2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 40.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on September 13, 2022, 03:16:24 PM

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I agree that it shouldn't be the whole nation that gets a problem, it should be the player and that's it. Put a decision about that player not being able to play in the world cup and that would be the final of it, why would you want to ban a whole nation? I understand the want to see Italy because they were so good so recently and suddenly they are not even in, but to get a Latin American team and then putting in a European team instead? That doesn't sound like a good plan to me at all.

I would prefer to see something a bit more light, this is a too much of a harsh decision to make based on something so silly, it's not a smart idea to give such a big punishment for something most nations probably do.

The standard procedure when things like this happen is that FIFA basically forfeits the game and gives a 3 - 0 victory to the opposing team.

Since this happened in a few matches, you need to re calculate all those points in the qualifying stage. After you do that, Ecuador ends up not qualifying and Chile takes its place.

Here's one example of exactly the same happening in 2017:

Quote from: https://www.pulse.ng/sports/football/super-eagles-nigeria-lose-3-0-to-algeria-after-fifa-forfeit-match-as-punishment-for/fbf5yd9

Nigeria lose 3-0 to Algeria after FIFA forfeit match as punishment for fielding ineligible player

So this can actually happen now.

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Quote from: nullama on September 13, 2022, 09:14:01 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 13, 2022, 07:18:03 AM

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I read about this issue and I wonder if this decision by FIFA will allow for Ukraine, or Italy to make a comeback for the World Cup because I’m sure that FIFA would like to replace them. Furthermore I understand that it’s a complicated situation, but I would really like to see Italy back because it’ll make the World Cup more interesting to watch, and what about other's which team would you’ll like to see be recalled back to the World Cup.

It's not really about selecting any team to join. It's basically a well defined sanction, which means the specific matches where the played was in the field will be changed to a 3 - 0 win for the other team.

If you run the numbers with all the matches the player was in the field, you end up with Chile qualifying in 4th place.

It's not that they're picking a specific team to go to the world cup instead of Ecuador (if this ends up being accepted as true by FIFA).

I agree that it shouldn't be the whole nation that gets a problem, it should be the player and that's it. Put a decision about that player not being able to play in the world cup and that would be the final of it, why would you want to ban a whole nation? I understand the want to see Italy because they were so good so recently and suddenly they are not even in, but to get a Latin American team and then putting in a European team instead? That doesn't sound like a good plan to me at all.

I would prefer to see something a bit more light, this is a too much of a harsh decision to make based on something so silly, it's not a smart idea to give such a big punishment for something most nations probably do.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 05:43:53 AM

I know that Chile football association is trying hard to get Ecuador disqualified. They should be ashamed of themselves. First they can't secure a qualification spot from the CONMEBOL. And now they are trying to get one of the qualified teams suspended.

Isn't simply the player to be suspended if all of Chile's allegations against Ecuador prove to be true? Does it have to result in the team being eliminated from the World Cup as a whole? Has it ever happened that a qualifying team been disqualified from a competition due to false information provided to the regulatory agencies. The only thing I've heard of is that a player can play for another national team he's nationalized in only if he hasn't represented the one he claims to have been born in, and vice versa. Ecuador have come far to be disqualified now, the allegations against them should not allow such to happen them.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 13, 2022, 07:18:03 AM

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I read about this issue and I wonder if this decision by FIFA will allow for Ukraine, or Italy to make a comeback for the World Cup because I’m sure that FIFA would like to replace them. Furthermore I understand that it’s a complicated situation, but I would really like to see Italy back because it’ll make the World Cup more interesting to watch, and what about other's which team would you’ll like to see be recalled back to the World Cup.

It's not really about selecting any team to join. It's basically a well defined sanction, which means the specific matches where the played was in the field will be changed to a 3 - 0 win for the other team.

If you run the numbers with all the matches the player was in the field, you end up with Chile qualifying in 4th place.

It's not that they're picking a specific team to go to the world cup instead of Ecuador (if this ends up being accepted as true by FIFA).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 05:43:53 AM

FIFA has already conducted an enquiry on this and has ruled that Byron Castillo is an Ecuadorian citizen. And as far as I know, whether he was born in Colombia or Ecuador should not matter, in case his Ecuadorian nationality is unchallenged. Naturalized citizens are allowed to participate in the FIFA world cup. I know that Chile football association is trying hard to get Ecuador disqualified. They should be ashamed of themselves. First they can't secure a qualification spot from the CONMEBOL. And now they are trying to get one of the qualified teams suspended.

The problem is not where the player was born and his neutralization in another country. And FIFA accepts neutralized players if he has never played in the A team of another national team. The question here is whether he deceived the authorities and in turn FIFA, this cannot be allowed.

Now, it's still shameful if this is some behind-the-scenes move by other countries. The information made public must be evaluated and a definite decision must be taken, so that this is not always the case.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 05:43:53 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on September 13, 2022, 04:36:14 AM

It seems that Ecuador may not participate in the World Cup. According to the Daily Mail, there are quite compromising documents, which again call into question the possibility of being excluded from the World Cup.

In the audio document, allegedly collected in the interview made in 2018, the player can be heard clearly saying that he was born in 1995 and not in 1998 as appears on his Ecuadorian birth certificate, giving his name as Bayron Javier Castillo Segura and not Byron David Castillo Segura.

INFO: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11203773/Ecuador-face-kicked-World-Cup-new-evidence-Byron-Castillo-Colombian.html

FIFA has already conducted an enquiry on this and has ruled that Byron Castillo is an Ecuadorian citizen. And as far as I know, whether he was born in Colombia or Ecuador should not matter, in case his Ecuadorian nationality is unchallenged. Naturalized citizens are allowed to participate in the FIFA world cup. I know that Chile football association is trying hard to get Ecuador disqualified. They should be ashamed of themselves. First they can't secure a qualification spot from the CONMEBOL. And now they are trying to get one of the qualified teams suspended.

I read about this issue and I wonder if this decision by FIFA will allow for Ukraine, or Italy to make a comeback for the World Cup because I’m sure that FIFA would like to replace them. Furthermore I understand that it’s a complicated situation, but I would really like to see Italy back because it’ll make the World Cup more interesting to watch, and what about other's which team would you’ll like to see be recalled back to the World Cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 05:43:53 AM

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FIFA has already conducted an enquiry on this and has ruled that Byron Castillo is an Ecuadorian citizen. And as far as I know, whether he was born in Colombia or Ecuador should not matter, in case his Ecuadorian nationality is unchallenged. Naturalized citizens are allowed to participate in the FIFA world cup. I know that Chile football association is trying hard to get Ecuador disqualified. They should be ashamed of themselves. First they can't secure a qualification spot from the CONMEBOL. And now they are trying to get one of the qualified teams suspended.

I don't think this is coming from Chile. This is coming from Sportsmail, which I doubt is from that country.

And yes, FIFA already ruled that, but this is an official appeal, which will have an official response in a few days:

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The stunning revelation in FIFA's inquiry into the case of Byron Castillo comes days before their Appeals Commission are due to rule on the matter on Thursday, and could alter the identity of Qatar's opponents in the first game of the World Cup and who England will face in the last 16.

I guess we'll have to wait and see:

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Castillo has never publicly addressed the issue of his nationality, but has been asked to appear via video link before FIFA's Appeals Commission to answer their questions. It is not known at present whether he intends to attend.

The thing is that apparently he was never naturalized Ecuadorian:

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In 2018 a report from the General Director of the Civil Register in Ecuador declared that Castillo's Ecuadorian birth certificate did not exist in its internal records, and concluded it was false.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 13, 2022, 04:36:14 AM

It seems that Ecuador may not participate in the World Cup. According to the Daily Mail, there are quite compromising documents, which again call into question the possibility of being excluded from the World Cup.

In the audio document, allegedly collected in the interview made in 2018, the player can be heard clearly saying that he was born in 1995 and not in 1998 as appears on his Ecuadorian birth certificate, giving his name as Bayron Javier Castillo Segura and not Byron David Castillo Segura.

INFO: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11203773/Ecuador-face-kicked-World-Cup-new-evidence-Byron-Castillo-Colombian.html

FIFA has already conducted an enquiry on this and has ruled that Byron Castillo is an Ecuadorian citizen. And as far as I know, whether he was born in Colombia or Ecuador should not matter, in case his Ecuadorian nationality is unchallenged. Naturalized citizens are allowed to participate in the FIFA world cup. I know that Chile football association is trying hard to get Ecuador disqualified. They should be ashamed of themselves. First they can't secure a qualification spot from the CONMEBOL. And now they are trying to get one of the qualified teams suspended.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 13, 2022, 04:36:14 AM

It seems that Ecuador may not participate in the World Cup. According to the Daily Mail, there are quite compromising documents, which again call into question the possibility of being excluded from the World Cup.

In the audio document, allegedly collected in the interview made in 2018, the player can be heard clearly saying that he was born in 1995 and not in 1998 as appears on his Ecuadorian birth certificate, giving his name as Bayron Javier Castillo Segura and not Byron David Castillo Segura.

INFO: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11203773/Ecuador-face-kicked-World-Cup-new-evidence-Byron-Castillo-Colombian.html

Interesting.

I thought that case was already analyzed and closed by FIFA. Here's the report about it, from three months ago: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/fifa-dismiss-chile-complaint-ecuador-keep-spot-world-cup-2022-06-10/

But it looks like Chile might end up having a surprise qualification at the last minute if this ends up disqualifying Ecuador from the World Cup.

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It seems that Ecuador may not participate in the World Cup. According to the Daily Mail, there are quite compromising documents, which again call into question the possibility of being excluded from the World Cup.

In the audio document, allegedly collected in the interview made in 2018, the player can be heard clearly saying that he was born in 1995 and not in 1998 as appears on his Ecuadorian birth certificate, giving his name as Bayron Javier Castillo Segura and not Byron David Castillo Segura.

INFO: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11203773/Ecuador-face-kicked-World-Cup-new-evidence-Byron-Castillo-Colombian.html

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 11, 2022, 04:37:02 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 11, 2022, 04:08:02 PM

I do not think that it is a place where young players could go to showcase their talents, the nations league or whatever it is named would be a much better place to do that. World cup is the place where nations bring their best possible players and most of the time teams that join are good teams as well because they beat others to join, there are a lot of nations that failed to join.

This is why I believe that we will see players who are at the best stages of their career, and not players who are young and have potential. If you are young and already play very well like Haaland then of course you will play.

I also believe that the World Cup isn't a showcase for new talent.
Talented players who are starting their careers always manage to stand out and attract the attention of big teams even if they are playing in local and less-targeted championships.

Football moves a lot of money and has scouts all over the world, you don't have to get to the FIFA World Cup to be able to stand out.

It's yours too, of course, but the World Cup is a tournament where a footballer wants to show his full potential. One of the most important tournaments in the world. If one of the dreams of footballers right now is to play in UCL, the other is to play in WC. Considering that they represent their country, it would be a good tournament emotionally as well. Many international observers also have the opportunity to observe the players in this tournament. That's why I think WC is a very important tournament for a football player.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 12, 2022, 08:53:25 PM

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LOL.. you can't compare world cup to any other platform. Club football is popular only within a specific country. There are a very few leagues (such as the EPL and Serie A) which have a global audience. But even they can't be compared to the huge audience pool for the FIFA World Cup. But that doesn't mean that younger players with zero international experience can be directly drafted in to the world cup squad. Most of the smaller countries will get three matches to showcase their skills in the group stage. And they need to decide whether they want experienced players, younger ones, or a mixture of both.

Yeah, absolutely.

The world cup is the biggest event on Earth. Anyone that has an excellent performance in the world cup will have scouts contacting him for the rest of the year, plus they will be on the media non-stop.

Club football is the day to day work for footballers, but the World Cup is an exceptional time to showcase what they can do. Also, they only need to be extremely good in a couple of matches to earn a reputation in the world cup, whereas at club football they need to be way more consistent to be exceptional.

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Quote from: crunck on September 12, 2022, 03:39:52 PM

If young and new players want to showcase their talent, they have a lot of other places to do that. A world cup is not a tournament in which any team would like to experiment. Every time goes into the world cup thinking about winning the precious trophy. Club football is the place where young players have the most chance of showing off what they can do. But that does not win there is no space for young and rising players to show the talent that they have in the world cup. After all, it is the world cup and if anyone can show good performance he will be able to make a lot of big clubs interested in him.

LOL.. you can't compare world cup to any other platform. Club football is popular only within a specific country. There are a very few leagues (such as the EPL and Serie A) which have a global audience. But even they can't be compared to the huge audience pool for the FIFA World Cup. But that doesn't mean that younger players with zero international experience can be directly drafted in to the world cup squad. Most of the smaller countries will get three matches to showcase their skills in the group stage. And they need to decide whether they want experienced players, younger ones, or a mixture of both.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 11, 2022, 04:37:02 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 11, 2022, 04:08:02 PM

I do not think that it is a place where young players could go to showcase their talents, the nations league or whatever it is named would be a much better place to do that. World cup is the place where nations bring their best possible players and most of the time teams that join are good teams as well because they beat others to join, there are a lot of nations that failed to join.
This is why I believe that we will see players who are at the best stages of their career, and not players who are young and have potential. If you are young and already play very well like Haaland then of course you will play.

I also believe that the World Cup isn't a showcase for new talent.
Talented players who are starting their careers always manage to stand out and attract the attention of big teams even if they are playing in local and less-targeted championships.
Football moves a lot of money and has scouts all over the world, you don't have to get to the FIFA World Cup to be able to stand out.

Even we have mostly quality players from big countries but still a platform for many players those are not able to have better sources of things for giving their best and intention from big clubs in UEFA they can achieve something better which helps them for having quality club and good salaries we have too many examples even mostly players are not able to perform as they were expected but good for them and their countries to be highlighted.
I also agree with this statement that mostly big UEFA clubs have their agents which are working for them and giving them good players which are in their early days and have quality and skills for giving their best in future many examples are already, and they have done amazing jobs with the brightest careers like Ronaldo from Brazil and now Haaland from Norway as well.

If young and new players want to showcase their talent, they have a lot of other places to do that. A world cup is not a tournament in which any team would like to experiment. Every time goes into the world cup thinking about winning the precious trophy. Club football is the place where young players have the most chance of showing off what they can do. But that does not win there is no space for young and rising players to show the talent that they have in the world cup. After all, it is the world cup and if anyone can show good performance he will be able to make a lot of big clubs interested in him.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 11, 2022, 04:37:02 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 11, 2022, 04:08:02 PM

I do not think that it is a place where young players could go to showcase their talents, the nations league or whatever it is named would be a much better place to do that. World cup is the place where nations bring their best possible players and most of the time teams that join are good teams as well because they beat others to join, there are a lot of nations that failed to join.

This is why I believe that we will see players who are at the best stages of their career, and not players who are young and have potential. If you are young and already play very well like Haaland then of course you will play.

I also believe that the World Cup isn't a showcase for new talent.
Talented players who are starting their careers always manage to stand out and attract the attention of big teams even if they are playing in local and less-targeted championships.

Football moves a lot of money and has scouts all over the world, you don't have to get to the FIFA World Cup to be able to stand out.

Even we have mostly quality players from big countries but still a platform for many players those are not able to have better sources of things for giving their best and intention from big clubs in UEFA they can achieve something better which helps them for having quality club and good salaries we have too many examples even mostly players are not able to perform as they were expected but good for them and their countries to be highlighted.

I also agree with this statement that mostly big UEFA clubs have their agents which are working for them and giving them good players which are in their early days and have quality and skills for giving their best in future many examples are already, and they have done amazing jobs with the brightest careers like Ronaldo from Brazil and now Haaland from Norway as well.

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The fifa 2022 World Cup will be full of anxiety, passion, class, and so much more, well the world has always been a very interesting tournament if not the best. The atmosphere in Qatar will be so nice and from the preparations so far I think the tournament will make a lot of sense. Some big countries couldn’t make it through the qualification but that the interesting thing about the World Cup and some under dog countries will put in a big surprise and I just can’t wait for it to all start. It going to be very big in Qatar this year.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 11, 2022, 04:37:02 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 11, 2022, 04:08:02 PM

I do not think that it is a place where young players could go to showcase their talents, the nations league or whatever it is named would be a much better place to do that. World cup is the place where nations bring their best possible players and most of the time teams that join are good teams as well because they beat others to join, there are a lot of nations that failed to join.

This is why I believe that we will see players who are at the best stages of their career, and not players who are young and have potential. If you are young and already play very well like Haaland then of course you will play.

I also believe that the World Cup isn't a showcase for new talent.
Talented players who are starting their careers always manage to stand out and attract the attention of big teams even if they are playing in local and less-targeted championships.

Football moves a lot of money and has scouts all over the world, you don't have to get to the FIFA World Cup to be able to stand out.

The best teams in the world actually have their own agents who travel the world in search of new football talents. All the big clubs do it.
Therefore, it is unlikely that a good young player will not be noticed by a serious European club.
However, the world championship is the biggest stage in the world and players who manage to show their talent and quality there will increase their chances of being transferred to a better European club and get a higher salary.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 11, 2022, 04:37:02 PM

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I also believe that the World Cup isn't a showcase for new talent.
Talented players who are starting their careers always manage to stand out and attract the attention of big teams even if they are playing in local and less-targeted championships.

Football moves a lot of money and has scouts all over the world, you don't have to get to the FIFA World Cup to be able to stand out.

Of course, but in the eyes of the public in general it's pretty obvious when a player does a great job in the world cup.

Also, scouts have limited capacity, they simply cannot track the performance of every single new player in the entire world.

If someone does great in the world cup, it's almost a guaranteed new hire at a top team soon afterwards.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 11, 2022, 04:08:02 PM

I do not think that it is a place where young players could go to showcase their talents, the nations league or whatever it is named would be a much better place to do that. World cup is the place where nations bring their best possible players and most of the time teams that join are good teams as well because they beat others to join, there are a lot of nations that failed to join.

This is why I believe that we will see players who are at the best stages of their career, and not players who are young and have potential. If you are young and already play very well like Haaland then of course you will play.

I also believe that the World Cup isn't a showcase for new talent.
Talented players who are starting their careers always manage to stand out and attract the attention of big teams even if they are playing in local and less-targeted championships.

Football moves a lot of money and has scouts all over the world, you don't have to get to the FIFA World Cup to be able to stand out.

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And this is a golden opportunity that they may never have again. They will do everything in their power on the pitch. After all they definitely want to have a career in a big team. The World Cup is one way to promote themselves to the teams they are aiming for. Because I'm sure they must have a dream team in their career.

But let me go to another topic. The World Cup is a big platform, like every year, there are many new young players in all the teams. The World Cup is a place for them to compete, I think they can show their talent and take themselves to a much better place. The World Cup is not a formality, it is an event to take world football to a better place.

I do not think that it is a place where young players could go to showcase their talents, the nations league or whatever it is named would be a much better place to do that. World cup is the place where nations bring their best possible players and most of the time teams that join are good teams as well because they beat others to join, there are a lot of nations that failed to join.

This is why I believe that we will see players who are at the best stages of their career, and not players who are young and have potential. If you are young and already play very well like Haaland then of course you will play.

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