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Quote from: Fredomago on April 22, 2024, 10:28:05 AM

Yup, if they can invite more visiting teams who can provide competitions where fans will comes out and support their teams not just Ginebra but also other teams who are part of the league, right now, there's no interest that fans provide, aside from Ginebra other teams are not as hot like them, there's no support or only getting few fans which not enough to attract interest from other fans.

That entails money but if they really want to boost their income then they have to risk on that. PBA had done it once, I'm sure they can do it again. I'm not sure who's expense at that because they have to accommodate a whole team for a period of time until the conference is over. Now is the time to make more aggressive action in order to attract the fans as PBA seems already dying, if we look at the venue especially those games that are not out of town, we can only see few people watching the game.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 22, 2024, 10:18:03 AM

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It's always been them and that's why some fans are happy to see if it's not Ginebra ending in the grand finals. Although, fan base wise, they've got a lot of it but even with their games, its' no longer the same that the whole venue is full. This time, it's not that full at all and fans have lost interest due to the topics like this. They don't want to see the same teams ending in the finals because it's sort of boring when we want all teams to be competitive.

Some maybe happy but majority of the fans are rooting for Ginebra, so this team are not in the finals, they'll not spend their money to watch the game live. Filling up the Philippine Arena would result to a bigger income for the PBA, they needed that considering how much they are paying on their teams that are full of star players, I'm talking about the teams own by a giant company.

Last time no Ginebra, so this time the league can't afford to not put Ginebra in the Finals, they should be here and will probably battle with SMB which has a very dominant game last night and still able to maintain their undefeate record.

That was the time when Bay Area Dragon was part of the league and with their match against Ginebra, they have filled the entire area. See, that hints that the fans are up for the competition and not with just a few of these teams that will always become the champions and have some unfair trades.

Yeah, i remember that time, it was one of the best seasons for the PBA as the fans are supporting our very own against a strong Bay Area Dragon. I even thought at the beginning that no teams could beat the visiting team but when Ginebra beat them in the regular season, that made me think that Brownlee is really special, and in fact it was Brownlee who took care of the business in the Finals and beat the Bay Area in game 7.

I'm hoping for that time to come again, of course not Bay Area anymore as this team is not already existing but there are other teams out there, they could get it and I'm sure people will be coming back to watch an exciting match. Also, they should not only limit to one team, they can invite more.

Yup, if they can invite more visiting teams who can provide competitions where fans will comes out and support their teams not just Ginebra but also other teams who are part of the league, right now, there's no interest that fans provide, aside from Ginebra other teams are not as hot like them, there's no support or only getting few fans which not enough to attract interest from other fans.

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It's always been them and that's why some fans are happy to see if it's not Ginebra ending in the grand finals. Although, fan base wise, they've got a lot of it but even with their games, its' no longer the same that the whole venue is full. This time, it's not that full at all and fans have lost interest due to the topics like this. They don't want to see the same teams ending in the finals because it's sort of boring when we want all teams to be competitive.

Some maybe happy but majority of the fans are rooting for Ginebra, so this team are not in the finals, they'll not spend their money to watch the game live. Filling up the Philippine Arena would result to a bigger income for the PBA, they needed that considering how much they are paying on their teams that are full of star players, I'm talking about the teams own by a giant company.

Last time no Ginebra, so this time the league can't afford to not put Ginebra in the Finals, they should be here and will probably battle with SMB which has a very dominant game last night and still able to maintain their undefeate record.

That was the time when Bay Area Dragon was part of the league and with their match against Ginebra, they have filled the entire area. See, that hints that the fans are up for the competition and not with just a few of these teams that will always become the champions and have some unfair trades.

Yeah, i remember that time, it was one of the best seasons for the PBA as the fans are supporting our very own against a strong Bay Area Dragon. I even thought at the beginning that no teams could beat the visiting team but when Ginebra beat them in the regular season, that made me think that Brownlee is really special, and in fact it was Brownlee who took care of the business in the Finals and beat the Bay Area in game 7.

I'm hoping for that time to come again, of course not Bay Area anymore as this team is not already existing but there are other teams out there, they could get it and I'm sure people will be coming back to watch an exciting match. Also, they should not only limit to one team, they can invite more.

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Quote from: blockman on April 22, 2024, 08:34:47 AM

That was the time when Bay Area Dragon was part of the league and with their match against Ginebra, they have filled the entire area. See, that hints that the fans are up for the competition and not with just a few of these teams that will always become the champions and have some unfair trades.

PBA is not dead yet, they just don't want it to be lovable by the fans. I think they need to invite more foreign teams to make it more exciting, the current teams that are playing now is just very predictable, there's no excitement anymore and they have to understand that. Unfortunately, I think this team BAD was already disbanded, they could have come back again and make the PBA more exciting to watch. It's been awhile, does PBA have a plan of having a season like that?

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 22, 2024, 01:06:09 AM

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It's always been them and that's why some fans are happy to see if it's not Ginebra ending in the grand finals. Although, fan base wise, they've got a lot of it but even with their games, its' no longer the same that the whole venue is full. This time, it's not that full at all and fans have lost interest due to the topics like this. They don't want to see the same teams ending in the finals because it's sort of boring when we want all teams to be competitive.

Some maybe happy but majority of the fans are rooting for Ginebra, so this team are not in the finals, they'll not spend their money to watch the game live. Filling up the Philippine Arena would result to a bigger income for the PBA, they needed that considering how much they are paying on their teams that are full of star players, I'm talking about the teams own by a giant company.

Last time no Ginebra, so this time the league can't afford to not put Ginebra in the Finals, they should be here and will probably battle with SMB which has a very dominant game last night and still able to maintain their undefeate record.

That was the time when Bay Area Dragon was part of the league and with their match against Ginebra, they have filled the entire area. See, that hints that the fans are up for the competition and not with just a few of these teams that will always become the champions and have some unfair trades.

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I agree, it doesn't happen a lot in the PBA. But if it's in the grand finals, you'd see a lot of them happen because sometimes we think that they're scripted.
Though, it's really how the game works for those teams that are part of the grand finals. Sometimes they stumble and sometimes it's a tie so, it's nothing new that we see these upsets only mostly in the finals.

There's no exciting finals to watch than the Ginebra being in the court. If you'll compare the NBA finals last time wih SMB vs Magnolia, it's not as popular as when Ginebra is in the Finals because they can fill the arena and even take the game to the biggest arena in our country just to accomodate the fans.

It's always been them and that's why some fans are happy to see if it's not Ginebra ending in the grand finals. Although, fan base wise, they've got a lot of it but even with their games, its' no longer the same that the whole venue is full. This time, it's not that full at all and fans have lost interest due to the topics like this. They don't want to see the same teams ending in the finals because it's sort of boring when we want all teams to be competitive.

Some maybe happy but majority of the fans are rooting for Ginebra, so this team are not in the finals, they'll not spend their money to watch the game live. Filling up the Philippine Arena would result to a bigger income for the PBA, they needed that considering how much they are paying on their teams that are full of star players, I'm talking about the teams own by a giant company.

Last time no Ginebra, so this time the league can't afford to not put Ginebra in the Finals, they should be here and will probably battle with SMB which has a very dominant game last night and still able to maintain their undefeate record.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 20, 2024, 07:04:38 AM

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I agree, it doesn't happen a lot in the PBA. But if it's in the grand finals, you'd see a lot of them happen because sometimes we think that they're scripted.
Though, it's really how the game works for those teams that are part of the grand finals. Sometimes they stumble and sometimes it's a tie so, it's nothing new that we see these upsets only mostly in the finals.

There's no exciting finals to watch than the Ginebra being in the court. If you'll compare the NBA finals last time wih SMB vs Magnolia, it's not as popular as when Ginebra is in the Finals because they can fill the arena and even take the game to the biggest arena in our country just to accomodate the fans.

It's always been them and that's why some fans are happy to see if it's not Ginebra ending in the grand finals. Although, fan base wise, they've got a lot of it but even with their games, its' no longer the same that the whole venue is full. This time, it's not that full at all and fans have lost interest due to the topics like this. They don't want to see the same teams ending in the finals because it's sort of boring when we want all teams to be competitive.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 20, 2024, 06:25:42 AM

Phoenix surprised us today betting the NLEX by 35 points, the final score was 77-112 and they defended Bollick very well allowing him to only score by 11 points. This team really has some great talent on their line up, it's already in the All Filipino cup, no import and yet they are still having some kind of dominating game like this.

NLEX relied too much on their 3 point shooting, when they have a bad shooting night, this is what happened.

NLEX had 50 attempts and 11 of these went in, that's a very low precentage. And since their total attempts is 88, that means they focus so much on the 3 point area which is a very bad strategy.

They managed to limit Bollick and with that NLEX struggles the spark plug didn't work and they've got left behind losing with that huge deficits, seems that they don't have alternative plans when Phoenix anticipate where the offense will begin they just give everything to make sure that there's no spark that will lead to any rally till the end of the game, congrats to all those who bets for Phoenix!

Quote from: mirakal on April 20, 2024, 08:18:08 AM

Wow ,Magnolia continue their winning streak, they beat the Rain or shine tonight and the good news is Sanggalang is starting to show his star player performance. Their past game vs Phoenix when they also won, he scored 23 points and tonight he scored 25 points. I like when a big man of Magnolia is playing great basketball like this because they become more unpredictable. The defense is still their, so as long as the game is close, they have an advantage in the 4th quarter because of their hassle on the floor.

Winners today.

Phoenix and Magnolia. As to the current standing (https://pba.ph/standings), Magnolia is already at the top 3.

Ian is a well-known scorer even wayback in his college days, he can provide numbers when he's healthy and now that he's back in form and the rotation is now includes him, both Abueva and Sanggalang when they start fueling the team it will create spark and most probably they will bring decent competitions.

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Wow ,Magnolia continue their winning streak, they beat the Rain or shine tonight and the good news is Sanggalang is starting to show his star player performance. Their past game vs Phoenix when they also won, he scored 23 points and tonight he scored 25 points. I like when a big man of Magnolia is playing great basketball like this because they become more unpredictable. The defense is still their, so as long as the game is close, they have an advantage in the 4th quarter because of their hassle on the floor.

Winners today.

Phoenix and Magnolia. As to the current standing (https://pba.ph/standings), Magnolia is already at the top 3.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 20, 2024, 06:25:42 AM

NLEX had 50 attempts and 11 of these went in, that's a very low precentage. And since their total attempts is 88, that means they focus so much on the 3 point area which is a very bad strategy.

This team is playing like the Warriors, they forgot that the Phoenix Fuelmasters team are good with their defense, and they make them experience how good they are. 77 points only, that's too low for a team who have an explosive Bollick, but since he strugled, the whole team struggled too.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 18, 2024, 10:08:34 PM

Upset does not happen a lot in the PBA, unless it's just a regular season. In the playoffs or especially in the Finals, it shoudl be the best of the best in order for them to sell their tickets, otherwise, people will not be watching as they already know the outcome.

I agree, it doesn't happen a lot in the PBA. But if it's in the grand finals, you'd see a lot of them happen because sometimes we think that they're scripted.
Though, it's really how the game works for those teams that are part of the grand finals. Sometimes they stumble and sometimes it's a tie so, it's nothing new that we see these upsets only mostly in the finals.

There's no exciting finals to watch than the Ginebra being in the court. If you'll compare the NBA finals last time wih SMB vs Magnolia, it's not as popular as when Ginebra is in the Finals because they can fill the arena and even take the game to the biggest arena in our country just to accomodate the fans.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 18, 2024, 10:08:34 PM

Upset does not happen a lot in the PBA, unless it's just a regular season. In the playoffs or especially in the Finals, it shoudl be the best of the best in order for them to sell their tickets, otherwise, people will not be watching as they already know the outcome.

I agree, it doesn't happen a lot in the PBA. But if it's in the grand finals, you'd see a lot of them happen because sometimes we think that they're scripted.
Though, it's really how the game works for those teams that are part of the grand finals. Sometimes they stumble and sometimes it's a tie so, it's nothing new that we see these upsets only mostly in the finals.

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Phoenix surprised us today betting the NLEX by 35 points, the final score was 77-112 and they defended Bollick very well allowing him to only score by 11 points. This team really has some great talent on their line up, it's already in the All Filipino cup, no import and yet they are still having some kind of dominating game like this.

NLEX relied too much on their 3 point shooting, when they have a bad shooting night, this is what happened.

NLEX had 50 attempts and 11 of these went in, that's a very low precentage. And since their total attempts is 88, that means they focus so much on the 3 point area which is a very bad strategy.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 19, 2024, 08:23:55 AM

Thought converge are going to upset the SMB, but they were just good in the first half and the 3rd quarter alone, SMB have elimited the lead of the Converge. I can't believe the 3rd quarter scoring, 51-20 in favor of SMB, this is the first time I saw a team got outscored that high. Anyway, on the gamblers, converge still cover as it ended as SMB winning by 9 points only.

Upset hapenned in the PBA so it's not surprising if they did upset the SMB. However, SMB did not allow that, they want to keep their undefeated record and probably wants to make a history again. The 3rd quarter scoring only showed how lousy the Converge are, they don't play defense because 50 points in one quarter is just too much to give up while they only scored 20. They deserve to be winless because they don't give consistent energy every quarter.

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On the current game now, Ginebra vs TN, this has become a very exciting game, Ginebra started strong but TNT got back in the 2nd quarter and were able to tie the game at the half. Now it's Ginebra that is leading with less than 5 minutes left in the game, let's see if they'll get this W.

That was close but not close enough for TNT to complete their comeback. Ginebra is just the better team, they are clutch in the clutch time and Thompson was a blessing because he nailed a 3 point shot that give them a go ahead basket, now I can say that they already are back to their old never say die team and Thompson is a big factor of their success now.

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Thought converge are going to upset the SMB, but they were just good in the first half and the 3rd quarter alone, SMB have elimited the lead of the Converge. I can't believe the 3rd quarter scoring, 51-20 in favor of SMB, this is the first time I saw a team got outscored that high. Anyway, on the gamblers, converge still cover as it ended as SMB winning by 9 points only.

On the current game now, Ginebra vs TN, this has become a very exciting game, Ginebra started strong but TNT got back in the 2nd quarter and were able to tie the game at the half. Now it's Ginebra that is leading with less than 5 minutes left in the game, let's see if they'll get this W.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 18, 2024, 10:08:34 PM

Upset does not happen a lot in the PBA, unless it's just a regular season. In the playoffs or especially in the Finals, it shoudl be the best of the best in order for them to sell their tickets, otherwise, people will not be watching as they already know the outcome.

Yup, they need to bring the top tier teams to meet for the finals, else, there's no fans to watch or no interest coming from those remaining loyals people who still enjoying this league, though it's no longer secret in terms of who's going to win almost predictable and only bettors who really waiting for each games to place their bets, (just saying)

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SMB vs Ginebra, great match up in the Finals especially if the series is long. I think they really need to create some script in order to prolong the series to make it more fun. Other conference where it's fun to watch is if they'll invite some foreign teams, just like before, hopefully that will happen again as fans do really love that kind of competition.

Something that will bring numbers of crowd(Hakot) Gin kings is known to a crowd favorite and if they managed to reached the finals and even it's against SMB, fans will still going to support them, and surely PBA will make some decent earnings especially if the series will end in a final do-or-die game 7.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 18, 2024, 10:08:34 PM

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Yeah, and that's the same reason why coach Tim bring him in to represent our country his good hassle play and bring tough defense gives the main cores to rest with a quality minutes, I like Newsome in a way that he can blend his game to anyone but just like what you mentioned, they are not composed of players who can compete during the all Filipino conference unlike with SMC teams which more likely will again meet in the finals, unless upset will take place..

Upset does not happen a lot in the PBA, unless it's just a regular season. In the playoffs or especially in the Finals, it shoudl be the best of the best in order for them to sell their tickets, otherwise, people will not be watching as they already know the outcome.

No upsets are happening now, because they are now positioning to qualify.
Maybe in the early days there were upsets but top teams are now making sure that they'll start winning.

If we are looking to bet today, we have 2 games on board

Converge (winless) vs SMB (undefeated)
Ginebra vs TNT

Quote from: Distinctin on April 18, 2024, 10:08:34 PM

SMB vs Ginebra, great match up in the Finals especially if the series is long. I think they really need to create some script in order to prolong the series to make it more fun. Other conference where it's fun to watch is if they'll invite some foreign teams, just like before, hopefully that will happen again as fans do really love that kind of competition.

That's likely to happen since Ginebra is now in full force again and I'm sure coach Tim Cone would not allow to lose that easy again, they'll make an adjustment and will try to beat the SMB. But if other team will advance, hopefully it's TNT.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 18, 2024, 06:10:01 PM

Yeah, and that's the same reason why coach Tim bring him in to represent our country his good hassle play and bring tough defense gives the main cores to rest with a quality minutes, I like Newsome in a way that he can blend his game to anyone but just like what you mentioned, they are not composed of players who can compete during the all Filipino conference unlike with SMC teams which more likely will again meet in the finals, unless upset will take place..

Upset does not happen a lot in the PBA, unless it's just a regular season. In the playoffs or especially in the Finals, it shoudl be the best of the best in order for them to sell their tickets, otherwise, people will not be watching as they already know the outcome.

SMB vs Ginebra, great match up in the Finals especially if the series is long. I think they really need to create some script in order to prolong the series to make it more fun. Other conference where it's fun to watch is if they'll invite some foreign teams, just like before, hopefully that will happen again as fans do really love that kind of competition.

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Quote from: Finestream on April 18, 2024, 07:34:22 AM

Newsome is not getting any younger but he will be so useful in a team that are good defensivel as he is a great defender. I hope he will win a championship before he retires, and the only chance it will happen is if he will transfer to other team, maybe TNT as it's a system team of Meralco.

He is 33 years old now and still plays the same, it's just that Meralco aren't a good team in the All Filipino cup since they aren't loaded with talents unlike the SMB and Ginebra. They might not win on the current conference but they have a good chance on the next as long as they'll be able to acquire a great import. This team does not really on one man, they pass the ball and played honest defense, so when there's an import, we can expect that chemistry will easily be build.

We can see his average here https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Chris-Newsome/Summary/99298

Newsome is not really a special player, not a player that could average at least 20+ points per game, but his main skills is his defense and aggressiveness in grabbing the rebounds, and he had proven that when he minimize the RHJ during the 19th Asian Games.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-r-gVo_m3w

Yeah, and that's the same reason why coach Tim bring him in to represent our country his good hassle play and bring tough defense gives the main cores to rest with a quality minutes, I like Newsome in a way that he can blend his game to anyone but just like what you mentioned, they are not composed of players who can compete during the all Filipino conference unlike with SMC teams which more likely will again meet in the finals, unless upset will take place..

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Quote from: Finestream on April 18, 2024, 07:34:22 AM

Newsome is not getting any younger but he will be so useful in a team that are good defensivel as he is a great defender. I hope he will win a championship before he retires, and the only chance it will happen is if he will transfer to other team, maybe TNT as it's a system team of Meralco.

He is 33 years old now and still plays the same, it's just that Meralco aren't a good team in the All Filipino cup since they aren't loaded with talents unlike the SMB and Ginebra. They might not win on the current conference but they have a good chance on the next as long as they'll be able to acquire a great import. This team does not really on one man, they pass the ball and played honest defense, so when there's an import, we can expect that chemistry will easily be build.

We can see his average here https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Chris-Newsome/Summary/99298

Newsome is not really a special player, not a player that could average at least 20+ points per game, but his main skills is his defense and aggressiveness in grabbing the rebounds, and he had proven that when he minimize the RHJ during the 19th Asian Games.

if you miss the highlights, you can check out again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-r-gVo_m3w

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In that game first game, Belga showing his basketball IQ seems he cameback from his old glory days, not bad for ROS they are now slowly moving up and start being competitive again.

I guess coach yeng would stop complaining now about the super teams in the NBA. ROS currently have a good ranking, they are one of the weak teams that have a grea run so far. With their recent team, they improve to 5-4 and number 6 in standing, and since there's still plenty of games to be played, most likely they'll have a chance to be in the playoffs.

Currently, the top 5 teams now belong to the SMB and Pangilinan group.

https://pba.ph/

1. SMB
2. NLEX
3. Magnolia
4. Ginebra
5. TNT

Meralco seemed to be missing.

Only Meralco is missing the spot, though last season we manage to see Phoenix maybe this season ROS will have that chance to move up and be a contender, who knows they will manage their way to reach the semis, though with the current team standing they are still far in terms of reaching the finals, but there's no one who can dictate or conclude if they can or not.

Still got lots of game to play and it will be depends from how they will execute their system, maybe coach Yeng starting to adopt how the game is being played with his fresh squads who can really catch up with speed and skills, just need to be consistent and have that courage to bring all-in with each games that they'll playing.

Meralco has been struggling ever since they had a new head coach. It must be the problem and they can only fix that if they'll change a coach. Also, Meralco's style is more on grit and grind, they aren't good 3 point shooters as a team because only Maliksi are consistent in the line up. I don't expect them to qualify in the playoffs, it's another heartbreak for them this conference and time will come they'll decide to trade players and rebuild.

The change of coach is possible but if Norman Black will still be the one that will dictate, the system is still there, and even before he was still coaching the team, they aren't really like a championship team, IIRC, they were in the finals before but loss to Ginebra, that was during the time of Durham.

Newsome is not getting any younger but he will be so useful in a team that are good defensivel as he is a great defender. I hope he will win a championship before he retires, and the only chance it will happen is if he will transfer to other team, maybe TNT as it's a system team of Meralco.

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