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Cone sees Slaughter flourishing with NorthPort: 'He needs the game to be built around him'

Just to let him feel upset on the trade, lol.. The fact that they let him go, it means they don't need him anymore as they are not satisfied with his performance, I'm not sure if that statement is really serious.

When Greg is still in the league around 2009, there are rumors already spreading regarding the Greg-CStand trade and after that Greg decided to leave Ginebra to practice outside the PH.

Now that he is back, he's just being used as a trading tool and now the Ginebra got Cstand in exchange of him. One thing more is that the Ginebra already won a championship without him and that is a proof that they don't need him in order to win a championship. On Greg's side, he must show his improvements of his practice last year and he must show that the Ginebra really made the wrong choice of trading him. I'm really excited how Greg will play this upcoming season and how he will fit on the NorthPort

. I'm excited to see his improvements.

He can stand out but the fact that the team he's been sent is not the type of a team who can compete with superb teams.

Plus also he's aging and lots of injuries, he can give some good minutes but without any supporting cast to win the game, he'll be forgotten
all along.

He should be thankful to land a team and now will still playing, unlike with other known players who still don't have clear destinations.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 10, 2021, 08:14:18 AM

Cone sees Slaughter flourishing with NorthPort: 'He needs the game to be built around him'

Just to let him feel upset on the trade, lol.. The fact that they let him go, it means they don't need him anymore as they are not satisfied with his performance, I'm not sure if that statement is really serious.

When Greg is still in the league around 2009, there are rumors already spreading regarding the Greg-CStand trade and after that Greg decided to leave Ginebra to practice outside the PH.

Now that he is back, he's just being used as a trading tool and now the Ginebra got Cstand in exchange of him. One thing more is that the Ginebra already won a championship without him and that is a proof that they don't need him in order to win a championship. On Greg's side, he must show his improvements of his practice last year and he must show that the Ginebra really made the wrong choice of trading him. I'm really excited how Greg will play this upcoming season and how he will fit on the NorthPort

. I'm excited to see his improvements.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 10, 2021, 08:14:18 AM

Cone sees Slaughter flourishing with NorthPort: 'He needs the game to be built around him'

Just to let him feel upset on the trade, lol.. The fact that they let him go, it means they don't need him anymore as they are not satisfied with his performance, I'm not sure if that statement is really serious.

That’s how you tell the public so you can still be good, trade is not just letting other teams to flourish a player that only means he’s not performing anymore and you have to look for more players that can be traded against your own player. Anyway, this is basketball after all we saw many trades already and let’s see if Slaughter will really perform this time.

Slaughter is a decent player, he will perform the same as when he is in genebra, although his years spent on the team was not that spectacular, they just get him for rebounds, besides I don't see any progress on his plays same as usual every conference, him being traded is a good decision for the franchise, to get better players, what I don't like is that genebra is getting all the stars in the league, I mean who on earth will trade a star player for a bunch of old bench players, there is something wrong with that, genebra is tanking every conference getting all the great players from a sister team, just to chase a championship, which they can't get if they won't do that, the PBA should do something about the situation, of what genebra is doing.

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trade is not just letting other teams to flourish a player that only means he’s not performing anymore and you have to look for more players that can be traded against your own player. Anyway, this is basketball after all we saw many trades already and let’s see if Slaughter will really perform this time.

That's the main point, too bad that he's traded and he has to realize that he's been traded for a better player and they don't need him anymore. He has to prove them wrong with his new team and if still, he can't perform as much as they're expecting, they'll have to trade him again as long as it's part of the contract. He needs to improve and become better than what they think about him.

He flew to the USA to train after his contract with BGSM has expired, maybe that little time could help him to improve his game. In terms of statistics, well, we can expect some improvemnet as definitely he will get more touches of the ball since NP is not a powerhouse team, he will be considered as a star player so its his chance to prove his worth again though in different team.

He's with Ginebra for seven years since he was included in PBA draft on 2013, and of course this is not the end of his PBA journey now with the new team, I'm sure he'll be more eager to show to Ginebra of what they have lost and probe his worth. He needs to do everything and give 101% on his upcoming games with the new team, though of course he has nothing to prove anymore because he's a champion already.

There will be that pride from him whenever he's going to play against his former team. But he can also put that as his mindset and show them that they've lost a guy that they can depend on.
Maybe that's what we're going to see if he starts improving, can't wait to see the season and wishing him to become tougher and better inside the court.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 10, 2021, 04:28:28 PM

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trade is not just letting other teams to flourish a player that only means he’s not performing anymore and you have to look for more players that can be traded against your own player. Anyway, this is basketball after all we saw many trades already and let’s see if Slaughter will really perform this time.

That's the main point, too bad that he's traded and he has to realize that he's been traded for a better player and they don't need him anymore. He has to prove them wrong with his new team and if still, he can't perform as much as they're expecting, they'll have to trade him again as long as it's part of the contract. He needs to improve and become better than what they think about him.

He flew to the USA to train after his contract with BGSM has expired, maybe that little time could help him to improve his game. In terms of statistics, well, we can expect some improvemnet as definitely he will get more touches of the ball since NP is not a powerhouse team, he will be considered as a star player so its his chance to prove his worth again though in different team.

He's with Ginebra for seven years since he was included in PBA draft on 2013, and of course this is not the end of his PBA journey now with the new team, I'm sure he'll be more eager to show to Ginebra of what they have lost and probe his worth. He needs to do everything and give 101% on his upcoming games with the new team, though of course he has nothing to prove anymore because he's a champion already.

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trade is not just letting other teams to flourish a player that only means he’s not performing anymore and you have to look for more players that can be traded against your own player. Anyway, this is basketball after all we saw many trades already and let’s see if Slaughter will really perform this time.

That's the main point, too bad that he's traded and he has to realize that he's been traded for a better player and they don't need him anymore. He has to prove them wrong with his new team and if still, he can't perform as much as they're expecting, they'll have to trade him again as long as it's part of the contract. He needs to improve and become better than what they think about him.

He flew to the USA to train after his contract with BGSM has expired, maybe that little time could help him to improve his game. In terms of statistics, well, we can expect some improvemnet as definitely he will get more touches of the ball since NP is not a powerhouse team, he will be considered as a star player so its his chance to prove his worth again though in different team.

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Quote from: samcrypto on April 10, 2021, 02:29:12 PM

trade is not just letting other teams to flourish a player that only means he’s not performing anymore and you have to look for more players that can be traded against your own player. Anyway, this is basketball after all we saw many trades already and let’s see if Slaughter will really perform this time.

That's the main point, too bad that he's traded and he has to realize that he's been traded for a better player and they don't need him anymore. He has to prove them wrong with his new team and if still, he can't perform as much as they're expecting, they'll have to trade him again as long as it's part of the contract. He needs to improve and become better than what they think about him.

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Cone sees Slaughter flourishing with NorthPort: 'He needs the game to be built around him'

Just to let him feel upset on the trade, lol.. The fact that they let him go, it means they don't need him anymore as they are not satisfied with his performance, I'm not sure if that statement is really serious.

That’s how you tell the public so you can still be good, trade is not just letting other teams to flourish a player that only means he’s not performing anymore and you have to look for more players that can be traded against your own player. Anyway, this is basketball after all we saw many trades already and let’s see if Slaughter will really perform this time.

He will surely perform as there's no other players that could carry this team, he will fill the place of C. Stand, so definitely the expectation of him contributing to the team is very high, this is just to up his morale, coach Tim Cone is good at that, it's his secret of success.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 10, 2021, 08:14:18 AM

Cone sees Slaughter flourishing with NorthPort: 'He needs the game to be built around him'

Just to let him feel upset on the trade, lol.. The fact that they let him go, it means they don't need him anymore as they are not satisfied with his performance, I'm not sure if that statement is really serious.

That’s how you tell the public so you can still be good, trade is not just letting other teams to flourish a player that only means he’s not performing anymore and you have to look for more players that can be traded against your own player. Anyway, this is basketball after all we saw many trades already and let’s see if Slaughter will really perform this time.

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That's a good proposal, in fact it's not hard to procure vaccine for them as they are a big and profitable organization, so they can afford to buy the vaccine even at a high price. If they want to guarantee a success of the coming season, they should ensure these players and people surrounding them will get vaccinated.

It's hard for any private organization/company to procure vaccines because there's a massive shortage in the entire world. They can afford to pay but if the supplier and manufacturer doesn't have that much supply anymore because they're just filling the earlier orders and if PBA has already ordered, they might be in the queue but we will not know if they already did.

They say, when the supply is law, the demand is high, and since this is a business, I think the PBA board could bid for a higher price so they'll be prioritize. I never doubt what they can do, Cojuangco and Pangilinan are two fo the richest in the Philippines, do you think they don't have an influence to get the vaccine?

Yes mate, it's the law of supply and demand. They have the influence to get the vaccine and that's why the private sectors are asking the government to allow them to get the vaccine.
But it's a global problem that there's not that much supply and there's a priority for getting one. Who knows if they've already ordered.

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Cone sees Slaughter flourishing with NorthPort: 'He needs the game to be built around him'

Just to let him feel upset on the trade, lol.. The fact that they let him go, it means they don't need him anymore as they are not satisfied with his performance, I'm not sure if that statement is really serious.

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Quote from: blockman on April 09, 2021, 01:31:41 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on April 09, 2021, 06:30:32 AM

That's a good proposal, in fact it's not hard to procure vaccine for them as they are a big and profitable organization, so they can afford to buy the vaccine even at a high price. If they want to guarantee a success of the coming season, they should ensure these players and people surrounding them will get vaccinated.

It's hard for any private organization/company to procure vaccines because there's a massive shortage in the entire world. They can afford to pay but if the supplier and manufacturer doesn't have that much supply anymore because they're just filling the earlier orders and if PBA has already ordered, they might be in the queue but we will not know if they already did.

They say, when the supply is law, the demand is high, and since this is a business, I think the PBA board could bid for a higher price so they'll be prioritize. I never doubt what they can do, Cojuangco and Pangilinan are two fo the richest in the Philippines, do you think they don't have an influence to get the vaccine?

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 09, 2021, 02:56:59 PM

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 09, 2021, 06:30:32 AM

That's a good proposal, in fact it's not hard to procure vaccine for them as they are a big and profitable organization, so they can afford to buy the vaccine even at a high price. If they want to guarantee a success of the coming season, they should ensure these players and people surrounding them will get vaccinated.

It's hard for any private organization/company to procure vaccines because there's a massive shortage in the entire world. They can afford to pay but if the supplier and manufacturer doesn't have that much supply anymore because they're just filling the earlier orders and if PBA has already ordered, they might be in the queue but we will not know if they already did.

That's behind our knowledge, and it's a proposal so assuming that the board consider it then everything will undergo to numbers of talks inside together with the franchise owners.

It takes s0me time before the deliberations and the decision making, plus the reality that supplies might not come from their target
time frame, surely manufacturers are busy supplying every sides of the world, they've got sets of priorities, not just because they've got the money to pay they can have it, they needed to wait for their turn.

Yes, they need to wait for their turn and that will affect the start of the next season. What's the update on what they're planning to do?
Some already have been eyeing to go back for a bubble and I think that they have no choice until the vaccines dedicated for them arrive if they've purchased already.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 08, 2021, 03:12:12 PM

That proposal considering players to get vaccinated might give some breathing to the players and staff as they don't need to lock themselves inside the chosen venue, they can go home after the game and live normally.

I doubt that they will live normally after being vaccinated. My understanding of this vaccine is that when you got infected with COVID, you will only get mild symptoms or you don't have any symptoms at all but still you will get infected and because of that you will still have to follow the health protocols set by the government.

IMO, PBA should follow what NBA is doing now. They are successful so i think PBA could do the same.

That's right, they can still be infected and spread the virus, that's why after vaccination they are still required to wear mask when going in public places and follow the same protocol of those who does not receive a vaccine yet, maybe if all people gets vaccinated, there's no need for a mask anymore.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 08, 2021, 03:12:12 PM

That proposal considering players to get vaccinated might give some breathing to the players and staff as they don't need to lock themselves inside the chosen venue, they can go home after the game and live normally.

I doubt that they will live normally after being vaccinated. My understanding of this vaccine is that when you got infected with COVID, you will only get mild symptoms or you don't have any symptoms at all but still you will get infected and because of that you will still have to follow the health protocols set by the government.

IMO, PBA should follow what NBA is doing now. They are successful so i think PBA could do the same.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 09, 2021, 02:56:59 PM

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 09, 2021, 06:30:32 AM

That's a good proposal, in fact it's not hard to procure vaccine for them as they are a big and profitable organization, so they can afford to buy the vaccine even at a high price. If they want to guarantee a success of the coming season, they should ensure these players and people surrounding them will get vaccinated.

It's hard for any private organization/company to procure vaccines because there's a massive shortage in the entire world. They can afford to pay but if the supplier and manufacturer doesn't have that much supply anymore because they're just filling the earlier orders and if PBA has already ordered, they might be in the queue but we will not know if they already did.

That's behind our knowledge, and it's a proposal so assuming that the board consider it then everything will undergo to numbers of talks inside together with the franchise owners.

It takes s0me time before the deliberations and the decision making, plus the reality that supplies might not come from their target
time frame, surely manufacturers are busy supplying every sides of the world, they've got sets of priorities, not just because they've got the money to pay they can have it, they needed to wait for their turn.

You know how this kind of stuff work in the Philippines, those who got money will get the priority, that's the sad reality and I think PBA could acquire for all their staff anytime, so for me it's not really a problem. Plus, if you are hearing the news that vaccine are already in the Philippines even before it was announce in the news, that's because some have money to acquire it from different suppliers.

This vaccine is not for the public, so it does not need to pass through the government, a private entity like PBA could acquire a vaccine.

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Quote from: blockman on April 09, 2021, 01:31:41 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on April 09, 2021, 06:30:32 AM

That's a good proposal, in fact it's not hard to procure vaccine for them as they are a big and profitable organization, so they can afford to buy the vaccine even at a high price. If they want to guarantee a success of the coming season, they should ensure these players and people surrounding them will get vaccinated.

It's hard for any private organization/company to procure vaccines because there's a massive shortage in the entire world. They can afford to pay but if the supplier and manufacturer doesn't have that much supply anymore because they're just filling the earlier orders and if PBA has already ordered, they might be in the queue but we will not know if they already did.

That's behind our knowledge, and it's a proposal so assuming that the board consider it then everything will undergo to numbers of talks inside together with the franchise owners.

It takes s0me time before the deliberations and the decision making, plus the reality that supplies might not come from their target
time frame, surely manufacturers are busy supplying every sides of the world, they've got sets of priorities, not just because they've got the money to pay they can have it, they needed to wait for their turn.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 09, 2021, 06:30:32 AM

That's a good proposal, in fact it's not hard to procure vaccine for them as they are a big and profitable organization, so they can afford to buy the vaccine even at a high price. If they want to guarantee a success of the coming season, they should ensure these players and people surrounding them will get vaccinated.

It's hard for any private organization/company to procure vaccines because there's a massive shortage in the entire world. They can afford to pay but if the supplier and manufacturer doesn't have that much supply anymore because they're just filling the earlier orders and if PBA has already ordered, they might be in the queue but we will not know if they already did.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 08, 2021, 05:35:48 AM

I guess they can get vaccine from different supplier, I believe we have a lot of supplier of vaccines that is arriving, so to make it sure everyone is being catered with their needs, there should be a lot of option. For now let's not expect a regular format, a bubble is more suited in the situation but the moment the management is sure that everyone is getting the vaccine, they can always swith it to normal, but no crowd yet or probably limited only.

Not that much to arrive, from Pfizer, the government only got around 117k and that's not much that our government has taken. Johnson and Johnson has already been approved by our FDA and I think they can order from there but the question if these manufacturers can cater their order since there's a lot of orders from different parts of the world.

Another thing to consider, Covid is not only here but in most part of the world if not everywhere, it will be difficult to find supplier to cater those orders in a much shorter period. PBA needs to consider every possible solution if they really wanted to push forward.

That proposal considering players to get vaccinated might give some breathing to the players and staff as they don't need to lock themselves inside the chosen venue, they can go home after the game and live normally.

That's a good proposal, in fact it's not hard to procure vaccine for them as they are a big and profitable organization, so they can afford to buy the vaccine even at a high price. If they want to guarantee a success of the coming season, they should ensure these players and people surrounding them will get vaccinated.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 08, 2021, 03:12:12 PM

Quote from: blockman on April 08, 2021, 03:02:30 PM

Quote from: Japinat on April 08, 2021, 05:35:48 AM

I guess they can get vaccine from different supplier, I believe we have a lot of supplier of vaccines that is arriving, so to make it sure everyone is being catered with their needs, there should be a lot of option. For now let's not expect a regular format, a bubble is more suited in the situation but the moment the management is sure that everyone is getting the vaccine, they can always swith it to normal, but no crowd yet or probably limited only.

Not that much to arrive, from Pfizer, the government only got around 117k and that's not much that our government has taken. Johnson and Johnson has already been approved by our FDA and I think they can order from there but the question if these manufacturers can cater their order since there's a lot of orders from different parts of the world.

Another thing to consider, Covid is not only here but in most part of the world if not everywhere, it will be difficult to find supplier to cater those orders in a much shorter period. PBA needs to consider every possible solution if they really wanted to push forward.

That proposal considering players to get vaccinated might give some breathing to the players and staff as they don't need to lock themselves inside the chosen venue, they can go home after the game and live normally.

That's right, there's likely a shortage because there were reserved orders from different countries. I guess that most of them wanted to get vaccinated but the rolling out takes time to happen for them. The priority isn't on them but I'm sure their management has been doing whatever they can and in all possible actions to give the fans what we want for this upcoming season. They can have a bubble for a mean time while waiting for the vaccination to roll if ever they've already ordered.

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