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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on June 04, 2021, 10:08:39 AM

Question is, is Kiefer already out in this coming bubble?

There's no reason for him to play in the bubble as he was reported to have signed a contract already with Shiga Lakestars, a Japan ball club. His focus is not anymore in the PBA, why would give a man a chance to play when he cannot give his full focus, it would only make the team suffer since he is the star player of the team.

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Quote from: Kasabus on June 04, 2021, 04:03:06 PM

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I don't have a source but usually, when a company or management gives the contract, they're the only one that voids it in any scenario that they want so I'm thinking that they'll do it for Kiefer and there will be no penalties will be given to Kiefer as they've given their support to him moving to Japan. So if NLEX gave a go signal, then he still has to face the PBA management. I don't know the actual process but hopefully both parties will give him the go signal.

Maybe they will let him go as it's not so detrimental to the team, since the coach gave a go signal, then the management should understand that NLEX has to rebuild, acquire more players that could make this team compete with big teams. First, it was Jericho Cruz playing abroad, now, Kiefer Ravena. They need to fill those lacking players.

But the situation of Jericho Cruz is different from Kiefer as Jericho has an intention to get back once his opportunity gets done. But yeah, they'll let him go unless the PBA management is too hard to Kiefer and they have that pride that they can't just let go a player that's hoping for a better opportunity that was offered to play for the other country on their very own league. It probably sucks on the side of PBA management to do that and see their players starting to have an idea that there's a better opportunity that can be grabbed by other players if there's an offer that comes to them.

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May I know the source of it that NLEX allows voiding the contract?

And as to my knowledge, it's not just about Kiefer/NLEX contract. There is also a part of the contract where involves PBA-NLEX-Kiefer. Commissioner Marcial will not just state an official statement about that issue if there's no violation on Kiefer's part.

I don't have a source but usually, when a company or management gives the contract, they're the only one that voids it in any scenario that they want so I'm thinking that they'll do it for Kiefer and there will be no penalties will be given to Kiefer as they've given their support to him moving to Japan. So if NLEX gave a go signal, then he still has to face the PBA management. I don't know the actual process but hopefully both parties will give him the go signal.

Maybe they will let him go as it's not so detrimental to the team, since the coach gave a go signal, then the management should understand that NLEX has to rebuild, acquire more players that could make this team compete with big teams. First, it was Jericho Cruz playing abroad, now, Kiefer Ravena. They need to fill those lacking players.

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Quote from: arwin100 on June 03, 2021, 04:50:40 PM

Unfortunately he doesn't have clearance yet as commissioner said he have a contract tied with Nlex so for that Kiefer will have a problem regarding on his arrival on japan. Lets just see if they can settle this discussion once they talk indoor with Ravena and PBA officials.

I do hope to see Ravena playing on Japan and he will face his younger brother on 1 game.

But the news that I've seen is that NLEX is giving a blessing to him to move forward to Japan with his new opportunity so, that probably means that he's fine with his termination contract on NLEX and it's probably going to be NLEX that shall void his contract with him. I don't know the actual process of it but it's usually the one who gave the contract can terminate it any time they wish to do.

Quote from: chaser15 on June 03, 2021, 05:46:15 PM

May I know the source of it that NLEX allows voiding the contract?

And as to my knowledge, it's not just about Kiefer/NLEX contract. There is also a part of the contract where involves PBA-NLEX-Kiefer. Commissioner Marcial will not just state an official statement about that issue if there's no violation on Kiefer's part.

I don't have a source but usually, when a company or management gives the contract, they're the only one that voids it in any scenario that they want so I'm thinking that they'll do it for Kiefer and there will be no penalties will be given to Kiefer as they've given their support to him moving to Japan. So if NLEX gave a go signal, then he still has to face the PBA management. I don't know the actual process but hopefully both parties will give him the go signal.

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Ravena could still lead the team, unfortunately, NLEX is not a strong team in the PBA and they are losing most of the time. He will have his break, being an import, he will work harder as he is paid better compared to his current team. I just wish him good luck and make the Filipino proud of him.

He can work it out since he does recieved decent compensation. Kiefer is still young and have a lots to offer, this exposures will lead him to more potentials, who knows what will happen after, he just need to work with his current team and complete their approval so he can fly to Japan and start his new career as Import.

Pinoy fans should take this as good opportunities for more pinoy players to compete outside the country, this two brothers open the doors for much bigger competitions to every pinoys.

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Quote from: Kasabus on June 04, 2021, 08:08:19 AM

The baby face assassin is back.

Larry Fonacier back for NLEX after skipping PBA bubble

Another veteran who is at the same age as Pingris, Fonacier being with the NLEX should improve the offense, his 3 point shooting is still very accurate so it's good news for the NLEX who will lose their star player Kiefer Ravena.

Fonacier is no longer the same, he's aging and with the type of how young players play the game I don't see any big impact after losing Ravena,

though it's good to see that he can still contribute especially with his shooting skills, even he's old the soft touch still there, never to leave him free as the basket always have high chance pocketing.

He is, I agree with that but he can still make some decent contribution for the team. I'm glad he is still playing and does not think of retiring like other veterans, a team like NLEX is struggling needs a veteran, and Fonacier should be vital for the team's success.

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Good to see this news after those old timers are already retired their jersey, welcome back Babyface assasin!

Yes, we should at least see something from him, he is off for a while but now back to help his team.

Question is, is Kiefer already out in this coming bubble?

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Quote from: Kasabus on June 04, 2021, 08:08:19 AM

The baby face assassin is back.

Larry Fonacier back for NLEX after skipping PBA bubble

Another veteran who is at the same age as Pingris, Fonacier being with the NLEX should improve the offense, his 3 point shooting is still very accurate so it's good news for the NLEX who will lose their star player Kiefer Ravena.

Fonacier is no longer the same, he's aging and with the type of how young players play the game I don't see any big impact after losing Ravena,

though it's good to see that he can still contribute especially with his shooting skills, even he's old the soft touch still there, never to leave him free as the basket always have high chance pocketing.

Good to see this news after those old timers are already retired their jersey, welcome back Babyface assasin!

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The baby face assassin is back.

Larry Fonacier back for NLEX after skipping PBA bubble

Another veteran who is at the same age as Pingris, Fonacier being with the NLEX should improve the offense, his 3 point shooting is still very accurate so it's good news for the NLEX who will lose their star player Kiefer Ravena.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 03, 2021, 06:10:35 PM

Sorry to everyone who believes that Kiefer Ravena is too skilled that's why he got an offer. Japan teams can easily recruit players with so much skill if they want.

Maybe he was being introduced by his brother itself as recommendation. And guess what, Japan teams can save more money if they will choose as a popular SouthEast Asian player in their respective country rather than picking foreign import players on the West. Also in terms of performance, PBA players is more skilled compare to Japan league so Kiefer is considered.

Since the contract is decent, Kiefer accepts it, who doesn't want that? I just hope he can fix those problems regarding his contract so he can play on Japan without problems left here in the PH.

Kiefer Ravena was a great player during his UAAP career but I see some slide on that when he enters PBA because that's a pro league already. Well its true that we are better than Japan based on the FIBA ranking but having an international exposure is a big thing for our local players. PBA should not be that strict and consider all the possible scenario, that contract can still be discussed especially if there's no competition right now in the Philippines.

Ravena could still lead the team, unfortunately, NLEX is not a strong team in the PBA and they are losing most of the time. He will have his break, being an import, he will work harder as he is paid better compared to his current team. I just wish him good luck and make the Filipino proud of him.

They didn't build a strong rooster the same on what SMB group, but its understandle since SMB is rich organization so they can afford more expensive high caliber player to be part on their teams. But I do really hope that he will be approve to go in japan since it will showcase the filipino talent in basketball world if they provide good numbers to make their team win.

Lets see if PBA officials will not became a villain on Kiefer's dream to japan.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 03, 2021, 06:10:35 PM

Sorry to everyone who believes that Kiefer Ravena is too skilled that's why he got an offer. Japan teams can easily recruit players with so much skill if they want.

Maybe he was being introduced by his brother itself as recommendation. And guess what, Japan teams can save more money if they will choose as a popular SouthEast Asian player in their respective country rather than picking foreign import players on the West. Also in terms of performance, PBA players is more skilled compare to Japan league so Kiefer is considered.

Since the contract is decent, Kiefer accepts it, who doesn't want that? I just hope he can fix those problems regarding his contract so he can play on Japan without problems left here in the PH.

Kiefer Ravena was a great player during his UAAP career but I see some slide on that when he enters PBA because that's a pro league already. Well its true that we are better than Japan based on the FIBA ranking but having an international exposure is a big thing for our local players. PBA should not be that strict and consider all the possible scenario, that contract can still be discussed especially if there's no competition right now in the Philippines.

Ravena could still lead the team, unfortunately, NLEX is not a strong team in the PBA and they are losing most of the time. He will have his break, being an import, he will work harder as he is paid better compared to his current team. I just wish him good luck and make the Filipino proud of him.

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Sorry to everyone who believes that Kiefer Ravena is too skilled that's why he got an offer. Japan teams can easily recruit players with so much skill if they want.

Maybe he was being introduced by his brother itself as recommendation. And guess what, Japan teams can save more money if they will choose as a popular SouthEast Asian player in their respective country rather than picking foreign import players on the West. Also in terms of performance, PBA players is more skilled compare to Japan league so Kiefer is considered.

Since the contract is decent, Kiefer accepts it, who doesn't want that? I just hope he can fix those problems regarding his contract so he can play on Japan without problems left here in the PH.

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Quote from: blockman on June 03, 2021, 02:54:20 PM

I think that before accepting the offer abroad, he knows the circle of his contract including the ins and outs of the PBA league/management. There's already a go signal from his team NLEX and I think they're going to be the ones to void the contract without any problem nor penalty will be imposed to Kiefer.

May I know the source of it that NLEX allows voiding the contract?

And as to my knowledge, it's not just about Kiefer/NLEX contract. There is also a part of the contract where involves PBA-NLEX-Kiefer. Commissioner Marcial will not just state an official statement about that issue if there's no violation on Kiefer's part.

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Quote from: blockman on June 03, 2021, 02:54:20 PM

Quote from: harizen on June 03, 2021, 09:25:11 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 02, 2021, 04:20:47 AM

Kiefer still has a contract with his mother team but the Shiga Lakestars can just buyout him

Let's quote it, "if allowed".

I disagree with these draft-dodging rules but in the case of Kiefer Ravena, he is under contract. Those things are sensitive and Kiefer should know the consequences. I don't see any problem if he talks about it first. Contracts are signed on a legal basis so it's not a thing that anyone can just ignore just to sign other contracts especially overseas.

I definitely want to see some Pinoy cagers doing some name in basketball overseas but the case of Kiefer Ravena is different. I hope he can settle things regarding his contract as showcasing their talents overseas is a good exposure of our local players to the world.

I think that before accepting the offer abroad, he knows the circle of his contract including the ins and outs of the PBA league/management. There's already a go signal from his team NLEX and I think they're going to be the ones to void the contract without any problem nor penalty will be imposed to Kiefer. They're supported as ever to their players that are taking opportunities elsewhere but it's that the management of PBA is the one that he has to face next. If his team will help him out and have that talks to PBA, he's for sure going to be spared.

Unfortunately he doesn't have clearance yet as commissioner said he have a contract tied with Nlex so for that Kiefer will have a problem regarding on his arrival on japan. Lets just see if they can settle this discussion once they talk indoor with Ravena and PBA officials.

I do hope to see Ravena playing on Japan and he will face his younger brother on 1 game.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 01, 2021, 11:31:44 PM

Speaking of Ravena brothers, we have some breaking news here!

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/31549892/kiefer-set-follow-thirdy-bleague-signs-shiga-lakestars

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NLEX guard Kiefer Ravena set to sign with Japan B.League's Shiga Lakestars

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Kiefer Ravena is close to joining brother Thirdy in Japan as the B.League's latest Asian Player Quota import for the Shiga Lakestars in the 2021-22 season, the team announced Wednesday.

How bad it has become for the PBA, their stars that make the league interesting are playing abroad as an import, more players will follow for sure.

Wow

it's more on the money side, Kiefer see the opportunities knowing that even he'll try his best here in our country the amount of salaries that will be
offer for him would not be the same with the amount of his brothers paycheck now,

I heard it before with Abueva, he mentioned amount that really hard to resist, but since PBA allow him to play back I guess he choose to stay.

Kiefer being practical, playing as import with high salary he's still young and always have space inside PBA he can give it a try and see the difference. GL

That's how the players should react in a situation because them being an athlete is not permanent, if they want to have a better future, they should grab a good contract so they can retire early if they want, it's true he is just being practical and I'm sure the PBA teams can offer a higher contract and this is a call for them to review the contract to prevent the players from going outside the Philippines just to play, it's an insult to them.

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Quote from: harizen on June 03, 2021, 09:25:11 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 02, 2021, 04:20:47 AM

Kiefer still has a contract with his mother team but the Shiga Lakestars can just buyout him

Let's quote it, "if allowed".

I disagree with these draft-dodging rules but in the case of Kiefer Ravena, he is under contract. Those things are sensitive and Kiefer should know the consequences. I don't see any problem if he talks about it first. Contracts are signed on a legal basis so it's not a thing that anyone can just ignore just to sign other contracts especially overseas.

I definitely want to see some Pinoy cagers doing some name in basketball overseas but the case of Kiefer Ravena is different. I hope he can settle things regarding his contract as showcasing their talents overseas is a good exposure of our local players to the world.

I think that before accepting the offer abroad, he knows the circle of his contract including the ins and outs of the PBA league/management. There's already a go signal from his team NLEX and I think they're going to be the ones to void the contract without any problem nor penalty will be imposed to Kiefer. They're supported as ever to their players that are taking opportunities elsewhere but it's that the management of PBA is the one that he has to face next. If his team will help him out and have that talks to PBA, he's for sure going to be spared.

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Quote from: harizen on June 03, 2021, 09:25:11 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 02, 2021, 04:20:47 AM

Kiefer still has a contract with his mother team but the Shiga Lakestars can just buyout him

Let's quote it, "if allowed".

I disagree with these draft-dodging rules but in the case of Kiefer Ravena, he is under contract. Those things are sensitive and Kiefer should know the consequences. I don't see any problem if he talks about it first. Contracts are signed on a legal basis so it's not a thing that anyone can just ignore just to sign other contracts especially overseas.

I definitely want to see some Pinoy cagers doing some name in basketball overseas but the case of Kiefer Ravena is different. I hope he can settle things regarding his contract as showcasing their talents overseas is a good exposure of our local players to the world.

Good point, Kiefer needs to work it out with the team owner before he can go ahead to this matter,
his under contract and that's sensitive if he'll go for this without any approval that's a legal case out there,

But for sure he understand this and before he'll do or take any actions about this concern he will discuss it with his camp and see all the legal process.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 02, 2021, 04:20:47 AM

Kiefer still has a contract with his mother team but the Shiga Lakestars can just buyout him

Let's quote it, "if allowed".

I disagree with these draft-dodging rules but in the case of Kiefer Ravena, he is under contract. Those things are sensitive and Kiefer should know the consequences. I don't see any problem if he talks about it first. Contracts are signed on a legal basis so it's not a thing that anyone can just ignore just to sign other contracts especially overseas.

I definitely want to see some Pinoy cagers doing some name in basketball overseas but the case of Kiefer Ravena is different. I hope he can settle things regarding his contract as showcasing their talents overseas is a good exposure of our local players to the world.

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Quote from: ultrloa on June 02, 2021, 06:58:03 PM

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These Ravena brothers might stay on the B League of Japan as they're going to be more recognized there and have a better basketball career.

Most probably as this league gives a better salary than the PBA, as rumor says, the salary of Thirdy Ravena is higher than the highest paid PBA player which is June Mar Fajardo, so Kiefer might just thinking of his better future.

Yeah and I see no problem Keifer accepting that sincr imagine he can also get an exposure overseas for sure its a big boost to his career. But the problem is the PBA doesn't give a clearance yet and if they don't want to retain their players maybe its time for them to give a more competitive salary since if they give low cuts to their players for sure Keifer is not the last player will be recruited to Japan or in other country.

It confuses us, it looks like Kiefer knows something because he already signs a contract while he is still under the contract of NLEX. If NLEX will make it hard for Kiefer, I don't know what will happen but sure Kiefer is willing to play abroad and will pay whatever penalty he will play just to clear his name.

I tell you, other players that have a star status might also be thinking of grabbing the same opportunity if there's an offer.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on June 02, 2021, 05:46:36 PM

Quote from: blockman on June 02, 2021, 05:38:00 PM

These Ravena brothers might stay on the B League of Japan as they're going to be more recognized there and have a better basketball career.

Most probably as this league gives a better salary than the PBA, as rumor says, the salary of Thirdy Ravena is higher than the highest paid PBA player which is June Mar Fajardo, so Kiefer might just thinking of his better future.

Yeah and I see no problem Keifer accepting that sincr imagine he can also get an exposure overseas for sure its a big boost to his career. But the problem is the PBA doesn't give a clearance yet and if they don't want to retain their players maybe its time for them to give a more competitive salary since if they give low cuts to their players for sure Keifer is not the last player will be recruited to Japan or in other country.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on June 02, 2021, 05:46:36 PM

Quote from: blockman on June 02, 2021, 05:38:00 PM

These Ravena brothers might stay on the B League of Japan as they're going to be more recognized there and have a better basketball career.

Most probably as this league gives a better salary than the PBA, as rumor says, the salary of Thirdy Ravena is higher than the highest paid PBA player which is June Mar Fajardo, so Kiefer might just thinking of his better future.

That's a good choice for him. It's just a matter of choice and of course whichever can give them a better future. As we know in PBA, the league has some condition before giving their players to get paid with the highest contract that they can ever have. And for sure that opportunities abroad are paying well more than what the PBA can offer to them. It's a wise decision for both of these brothers, as long as there's an open opportunity for them, why they shouldn't decline it? they can always go back to the local league if the management will still allow them to play thus, they will go to another league which they'll be welcomed if PBA won't open their doors.

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