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Quote from: Kasabus on June 11, 2021, 09:02:22 AM

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We will see the next page of this story after Ravena's contracts expired, let see if how interested he is playing along side with his bro!

The contract will not expire soon, there's a lot of games he will have to play before it's over and who knows if that time will come and the B league will not anymore interested in him. They want it now and waiting for 1 to 2 years before they can have an age Ravena is not really a good choice IMO.

Well, maybe he just has to accept that he will only stay in the PBA unless the PBA will allow a buy out of contract which for sure they will not give a chance to happen.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-says-no-to-buyout-of-kiefer-ravena-s-contract-with-nlex-a795-20210605

That's really what he needs to do and we fans have to accept. There's no more other Ravena that's going on B League until his contract settles and expires. Shiga having the choice to buy out his contract but that would be a big amount for them as an investment for just taking Kiefer. Will they do that? we don't know. Speaking of Ravena, how about his brother Thirdy Ravena? is he still going to play with any team or his former team in B League? I haven't read any news about him renewing his contract or maybe is that I'm not very much updated on his career run in Japan.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 11, 2021, 01:44:16 PM

Quote from: Kasabus on June 11, 2021, 09:02:22 AM

Well, maybe he just has to accept that he will only stay in the PBA unless the PBA will allow a buy out of contract which for sure they will not give a chance to happen.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-says-no-to-buyout-of-kiefer-ravena-s-contract-with-nlex-a795-20210605

If that workable Shiga have all the capabilities to buy that contract, but like what you've said it's not possible or PBA won't allow it to happened. They wanted Kiefer to stay as what the contract tied him to this league, really not getting any favorable sides knowing that
it's a good opportunities for fellow kabayan.

PBA needs to protect their business, if they'll give this go signal they'll need to make sure that they are willing to lose many stars that may receive same offer from other leagues outside of the county.

They can buy out the contract if PBA will allow, that's easy for them as it will just be deducted from Kiefer's contract, but of course, PBA is thinking of the future effect because it will not be Kiefer who is the one to do it, other PBA stars might follow him as they always want to enjoy a bigger salary, so it's a no for the PBA, they won't allow it to happen.

Maybe if it's the NBA, they would not hesitate as they will be so proud, you know what I'm saying.

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Quote from: Kasabus on June 11, 2021, 09:02:22 AM

Well, maybe he just has to accept that he will only stay in the PBA unless the PBA will allow a buy out of contract which for sure they will not give a chance to happen.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-says-no-to-buyout-of-kiefer-ravena-s-contract-with-nlex-a795-20210605

If that workable Shiga have all the capabilities to buy that contract, but like what you've said it's not possible or PBA won't allow it to happened. They wanted Kiefer to stay as what the contract tied him to this league, really not getting any favorable sides knowing that
it's a good opportunities for fellow kabayan.

PBA needs to protect their business, if they'll give this go signal they'll need to make sure that they are willing to lose many stars that may receive same offer from other leagues outside of the county.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on June 11, 2021, 08:40:52 AM

We will see the next page of this story after Ravena's contracts expired, let see if how interested he is playing along side with his bro!

The contract will not expire soon, there's a lot of games he will have to play before it's over and who knows if that time will come and the B league will not anymore interested in him. They want it now and waiting for 1 to 2 years before they can have an age Ravena is not really a good choice IMO.

Well, maybe he just has to accept that he will only stay in the PBA unless the PBA will allow a buy out of contract which for sure they will not give a chance to happen.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-says-no-to-buyout-of-kiefer-ravena-s-contract-with-nlex-a795-20210605

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This could jeopardize the league since japan is so active taking some good players around the globe just to boost up their market and the popularity of their league.

And the league would not allow that, that's why they are so strict because they really don't give a big salary so the star players will just stay. Living in the Philippines is really good but if a player is seeking bigger pay, they could have to sacrifice all that for bigger dreams.

Yeah thats why they made a decision not to allow Ravena since they now this could possibly start their problem since this could make the fans turn off for seeing him leaving the league. PBA now is kinds boring so if one of their star left they might get less viewer compared seeing him doing some good competitive basketball to other team in the league. Maybe Ravena should try again once his contrsct expires.

Good point, it will open up the opportunities for other superstar to consider such offer,
Japan have a good economy it's very easy for them to sign a good player all around the world.

PBA can do nothing if a certain players who already have an expired contract consider the offer,
If they allow Ravena then it will start the chase from other teams who also have the same interest for Pinoy stars.

We will see the next page of this story after Ravena's contracts expired, let see if how interested he is playing along side with his bro!

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Quote from: Vaculin on June 11, 2021, 06:49:10 AM

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This could jeopardize the league since japan is so active taking some good players around the globe just to boost up their market and the popularity of their league.

And the league would not allow that, that's why they are so strict because they really don't give a big salary so the star players will just stay. Living in the Philippines is really good but if a player is seeking bigger pay, they could have to sacrifice all that for bigger dreams.

Yeah thats why they made a decision not to allow Ravena since they now this could possibly start their problem since this could make the fans turn off for seeing him leaving the league. PBA now is kinds boring so if one of their star left they might get less viewer compared seeing him doing some good competitive basketball to other team in the league. Maybe Ravena should try again once his contrsct expires.

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Quote from: ultrloa on June 11, 2021, 05:16:38 AM

This could jeopardize the league since japan is so active taking some good players around the globe just to boost up their market and the popularity of their league.

And the league would not allow that, that's why they are so strict because they really don't give a big salary so the star players will just stay. Living in the Philippines is really good but if a player is seeking bigger pay, they could have to sacrifice all that for bigger dreams.

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I'm not against what you said but this makes the league boring like for real.
Certain teams getting superstars and letting those lower teams to just use whatever players they have. These companies are just milking those other teams and they will just get any player they want to get and then they will trade players who aren't equal to the superstar that they got.

It would be better if Kiefer will just stay on NLEX or just play abroad and no need to go to SMC.

That's the reality. The reason is, other teams don't have the capability to offer big.

Any team can get a superstar if they want but the problem is financial. SMC is the only team that capable to offer a good contract to any player.

See what happened to Calvin Abueva during the off-season? He even didn't voice out that he wants to play at SMC company but since his former team can't afford the contract, they trade him.

Kiefer will leave NLEX soon even there's no plan of playing abroad. I'm sure of that.

Well, I guess that is how the league works right now. You have more money = you have more power to get superstars at your own will.
This is why people are getting bored watching it already but there is nothing we can do about it but to just accept it.

Well, I might agree to the fact that Kiefer will really play abroad because of the experience that he can get in it. Give him few years to play abroad and he will be better than he is right now Cheesy

. Now regarding Abueva, didn't expect him to go to SMC though but... yeah it is what is. They have power to get superstars that is why they will get it Cheesy

. Aside from SMC, even MVP is capable of signing offering good contracts to superstars. Its just that SMC has more superstars than them Cheesy

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PBA controls the players after all, though they are playing by the contract but there's still a big politics on PBA that makes it more boring. SMC have so many great players and I don't know what's the rule of PBA here but it's true that if you have the money, you can get anyone. On the Kiefer case, I'd rather leave the NLEX right away and go for Abroad just like Thirdy. Also, I don't like the rules of PBA on draft system because they are forcing the players to play on PBA and if you didn't participate, you'll be ban. Cheesy

They don't want to lose their assets its business for them and also they are worried since if they let Kiefer take his contract then play in japan for sure the other star players in PBA will also get an interest to play especially if the salary their is so big compare to the salary they get on PBA.

This could jeopardize the league since japan is so active taking some good players around the globe just to boost up their market and the popularity of their league.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 10, 2021, 09:58:14 PM

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I'm not against what you said but this makes the league boring like for real.
Certain teams getting superstars and letting those lower teams to just use whatever players they have. These companies are just milking those other teams and they will just get any player they want to get and then they will trade players who aren't equal to the superstar that they got.

It would be better if Kiefer will just stay on NLEX or just play abroad and no need to go to SMC.

That's the reality. The reason is, other teams don't have the capability to offer big.

Any team can get a superstar if they want but the problem is financial. SMC is the only team that capable to offer a good contract to any player.

See what happened to Calvin Abueva during the off-season? He even didn't voice out that he wants to play at SMC company but since his former team can't afford the contract, they trade him.

Kiefer will leave NLEX soon even there's no plan of playing abroad. I'm sure of that.

Well, I guess that is how the league works right now. You have more money = you have more power to get superstars at your own will.
This is why people are getting bored watching it already but there is nothing we can do about it but to just accept it.

Well, I might agree to the fact that Kiefer will really play abroad because of the experience that he can get in it. Give him few years to play abroad and he will be better than he is right now Cheesy

. Now regarding Abueva, didn't expect him to go to SMC though but... yeah it is what is. They have power to get superstars that is why they will get it Cheesy

. Aside from SMC, even MVP is capable of signing offering good contracts to superstars. Its just that SMC has more superstars than them Cheesy

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 10, 2021, 05:19:50 AM

I'm not against what you said but this makes the league boring like for real.
Certain teams getting superstars and letting those lower teams to just use whatever players they have. These companies are just milking those other teams and they will just get any player they want to get and then they will trade players who aren't equal to the superstar that they got.

It would be better if Kiefer will just stay on NLEX or just play abroad and no need to go to SMC.

That's the reality. The reason is, other teams don't have the capability to offer big.

Any team can get a superstar if they want but the problem is financial. SMC is the only team that capable to offer a good contract to any player.

See what happened to Calvin Abueva during the off-season? He even didn't voice out that he wants to play at SMC company but since his former team can't afford the contract, they trade him.

Kiefer will leave NLEX soon even there's no plan of playing abroad. I'm sure of that.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 10, 2021, 01:32:12 PM

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I would assume now that it's best for him to accept the fact that he's not going outside the league until his contract expires. Then, he has to honor his contract and whenever it expires and done then that's the time that he can go abroad and play for Shiga or any team that wishes to play with him. I'm sure that he's going to love every single thing of the process and that's going to make it worth it of his journey. He's too close for it and he just needs to wait his contract finishes.

No other way but to accept his fate, proving something will add up to his value, if there's nothing left in terms of playing to Shiga,

take this opportunities to let them see his worth.

It's best for Keifer to show what he really capable with, from that point, scouts from Shiga league will see him and chance of having much higher offers may take place.

For now, playing and bringing out the best from him will serves as key factors to achieved his goals.

He's just going to keep going on and move forward no matter what happens with the contract. But at the end of it, there's no need for him to be pushy if the decision is final and his contract should be finish first. I hope that there won't be any issue if his contract finally's done.
And Shiga is willing to wait for him to take on board, that's going to be a good collaboration of him and the team's management because they've waited for him at the right time.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 10, 2021, 01:32:12 PM

It's best for Keifer to show what he really capable with, from that point, scouts from Shiga league will see him and chance of having much higher offers may take place.

For now, playing and bringing out the best from him will serves as key factors to achieved his goals.

They've seen enough from him, at the present team, they'll never win a championship, so the amount of offer will stay the same unless he will depreciate as a player. He has to finish the contract, have an agreement with Shiga so he can play after the contract expires.

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Kiefer understands the situation, he knows he can't anymore expect that he can play with Japan's B League.

Kiefer practices with NLEX on supposed day of Shiga prescon

If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

He is only 27 years old, there are still more years for him if he keeps himself healthy.

I've thought of the positive side that he's going to be easily be given the pass to go abroad already. But if this is the case that he has to face then he has to accept whatever the decisions will be. But I know that if the Shiga really is pursuing him, the PBA cannot do anything about it but have negotiations. Although it looks like there is no news about it or if there is, they won't really let the public know until things are done, finished and final. Well, still wishing him the best of his career, abroad or in PBA.

It's better to keep silence while working on it, the media are just making it worse for him, if there's still negotiations then it's best not to publicly announce the process,

but if there's nothing to work out it's best for him to accept it, beside he still under the contract and the right for keeping him inside the league still in the side fo PBA and his franchise,

He needed to wait for the contract to expire and he's free to whatever he wish to do after, take this as a good challenge to prove his worth for sure more offer will send out chasing for him to play outside the country.

I would assume now that it's best for him to accept the fact that he's not going outside the league until his contract expires. Then, he has to honor his contract and whenever it expires and done then that's the time that he can go abroad and play for Shiga or any team that wishes to play with him. I'm sure that he's going to love every single thing of the process and that's going to make it worth it of his journey. He's too close for it and he just needs to wait his contract finishes.

No other way but to accept his fate, proving something will add up to his value, if there's nothing left in terms of playing to Shiga,

take this opportunities to let them see his worth.

It's best for Keifer to show what he really capable with, from that point, scouts from Shiga league will see him and chance of having much higher offers may take place.

For now, playing and bringing out the best from him will serves as key factors to achieved his goals.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 09, 2021, 10:34:16 AM

Quote from: blockman on June 08, 2021, 06:42:58 PM

Quote from: Viscore on June 07, 2021, 04:09:19 PM

Kiefer understands the situation, he knows he can't anymore expect that he can play with Japan's B League.

Kiefer practices with NLEX on supposed day of Shiga prescon

If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

He is only 27 years old, there are still more years for him if he keeps himself healthy.

I've thought of the positive side that he's going to be easily be given the pass to go abroad already. But if this is the case that he has to face then he has to accept whatever the decisions will be. But I know that if the Shiga really is pursuing him, the PBA cannot do anything about it but have negotiations. Although it looks like there is no news about it or if there is, they won't really let the public know until things are done, finished and final. Well, still wishing him the best of his career, abroad or in PBA.

It's better to keep silence while working on it, the media are just making it worse for him, if there's still negotiations then it's best not to publicly announce the process,

but if there's nothing to work out it's best for him to accept it, beside he still under the contract and the right for keeping him inside the league still in the side fo PBA and his franchise,

He needed to wait for the contract to expire and he's free to whatever he wish to do after, take this as a good challenge to prove his worth for sure more offer will send out chasing for him to play outside the country.

I would assume now that it's best for him to accept the fact that he's not going outside the league until his contract expires. Then, he has to honor his contract and whenever it expires and done then that's the time that he can go abroad and play for Shiga or any team that wishes to play with him. I'm sure that he's going to love every single thing of the process and that's going to make it worth it of his journey. He's too close for it and he just needs to wait his contract finishes.

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Anyone got news on when the 46th season starts? It's already mid-June, last time I know is that they will open by June 15.

I think that the schedule will be delayed, if they wish to start this month, they should have already made an announcement this month. Maybe the PBA will start next month as they already started their training, they want to make sure that the bubble is still a success.

We might not see them commence this month.

as per this news, PBA delays opening, but plans to start 'as soon as possible'

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The extension of the ECQ has greatly affected sports leagues once again, with the PVL looking to discuss its options, while the Philippines Football League (PFL) has already cancelled the Copa Paulino Alcantara that was set to start this month.

Instead, the PFL will kick off in July.

part of the article and it's likely the same with the PFL scenario.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 10, 2021, 05:53:23 AM

Anyone got news on when the 46th season starts? It's already mid-June, last time I know is that they will open by June 15.

I think that the schedule will be delayed, if they wish to start this month, they should have already made an announcement this month. Maybe the PBA will start next month as they already started their training, they want to make sure that the bubble is still a success.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 09, 2021, 04:01:21 PM

They are for compromise, which means they did not respect the statement of the PBA, Kiefer wants to get out of the PBA and play abroad, if this will be approved, I doubt Kiefer could still come back in the PBA. His brother certainly has influenced him a lot, I can only see one reason, it's the finances as this league offers bigger salaries compared to the PBA, and his handler could also make more so he is pushing this to happen.

I agree, it is already clear that the PBA board does not allow Keifer Ravena to play in Japan because of contract issues. It's just that the people behind this are not respecting the PBA anymore. It could be the money that influences Ravena's decision to play abroad but the uncertainty of him playing for a long time in Japan as an import is high as competition is tight. Maybe there are other motives why they are doing this.

Anyone got news on when the 46th season starts? It's already mid-June, last time I know is that they will open by June 15.

The salary offered by Japanese league is so huge thats why he's tempted to grab the offer, I hope Kiefer will do the right decision since if he push to go to Japan without having a clearance to PBA management for sure he will get a problem to go back if he's contract expires in Japan. Maybe for now he should focus to finish it to avoid any conflict since this will be a bad decision on his life if he didn't follow what's written on his current contract with Nlex.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 09, 2021, 04:01:21 PM

They are for compromise, which means they did not respect the statement of the PBA, Kiefer wants to get out of the PBA and play abroad, if this will be approved, I doubt Kiefer could still come back in the PBA. His brother certainly has influenced him a lot, I can only see one reason, it's the finances as this league offers bigger salaries compared to the PBA, and his handler could also make more so he is pushing this to happen.

I agree, it is already clear that the PBA board does not allow Keifer Ravena to play in Japan because of contract issues. It's just that the people behind this are not respecting the PBA anymore. It could be the money that influences Ravena's decision to play abroad but the uncertainty of him playing for a long time in Japan as an import is high as competition is tight. Maybe there are other motives why they are doing this.

Anyone got news on when the 46th season starts? It's already mid-June, last time I know is that they will open by June 15.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 07, 2021, 05:28:22 PM

Quote from: Viscore on June 07, 2021, 04:09:19 PM

If I were Kiefer, he should consider this as a challenge, he will work more, improve his game and help the team to succeed this season. With a success, he is building his resume properly, and who knows in the future, there will be more teams that will be interested in him and he will receive more offers.

San Miguel Corporation is waiting at him. No need to go abroad.

Contract Salary + Playoffs Salary + Championship Salary + Under the table Salary are all the perks a player can get as part of SMC team. No need to play alongside other nationalities, away from family, away from friends. Just check at how much Scottie Thompson's perks last year when they won a championship. He's not even the Finals MVP on that series.

Kiefer just need to give reason for the SMC to get him soon. No doubt that SMC has the biggest and competitive offers in the league that makes them the biggest franchise in the PBA that can matched an offer to other leagues outside the country.

I'm not against what you said but this makes the league boring like for real.
Certain teams getting superstars and letting those lower teams to just use whatever players they have. These companies are just milking those other teams and they will just get any player they want to get and then they will trade players who aren't equal to the superstar that they got.

It would be better if Kiefer will just stay on NLEX or just play abroad and no need to go to SMC.

Quote from: Sanitough on June 08, 2021, 04:45:13 PM

What would happen is that there will only be 3 to 4 teams in the PBA that has a legit chance of winning the championship.

I guess it's time for the PBA to allow more teams to be part of the league.

For the past decade, we only saw a few teams that are competing in the Finals. Only SMB, Ginebra and TNT are the ones who are competing and other teams?? They will just fall down and will wait for another conference which is quite frustrating because the competition of the league is slowly disappearing because of this. This is also the reason why the audiences aren't spending money to watch personally because at first glance, they can predict who will win. TBH, the league is boring already because of this.

Now with regards to more teams in the PBA, there are some companies who want to join in PBA like SM and Cebuana but these companies (SMC and MVP) are preventing it.

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They are for compromise, which means they did not respect the statement of the PBA, Kiefer wants to get out of the PBA and play abroad, if this will be approved, I doubt Kiefer could still come back in the PBA. His brother certainly has influenced him a lot, I can only see one reason, it's the finances as this league offers bigger salaries compared to the PBA, and his handler could also make more so he is pushing this to happen.

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