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Quote from: blockman on June 08, 2021, 06:42:58 PM

Kiefer understands the situation, he knows he can't anymore expect that he can play with Japan's B League.

Kiefer practices with NLEX on supposed day of Shiga prescon

If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

He is only 27 years old, there are still more years for him if he keeps himself healthy.

I've thought of the positive side that he's going to be easily be given the pass to go abroad already. But if this is the case that he has to face then he has to accept whatever the decisions will be. But I know that if the Shiga really is pursuing him, the PBA cannot do anything about it but have negotiations. Although it looks like there is no news about it or if there is, they won't really let the public know until things are done, finished and final. Well, still wishing him the best of his career, abroad or in PBA.

It's better to keep silence while working on it, the media are just making it worse for him, if there's still negotiations then it's best not to publicly announce the process,

but if there's nothing to work out it's best for him to accept it, beside he still under the contract and the right for keeping him inside the league still in the side fo PBA and his franchise,

He needed to wait for the contract to expire and he's free to whatever he wish to do after, take this as a good challenge to prove his worth for sure more offer will send out chasing for him to play outside the country.

It will take a while before he can play with the Shiga Lakestars because his contract will expire on September 2023, and we don't know what would happen that time, there must be some big changes as no team could wait that long period of time for a certain player.

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In September 2020, Ravena has signed a three-year extension to his contract with NLEX.[82]

The Shiga Lakestars of Japan's B. League has announced on June 2, 2021 that they have signed in Ravena as their Asian import

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiefer_Ravena

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Kiefer understands the situation, he knows he can't anymore expect that he can play with Japan's B League.

Kiefer practices with NLEX on supposed day of Shiga prescon

If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

He is only 27 years old, there are still more years for him if he keeps himself healthy.

I've thought of the positive side that he's going to be easily be given the pass to go abroad already. But if this is the case that he has to face then he has to accept whatever the decisions will be. But I know that if the Shiga really is pursuing him, the PBA cannot do anything about it but have negotiations. Although it looks like there is no news about it or if there is, they won't really let the public know until things are done, finished and final. Well, still wishing him the best of his career, abroad or in PBA.

It's better to keep silence while working on it, the media are just making it worse for him, if there's still negotiations then it's best not to publicly announce the process,

but if there's nothing to work out it's best for him to accept it, beside he still under the contract and the right for keeping him inside the league still in the side fo PBA and his franchise,

He needed to wait for the contract to expire and he's free to whatever he wish to do after, take this as a good challenge to prove his worth for sure more offer will send out chasing for him to play outside the country.

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They are not giving up Kiefer's dream.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/kiefer-handler-on-pba-issue-hopefully-there-are-compromises-a793-20210608?ref=feed_1_section

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Kiefer handler on PBA issue: ‘Hopefully, there are compromises’

THE sports management agency that handles Kiefer Ravena hopes to find a middle ground between the PBA and the star player, whose bid to play in the Japan B. League was stymied by the league Board due to a live contract with NLEX.

Ilocos Norte Governor Matthew Manotoc, part owner of the Espiritu-Manotoc Basketball Management (EMBM) along with Marvin Espiritu, is keeping his fingers crossed the top brass of Asia’s pioneering pro league will keep an open mind about the latest issue.

“Hopefully, there are compromises and concessions that can be made sa mga players natin,” said the 32-year-old public official upon gracing Tuesday the online edition of the Philippine Sportswriters Association (PSA) Forum.

Let's see how this will end, or did the PBA management already end it, and their decision is final?

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 07, 2021, 05:28:22 PM

Kiefer understands the situation, he knows he can't anymore expect that he can play with Japan's B League.

Kiefer practices with NLEX on supposed day of Shiga prescon

If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

He is only 27 years old, there are still more years for him if he keeps himself healthy.

I've thought of the positive side that he's going to be easily be given the pass to go abroad already. But if this is the case that he has to face then he has to accept whatever the decisions will be. But I know that if the Shiga really is pursuing him, the PBA cannot do anything about it but have negotiations. Although it looks like there is no news about it or if there is, they won't really let the public know until things are done, finished and final. Well, still wishing him the best of his career, abroad or in PBA.

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If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

San Miguel Corporation is waiting at him. No need to go abroad.

Contract Salary + Playoffs Salary + Championship Salary + Under the table Salary are all the perks a player can get as part of SMC team. No need to play alongside other nationalities, away from family, away from friends. Just check at how much Scottie Thompson's perks last year when they won a championship. He's not even the Finals MVP on that series.

Kiefer just need to give reason for the SMC to get him soon. No doubt that SMC has the biggest and competitive offers in the league that makes them the biggest franchise in the PBA that can matched an offer to other leagues outside the country.

If all the star players of a specific team will go to the SMB, that would make the PBA boring. There should be a balance and I don't like it when players just always think of money trying to play to the super team as that will leave other teams to be a shittty team.

What would happen is that there will only be 3 to 4 teams in the PBA that has a legit chance of winning the championship.

I guess it's time for the PBA to allow more teams to be part of the league.

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If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

San Miguel Corporation is waiting at him. No need to go abroad.

Contract Salary + Playoffs Salary + Championship Salary + Under the table Salary are all the perks a player can get as part of SMC team. No need to play alongside other nationalities, away from family, away from friends. Just check at how much Scottie Thompson's perks last year when they won a championship. He's not even the Finals MVP on that series.

Kiefer just need to give reason for the SMC to get him soon. No doubt that SMC has the biggest and competitive offers in the league that makes them the biggest franchise in the PBA that can matched an offer to other leagues outside the country.

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Kiefer understands the situation, he knows he can't anymore expect that he can play with Japan's B League.

Kiefer practices with NLEX on supposed day of Shiga prescon

For now, since the issue was sensitive and to prevent a much-complicated thing, the best thing to do for Kiefer Ravena is to comply with the contract.

While in the process, consult an appropriate individual to help him what to do legally. PBA will sure won't bother if Kiefer really decides to play overseas as long as there's no legal problem and breaching of contract.

Although only a few players are given an offer to play abroad, signing with another team overseas while having a commitment in the PBA is just encouraging an unprofessional act for the players and might follow the same. PBA is not a barangay-level league that players can just decide what they want while under contract. Kiefer knows the contract, reads it, understands it, accepted the agreement, then signed it.

Don't worry. Soon we will see Kiefer playing overseas once the issue got resolved.

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Kiefer understands the situation, he knows he can't anymore expect that he can play with Japan's B League.

Kiefer practices with NLEX on supposed day of Shiga prescon

If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

He is only 27 years old, there are still more years for him if he keeps himself healthy.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on June 06, 2021, 01:14:38 PM

PBA board rejects Kiefer Ravena bid to play in Japan league

As I mentioned on the previous page, the legal basis is the question here. Obviously, it also includes Kiefer's commitment to the PBA and not just because NLEX allows it.

I guess if only Kiefer does some official talks with the PBA boards prior to signing to Japan B League, he will be allowed. I don't think PBA boards will change their mind unless Kiefer will talk to the boards officially to fix "legal" things.

I think they will change their minds. Now that the PBA is pushing this with the B League and its team Shiga Lake Stars, for sure that there will be some ammendments and recommendations that will done and the new signing team of Kiefer will help him to get him on board and would probably follow the protocols and process that must be done so that he'll be cleared. Only if they really want to take Kiefer on their board then they should also help him with the process following what's on his former contract and what are the rules indicated there and what shall be the punishment or penalties if the signee will violate or void the contract.

Change by increasing the salary, if they would give a competitive salary, there's no reason for a PBA player to dream of playing abroad, their only ultimate dream is to play with the NBA if they have the skills. Kiefer surely is disappointed with this, he knows that he is still contract but he might not expect that the PBA will hinder his dream to grow.

Well, that won't happen unless you've proven a lot of things and with Kiefer, he's still far from that demand of increasing his salary not unless the management will have that concern raised and answer it with that call. But even if they're going to increase his salary just to stay if Kiefer really wants to go offshore and play for another team, they cannot do anything with it as he's already decided and seems happy with his statement that he's going on Japan. Even I, I'll choose to go abroad as you're going to be locked in PBA with the same process again and again. And on the side of Kiefer, he still get back and be welcomed again by NLEX or any interested team in PBA once his contract expires. This is just assuming that he got already the pass to go abroad.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 06, 2021, 08:50:29 AM

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Good if that would happen but I doubt it will be able to compete with the salary of players in Japan, I mean, they a progressive country so it's normal that the salary is lower compared to them, that's simple logic. That's why PBA just strengthens their implementation of rules so players will stay once they are still in contract.

That's right! compared how big the economy of japan it's not that hard to understand why they can offer that high compensation,

the case of Kiefer is simply an issue of lacking in personal respect, before he signed that contract or communicating to any agent outside.
he should pay attention to the organization, asking permission to the board of governors should be done beforehand,

There's no problem if he ask for permission first before decisioning as there's a legal matter while he's inside the contract.

That could be the problem, he did not communicate to the team before communicating with the team he is supposed to play abroad, so everything is complicated now and his dream is might be delayed a bit. If Shiga Lakestars could wait, then they can have Kiefer after his contract ends, but if he will do better, he might also get a better contract and that might change his mind and stay at home.

In short, a lot of things could happen that will impact the decision of both organizations in the future and Kiefer himself.

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Good if that would happen but I doubt it will be able to compete with the salary of players in Japan, I mean, they a progressive country so it's normal that the salary is lower compared to them, that's simple logic. That's why PBA just strengthens their implementation of rules so players will stay once they are still in contract.

That's right! compared how big the economy of japan it's not that hard to understand why they can offer that high compensation,

the case of Kiefer is simply an issue of lacking in personal respect, before he signed that contract or communicating to any agent outside.
he should pay attention to the organization, asking permission to the board of governors should be done beforehand,

There's no problem if he ask for permission first before decisioning as there's a legal matter while he's inside the contract.

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PBA board rejects Kiefer Ravena bid to play in Japan league

As I mentioned on the previous page, the legal basis is the question here. Obviously, it also includes Kiefer's commitment to the PBA and not just because NLEX allows it.

I guess if only Kiefer does some official talks with the PBA boards prior to signing to Japan B League, he will be allowed. I don't think PBA boards will change their mind unless Kiefer will talk to the boards officially to fix "legal" things.

I think they will change their minds. Now that the PBA is pushing this with the B League and its team Shiga Lake Stars, for sure that there will be some ammendments and recommendations that will done and the new signing team of Kiefer will help him to get him on board and would probably follow the protocols and process that must be done so that he'll be cleared. Only if they really want to take Kiefer on their board then they should also help him with the process following what's on his former contract and what are the rules indicated there and what shall be the punishment or penalties if the signee will violate or void the contract.

Change by increasing the salary, if they would give a competitive salary, there's no reason for a PBA player to dream of playing abroad, their only ultimate dream is to play with the NBA if they have the skills. Kiefer surely is disappointed with this, he knows that he is still contract but he might not expect that the PBA will hinder his dream to grow.

Good if that would happen but I doubt it will be able to compete with the salary of players in Japan, I mean, they a progressive country so it's normal that the salary is lower compared to them, that's simple logic. That's why PBA just strengthens their implementation of rules so players will stay once they are still in contract.

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PBA board rejects Kiefer Ravena bid to play in Japan league

As I mentioned on the previous page, the legal basis is the question here. Obviously, it also includes Kiefer's commitment to the PBA and not just because NLEX allows it.

I guess if only Kiefer does some official talks with the PBA boards prior to signing to Japan B League, he will be allowed. I don't think PBA boards will change their mind unless Kiefer will talk to the boards officially to fix "legal" things.

I think they will change their minds. Now that the PBA is pushing this with the B League and its team Shiga Lake Stars, for sure that there will be some ammendments and recommendations that will done and the new signing team of Kiefer will help him to get him on board and would probably follow the protocols and process that must be done so that he'll be cleared. Only if they really want to take Kiefer on their board then they should also help him with the process following what's on his former contract and what are the rules indicated there and what shall be the punishment or penalties if the signee will violate or void the contract.

Change by increasing the salary, if they would give a competitive salary, there's no reason for a PBA player to dream of playing abroad, their only ultimate dream is to play with the NBA if they have the skills. Kiefer surely is disappointed with this, he knows that he is still contract but he might not expect that the PBA will hinder his dream to grow.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 04, 2021, 04:56:17 PM

PBA board rejects Kiefer Ravena bid to play in Japan league

As I mentioned on the previous page, the legal basis is the question here. Obviously, it also includes Kiefer's commitment to the PBA and not just because NLEX allows it.

I guess if only Kiefer does some official talks with the PBA boards prior to signing to Japan B League, he will be allowed. I don't think PBA boards will change their mind unless Kiefer will talk to the boards officially to fix "legal" things.

I think they will change their minds. Now that the PBA is pushing this with the B League and its team Shiga Lake Stars, for sure that there will be some ammendments and recommendations that will done and the new signing team of Kiefer will help him to get him on board and would probably follow the protocols and process that must be done so that he'll be cleared. Only if they really want to take Kiefer on their board then they should also help him with the process following what's on his former contract and what are the rules indicated there and what shall be the punishment or penalties if the signee will violate or void the contract.

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Kiefer's dream is not gonna happen now that the PBA has officially talk to the B league that he can't play since he is still under contract.

PBA opens communication with B.League, makes position on Kiefer case official

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THE PBA formally wrote a letter to the Japan B.League, explaining the circumstances on why Kiefer Ravena is ineligible to play for the Shiga Lakestars.

League chairman Ricky Vargas said the official letter was sent on Saturday and addressed to B.League President Shinji Shimada.

It contained first and foremost about Ravena having a live contract with NLEX, and therefore, cannot play at the same time with the Lakestars.

Goodbye to his dream, or he has to wait until the contract expires, my concern now is, will we still see the same Kiefer when the season begins?

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on June 04, 2021, 10:08:39 AM

Question is, is Kiefer already out in this coming bubble?

There's no reason for him to play in the bubble as he was reported to have signed a contract already with Shiga Lakestars, a Japan ball club. His focus is not anymore in the PBA, why would give a man a chance to play when he cannot give his full focus, it would only make the team suffer since he is the star player of the team.

You have a point, but what if the team or the management will not allow him to sign to another league because he is still under contract and will face a problem if he breaches the contract? PBA might send some warning and players cannot easily leave the PBA, you know, this PBA is still control by the big teams and they can manipulate it, just saying.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 05, 2021, 07:41:43 AM

PBA board rejects Kiefer Ravena bid to play in Japan league

As I mentioned on the previous page, the legal basis is the question here. Obviously, it also includes Kiefer's commitment to the PBA and not just because NLEX allows it.

I guess if only Kiefer does some official talks with the PBA boards prior to signing to Japan B League, he will be allowed. I don't think PBA boards will change their mind unless Kiefer will talk to the boards officially to fix "legal" things.

I just don't know what's on the mind of Keifer Ravena but it a no-brainer that if you signed a contract, you must honor it otherwise it's a breach and I guess they know that already. Seems like they are toying with the PBA commissioner's office here.

Definitely agree with you that if only representative of Kiefer Ravena have talked to the commissioner then their would be no problem such as this will arise.

Looks like Team Keifer will pass the blame to the PBA if ever he could not play in Japan.

There's no reason to blame if he is professional, there's a contract, as you said he has to honor it, he will choose not to play and pay what is necessary as long as there's no criminal liability, and his dreams will still come into reality.

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