/news/simon-welcomes-pingris-to-retirement-life

It seemed like the time flies now, what do we expect next, James Yap retiring?

These 3 are great teammates back in the day with San Mig Mixers.

If we will see James Yap playing this bubble which is I think that he will then we might see this year as his final year of playing.

His contributions to the team are very low right now. Its quite hard to say this but I think that he might need to give his slot too to other young players like others did as well. I don't know how many years he will be playing base on his contract but if this year will be the last then he might retire after this conference.

Bubble games really is hard because you will not see your family personally for months. That is one of the reasons too why some of the older players retired this year already aside from the fact that they can't contribute that much anymore.

James Yap is 39 years old, there are older players than him that are still active in the PBA, and he did not give a hint that he will retire, maybe he is still enjoying, and I what I can see, he is still fit and could deliver.

We have Caguioa, Hugnatan, and Raffy who are still active, they are already in their 40s.

Since we aren't seeing any signs of him retiring this year, he might be useful in the ROS as his experience might help these young players and possible that he might mentor some new players too that will come in the team.

Its quite happy to see that even though their ages are 40, they can still play and run in the court like they are in their young 30's

. Maybe they are inspired of what Taulava did where he is still playing even though he is 47 years old although he retired already.

39 is young knowing PBA's retirement age is at above 40 if they are star and can able to produce on their team but in the case of James for sure he has many years to roll out and ros still need his service for better rooster rotation on their campaign. But I think Caguioa I think he will retire soon he doesn't have any to prove and he's prime is already over.

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Quote from: Maslate on May 29, 2021, 08:04:21 AM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 28, 2021, 04:47:04 PM

I forget Peter June Simon had already retired from PBA.
https://pba.ph/news/simon-welcomes-pingris-to-retirement-life

It seemed like the time flies now, what do we expect next, James Yap retiring?

These 3 are great teammates back in the day with San Mig Mixers.

If we will see James Yap playing this bubble which is I think that he will then we might see this year as his final year of playing.

His contributions to the team are very low right now. Its quite hard to say this but I think that he might need to give his slot too to other young players like others did as well. I don't know how many years he will be playing base on his contract but if this year will be the last then he might retire after this conference.

Bubble games really is hard because you will not see your family personally for months. That is one of the reasons too why some of the older players retired this year already aside from the fact that they can't contribute that much anymore.

James Yap is 39 years old, there are older players than him that are still active in the PBA, and he did not give a hint that he will retire, maybe he is still enjoying, and I what I can see, he is still fit and could deliver.

We have Caguioa, Hugnatan, and Raffy who are still active, they are already in their 40s.

Since we aren't seeing any signs of him retiring this year, he might be useful in the ROS as his experience might help these young players and possible that he might mentor some new players too that will come in the team.

Its quite happy to see that even though their ages are 40, they can still play and run in the court like they are in their young 30's

. Maybe they are inspired of what Taulava did where he is still playing even though he is 47 years old although he retired already.

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Very true to his alias because he really gives that spark to the team. And despite he's no longer the same as during his prime, there's still the click that he gives to the team especially during crucial times. He's one of the most known PBA player that really has a huge following in the entire league and I remember it when I was also younger, the fans are all on him and his team as well. The perk is definitely deserving for him because he's stayed to the team and the team won't even like to release him. There's the magic that makes the team lively and also having the huge crowd and fan base.

With his interactions with the fans that sparks always brings the magic, I also agree that even he no longer bring the same quality of athleticism but once the fans reacts the magic start.

He deserve all those acknowledgements and all the privilege that he's getting from the franchise, they've seen his worth and they've value his contributions.

Even it's not that much anymore but listening to the fans, that's something the team always think and wisely reacts.

I can remember those days when there's a fight of Ginebra even if it's just a regular game day, the coliseum is always full and tickets are always sold out. I haven't watched live but that's always happening and what I've observed when they're having a match even if it's not the championships or playoffs. He's really clicking the crowd and fans and with his tandem JJ Helterbrand. Don't forget about his partner guys, I don't know where JJ is right now. Is he on the MPBL? if he's which team he's part of?

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Very true to his alias because he really gives that spark to the team. And despite he's no longer the same as during his prime, there's still the click that he gives to the team especially during crucial times. He's one of the most known PBA player that really has a huge following in the entire league and I remember it when I was also younger, the fans are all on him and his team as well. The perk is definitely deserving for him because he's stayed to the team and the team won't even like to release him. There's the magic that makes the team lively and also having the huge crowd and fan base.

With his interactions with the fans that sparks always brings the magic, I also agree that even he no longer bring the same quality of athleticism but once the fans reacts the magic start.

He deserve all those acknowledgements and all the privilege that he's getting from the franchise, they've seen his worth and they've value his contributions.

Even it's not that much anymore but listening to the fans, that's something the team always think and wisely reacts.

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James Yap is 39 years old, there are older players than him that are still active in the PBA, and he did not give a hint that he will retire, maybe he is still enjoying, and I what I can see, he is still fit and could deliver.

We have Caguioa, Hugnatan, and Raffy who are still active, they are already in their 40s.

What I've heard about Caguioa is that he's free to continue as the management said and he's the one to decide whether he's going to be out of the league already. That's the best incentive that was give to him because AFAIK, there's one guy, maybe that was LA who told him that he's going to be like one of the kind who have retired by just having one team entirely with his whole PBA career. And that's why he's just passing some of the years that's still on him before he retires.

Caguioa is the "Magic Bunot" of coach Tim Cone, when he plays, he bring some energy on the floor as the fans will be cheering for him, I saw some games when Ginebra was down big time, but he comes in, he can help to Trim down the lead and they are back in the game.

He maybe not gonna play more minutes but his veteran experience is very vital to the team, the reason why he has this kind of perks that other veterans don't have. He is "mark the spark", that's why he gives some spark when he is on the floor.

Very true to his alias because he really gives that spark to the team. And despite he's no longer the same as during his prime, there's still the click that he gives to the team especially during crucial times. He's one of the most known PBA player that really has a huge following in the entire league and I remember it when I was also younger, the fans are all on him and his team as well. The perk is definitely deserving for him because he's stayed to the team and the team won't even like to release him. There's the magic that makes the team lively and also having the huge crowd and fan base.

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Quote from: Maslate on May 29, 2021, 08:04:21 AM

James Yap is 39 years old, there are older players than him that are still active in the PBA, and he did not give a hint that he will retire, maybe he is still enjoying, and I what I can see, he is still fit and could deliver.

We have Caguioa, Hugnatan, and Raffy who are still active, they are already in their 40s.

What I've heard about Caguioa is that he's free to continue as the management said and he's the one to decide whether he's going to be out of the league already. That's the best incentive that was give to him because AFAIK, there's one guy, maybe that was LA who told him that he's going to be like one of the kind who have retired by just having one team entirely with his whole PBA career. And that's why he's just passing some of the years that's still on him before he retires.

Caguioa is the "Magic Bunot" of coach Tim Cone, when he plays, he bring some energy on the floor as the fans will be cheering for him, I saw some games when Ginebra was down big time, but he comes in, he can help to Trim down the lead and they are back in the game.

He maybe not gonna play more minutes but his veteran experience is very vital to the team, the reason why he has this kind of perks that other veterans don't have. He is "mark the spark", that's why he gives some spark when he is on the floor.

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Quote from: Maslate on May 29, 2021, 08:04:21 AM

James Yap is 39 years old, there are older players than him that are still active in the PBA, and he did not give a hint that he will retire, maybe he is still enjoying, and I what I can see, he is still fit and could deliver.

We have Caguioa, Hugnatan, and Raffy who are still active, they are already in their 40s.

What I've heard about Caguioa is that he's free to continue as the management said and he's the one to decide whether he's going to be out of the league already. That's the best incentive that was give to him because AFAIK, there's one guy, maybe that was LA who told him that he's going to be like one of the kind who have retired by just having one team entirely with his whole PBA career. And that's why he's just passing some of the years that's still on him before he retires.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 28, 2021, 04:47:04 PM

I forget Peter June Simon had already retired from PBA.
https://pba.ph/news/simon-welcomes-pingris-to-retirement-life

It seemed like the time flies now, what do we expect next, James Yap retiring?

These 3 are great teammates back in the day with San Mig Mixers.

If we will see James Yap playing this bubble which is I think that he will then we might see this year as his final year of playing.

His contributions to the team are very low right now. Its quite hard to say this but I think that he might need to give his slot too to other young players like others did as well. I don't know how many years he will be playing base on his contract but if this year will be the last then he might retire after this conference.

Bubble games really is hard because you will not see your family personally for months. That is one of the reasons too why some of the older players retired this year already aside from the fact that they can't contribute that much anymore.

James Yap is 39 years old, there are older players than him that are still active in the PBA, and he did not give a hint that he will retire, maybe he is still enjoying, and I what I can see, he is still fit and could deliver.

We have Caguioa, Hugnatan, and Raffy who are still active, they are already in their 40s.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 28, 2021, 04:47:04 PM

I forget Peter June Simon had already retired from PBA.
https://pba.ph/news/simon-welcomes-pingris-to-retirement-life

It seemed like the time flies now, what do we expect next, James Yap retiring?

These 3 are great teammates back in the day with San Mig Mixers.

If we will see James Yap playing this bubble which is I think that he will then we might see this year as his final year of playing.

His contributions to the team are very low right now. Its quite hard to say this but I think that he might need to give his slot too to other young players like others did as well. I don't know how many years he will be playing base on his contract but if this year will be the last then he might retire after this conference.

Bubble games really is hard because you will not see your family personally for months. That is one of the reasons too why some of the older players retired this year already aside from the fact that they can't contribute that much anymore.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 28, 2021, 04:47:04 PM

I forget Peter June Simon had already retired from PBA.
https://pba.ph/news/simon-welcomes-pingris-to-retirement-life

It seemed like the time flies now, what do we expect next, James Yap retiring?

These 3 are great teammates back in the day with San Mig Mixers.

Yes, it was just last year since when he has announced his retirement. Correct me if I'm wrong, his wife is far from where the bubble shall happen and I think that's a struggle to him. He has also made his career colorful and great on PBA and he'll never be forgotten by those who were able to see his greatness as he played with one of the best teams during his prime. Pingris and Peter June are now out, maybe James Yap will be out soon if his contracts will start to become lesser because it's also one factor why they're retiring if they feel their worth drops a little.

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Quote from: chaser15 on May 27, 2021, 05:07:45 PM

What a nice observation on whoever created that speculation. It was possible since Marc Pingris' decision surprise even one of his closest teammates before, James Yap so it's really not a thing to expect from Pingris. For now, as of report, it was his age as the main reason and he can't play now to the highest level.

It's really difficult to play at the bubble since the player will leave his family for months. As we know, Pingris is a family-oriented man and I'm not sure if he can able to handle the bubble setup.

Seems there is truth to that "salary" speculation but whatever may the real reason, one thing is for sure Marc's body can't no longer bear the wear and tear in the PBA. He played very physical and in order to maintain that kind of play you have to be 100 percent healthy physically which is a hard thing to maintain if you are older.

We should also thanks to the management for waiting for him. They reserve a slot in the roster in case he decided to suit up for another year and that means that the Magnolia management really value his past contribution to the team.

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I forget Peter June Simon had already retired from PBA.
https://pba.ph/news/simon-welcomes-pingris-to-retirement-life

It seemed like the time flies now, what do we expect next, James Yap retiring?

These 3 are great teammates back in the day with San Mig Mixers.

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What a nice observation on whoever created that speculation. It was possible since Marc Pingris' decision surprise even one of his closest teammates before, James Yap so it's really not a thing to expect from Pingris. For now, as of report, it was his age as the main reason and he can't play now to the highest level.

It's really difficult to play at the bubble since the player will leave his family for months. As we know, Pingris is a family-oriented man and I'm not sure if he can able to handle the bubble setup.

Yes, his family might be one of the reason why he has decided to retire and as well as getting the support from her wife did him easy on that. I was shocked to see that he has retired but I think his whole PBA career is already long and one of the most successful that we had ever see. I've got a question and I hope that anyone who has a wide knowledge about this can answer. Does a PBA retire gets an allotment or retirement benefit from the league itself? for sure he'll be having some incentives and one time big pay check after his retirement. But just like us, when we get old, do they have the same as retirement pension?

It's not gonna be a bubble forever, I think he can choose not to play this season and still remain with the team, it's just that he made a final decision and that's it. I think it's really his age and injury, he is not anymore 100% and at the same time he is a fulfilled player.

Maybe there's really something new that he wants to try and he just have to retire. He did a great milestone with his career and even if we think that he can stay with his team, as said the contract was no longer good for him and that's probably one of the reasons why he has to quit. AFAIK, he's into investments and did that because he knew how to manage his financial stability. He already did the decision and the pinoy sakuragi has already made his exit to the league and we'll just support him what's next for him.

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Quote from: Vaculin on May 27, 2021, 06:47:11 AM

With the number of veterans who retired in the last 2 years, that is not normal, the pandemic was really a big factor in their decision. Also, we know that there are some PBA players who are not given a contract this season, that's another thing, the competition is getting in this struggling time.

Despite that, we hope to see a good season once the PBA season opens up.

We have 3 days before June 2021, isn't it the expected month of the opening of the new season?

I wish there would be no more problem and they will commence according to their plan.

There should be no more problem, the vaccine is already rolled out and I guess these players will already get vaccinated before the season will start. SMB teams can handle all the vaccines if they want as they are a rich team, and since it's a bubble, they are making it safer for everyone.

How about MVP, they are also rich like the SMB group, they can help procure vaccines for the players and staff. There's no news regarding that now, maybe they don't want to make it public, but it's not the most interesting, what's interesting is to know about the details of the season start.

Yeah right! MVP also have the same capabilities and for sure they already working on it now, though I'm not sure why they are not making it into public it will add extra exposures with their business,.

Like what you have said, it's more interesting to know when will be the start of the season after all those news about trades, practices and retirements, it's better now to know if there's a final approval that the boards already settled in terms of the final date of the opening.

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Quote from: Kasabus on May 28, 2021, 06:10:55 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on May 27, 2021, 04:09:35 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on May 27, 2021, 06:47:11 AM

With the number of veterans who retired in the last 2 years, that is not normal, the pandemic was really a big factor in their decision. Also, we know that there are some PBA players who are not given a contract this season, that's another thing, the competition is getting in this struggling time.

Despite that, we hope to see a good season once the PBA season opens up.

We have 3 days before June 2021, isn't it the expected month of the opening of the new season?

I wish there would be no more problem and they will commence according to their plan.

There should be no more problem, the vaccine is already rolled out and I guess these players will already get vaccinated before the season will start. SMB teams can handle all the vaccines if they want as they are a rich team, and since it's a bubble, they are making it safer for everyone.

How about MVP, they are also rich like the SMB group, they can help procure vaccines for the players and staff. There's no news regarding that now, maybe they don't want to make it public, but it's not the most interesting, what's interesting is to know about the details of the season start.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on May 27, 2021, 04:09:35 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on May 27, 2021, 06:47:11 AM

With the number of veterans who retired in the last 2 years, that is not normal, the pandemic was really a big factor in their decision. Also, we know that there are some PBA players who are not given a contract this season, that's another thing, the competition is getting in this struggling time.

Despite that, we hope to see a good season once the PBA season opens up.

We have 3 days before June 2021, isn't it the expected month of the opening of the new season?

I wish there would be no more problem and they will commence according to their plan.

There should be no more problem, the vaccine is already rolled out and I guess these players will already get vaccinated before the season will start. SMB teams can handle all the vaccines if they want as they are a rich team, and since it's a bubble, they are making it safer for everyone.

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