2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 47.

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OK.. this is new information for me. I didn't knew that Qatar are the Asian champions. I checked the stats and found out that they defeated Japan (1-3) to lift the 2019 AFC Asian Cup. And before that they defeated the United Arab Emirates in the semi-finals by a margin of 4-0. Won against South Korea 1-0 in the QF stage as well. These are some of the strongest teams in Asia. If Qatar can win against these teams, then it means that they are not as weak as we have thought. Looking at the results, I believe that they have a good chance against Senegal, and to some degree against Ecuador as well.

Yes, Qatar is not just any team, nor is it a princess team, we all know very well that Qatar can beat Senegal and obviously Ecuador, Ecuador for me played a very good role in the qualifiers, but only at the beginning and that only it was enough to stay in the qualifying positions, but really some other teams like Chile, Colombia deserved it even more than Ecuador, so for me it would be gratifying if Qatar could win and go to the round of 16, also because they are at home, they probably want to continue advancing , as you said, they beat JKapon in 2019 and Japan is one of the big ones in Asia...

How are you so sure that Qatar can beat Ecuador easily especially Senegal, from FIFA rankings Senegal is ranked 18th and Qatar is ranked 49th. This difference shows a very significant difference, that statistically the players are of different quality.
I must admit that Qatar's football development has progressed quite significantly, they played well in the Asian tournament as well as in the Arab Cup competition, and Qatar is the champion of the AFC ASIAN CUP 2019, Qatar can overthrow Japan with a landslide score of 1-3.

Nevertheless, Qatar's chances of qualifying from the preliminary group stage are not easy. I'm not sure they can overthrow Senegal let alone the Netherlands.
we agree, there is no guarantee, anything can happen as long as the game runs 2×45 minutes. However, Ecuador is also not a weak team as we think, Ecuador can play Brazil with a draw, against Argentina with a draw. Ecuador remains to be reckoned with.

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Apart from that all this can also be a pretty important lesson for Qatar if they are serious about football.
They are now a club that is not seeded in anything other than the advantage of their hosts, but in this case that doesn't mean they can't play but their quality is still below the average team competing in the current world cup.

We don't know how hard is their workout. For now I don't think Qatar to be below average, being the host it'll try the best to stay active on the tournament. Lets see, the first match of Qatar will give the answer.

In terms of quality, obviously they are very good for their current zone but I still feel when compared to the European or American zones it is clear they are still less competitive.
But indeed in this case it might be better to wait for how they match.

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Have anyone heard of the FIFA banned All India Football Federation. India have tried to make AIFF same as BCCI and the World Body have banned the organisation indicating the involvement of third party.

I also heard about this a few days ago but I did not read further about it because for sure as you said India has violated Articles 13 and 17 of the FIFA Statute which says about no intervention from other parties in any form of decision making except the local government and India violates it then sanctions are definitely there. Currently, it is just a matter of waiting for India to address this as the sanctions will be lifted when the third party intervention against AIFF can be overcome.

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It was the first time Qatar had the opportunity to open this match for the first time, but I think it's a natural thing when a football match is played somewhere for sure the first match is against the hosts and so on will be followed by other clubs. I think Qatar already knows this and accepts it whether it's a win or a loss. His biggest hope is to get a win and advance to the next round.

Apart from that all this can also be a pretty important lesson for Qatar if they are serious about football.
They are now a club that is not seeded in anything other than the advantage of their hosts, but in this case that doesn't mean they can't play but their quality is still below the average team competing in the current world cup.

Qatar is not strong enough to compete with big teams in the fifa world cup , Qatar hosting game will increase their performance in the game and will also make them to perform better than in past. The world cup will boost Qatar performance.

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Quote from: romero121 on August 21, 2022, 06:49:19 PM

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Quote from: TopT3ns on August 21, 2022, 05:40:06 PM

It was the first time Qatar had the opportunity to open this match for the first time, but I think it's a natural thing when a football match is played somewhere for sure the first match is against the hosts and so on will be followed by other clubs. I think Qatar already knows this and accepts it whether it's a win or a loss. His biggest hope is to get a win and advance to the next round.

Apart from that all this can also be a pretty important lesson for Qatar if they are serious about football.
They are now a club that is not seeded in anything other than the advantage of their hosts, but in this case that doesn't mean they can't play but their quality is still below the average team competing in the current world cup.

We don't know how hard is their workout. For now I don't think Qatar to be below average, being the host it'll try the best to stay active on the tournament. Lets see, the first match of Qatar will give the answer.

Have anyone heard of the FIFA banned All India Football Federation. India have tried to make AIFF same as BCCI and the World Body have banned the organisation indicating the involvement of third party.

It is often said that it is a good thing for the host to move forward on the competition so the fans of that country remain invested in the tournament, but I disagree, this is the world cup, fans all over the world go to the host nation to support their country and to watch the best national teams going at each other at the biggest stage, so even if the host is eliminated on the first round it does not matter as even if the enthusiasm on the host nation went down the fans that came all over the world will be enough to keep the tournament strong and with a festive environment.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on August 21, 2022, 05:47:56 PM

Quote from: TopT3ns on August 21, 2022, 05:40:06 PM

It was the first time Qatar had the opportunity to open this match for the first time, but I think it's a natural thing when a football match is played somewhere for sure the first match is against the hosts and so on will be followed by other clubs. I think Qatar already knows this and accepts it whether it's a win or a loss. His biggest hope is to get a win and advance to the next round.

Apart from that all this can also be a pretty important lesson for Qatar if they are serious about football.
They are now a club that is not seeded in anything other than the advantage of their hosts, but in this case that doesn't mean they can't play but their quality is still below the average team competing in the current world cup.

It is obvious that they are not going to perform very well in the World Cup. The only reason they are playing in the actual World Cup is that they are hosting one. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have been able to actually qualify for the World Cup.

But now they have got themselves playing in the World Cup should be determined to prove a point which is to wait time until they can get better. I am not expecting any surprises but it would be better if they can perform well in the future of them.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on August 21, 2022, 05:47:56 PM

Quote from: TopT3ns on August 21, 2022, 05:40:06 PM

It was the first time Qatar had the opportunity to open this match for the first time, but I think it's a natural thing when a football match is played somewhere for sure the first match is against the hosts and so on will be followed by other clubs. I think Qatar already knows this and accepts it whether it's a win or a loss. His biggest hope is to get a win and advance to the next round.

Apart from that all this can also be a pretty important lesson for Qatar if they are serious about football.
They are now a club that is not seeded in anything other than the advantage of their hosts, but in this case that doesn't mean they can't play but their quality is still below the average team competing in the current world cup.

We don't know how hard is their workout. For now I don't think Qatar to be below average, being the host it'll try the best to stay active on the tournament. Lets see, the first match of Qatar will give the answer.

Have anyone heard of the FIFA banned All India Football Federation. India have tried to make AIFF same as BCCI and the World Body have banned the organisation indicating the involvement of third party.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on August 21, 2022, 05:40:06 PM

It was the first time Qatar had the opportunity to open this match for the first time, but I think it's a natural thing when a football match is played somewhere for sure the first match is against the hosts and so on will be followed by other clubs. I think Qatar already knows this and accepts it whether it's a win or a loss. His biggest hope is to get a win and advance to the next round.

Apart from that all this can also be a pretty important lesson for Qatar if they are serious about football.
They are now a club that is not seeded in anything other than the advantage of their hosts, but in this case that doesn't mean they can't play but their quality is still below the average team competing in the current world cup.

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Qatar normally has no chance of going ahead. Although on paper this is perhaps the weakest group of all groups at the World Cup. The opening match could be satisfying for Qatar if they manage to win it. That the Netherlands will win the group seems pretty certain to me. I have a hard time estimating Segenal. Mane is obviously a great player, but the rest is relatively unknown. Qatar will have to have a very good day against Senegal and luck, then they could beat Qatar. I haven't looked into the schedule to see who will play as number 2 in group A against the winner of which group. But the winner of A will probably play against the USA/Wales. Assuming that Iran does not know where to place itself.

It was the first time Qatar had the opportunity to open this match for the first time, but I think it's a natural thing when a football match is played somewhere for sure the first match is against the hosts and so on will be followed by other clubs. I think Qatar already knows this and accepts it whether it's a win or a loss. His biggest hope is to get a win and advance to the next round.

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Qatar normally has no chance of going ahead. Although on paper this is perhaps the weakest group of all groups at the World Cup. The opening match could be satisfying for Qatar if they manage to win it. That the Netherlands will win the group seems pretty certain to me. I have a hard time estimating Segenal. Mane is obviously a great player, but the rest is relatively unknown. Qatar will have to have a very good day against Senegal and luck, then they could beat Qatar. I haven't looked into the schedule to see who will play as number 2 in group A against the winner of which group. But the winner of A will probably play against the USA/Wales. Assuming that Iran does not know where to place itself.

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I certainly do not underestimate the Qatar National team. Even though it participated in the World Cup as the host i think all the teams in this organization are valuable. Also we should not forget that the Qatar National Team is the Asian champion. Asian teams consist of weak squads but Qatar National Team can get good results in the Cup with the advantage of being the home team.

OK.. this is new information for me. I didn't knew that Qatar are the Asian champions. I checked the stats and found out that they defeated Japan (1-3) to lift the 2019 AFC Asian Cup. And before that they defeated the United Arab Emirates in the semi-finals by a margin of 4-0. Won against South Korea 1-0 in the QF stage as well. These are some of the strongest teams in Asia. If Qatar can win against these teams, then it means that they are not as weak as we have thought. Looking at the results, I believe that they have a good chance against Senegal, and to some degree against Ecuador as well.

Yes, Qatar is not just any team, nor is it a princess team, we all know very well that Qatar can beat Senegal and obviously Ecuador, Ecuador for me played a very good role in the qualifiers, but only at the beginning and that only it was enough to stay in the qualifying positions, but really some other teams like Chile, Colombia deserved it even more than Ecuador, so for me it would be gratifying if Qatar could win and go to the round of 16, also because they are at home, they probably want to continue advancing , as you said, they beat JKapon in 2019 and Japan is one of the big ones in Asia...

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Asian teams may be able to give a surprise like what happened in the 2002 world cup. Asian football is now stronger and more evenly distributed even though they are slightly smaller physically but that is not a significant difference, because we know the world's best players like messi don't have the posture big body to make her the best in the world.

Of the six Asian squad countries that will appear in this world cup, which team do you mean that can surprise the 2022 world cup, and if Asian football is now stronger and more evenly distributed, which asia do you mean, I'm a little interested in your statement, because I do not see a significant change in the development of football in Asia.

group B, there is iran, i doubt iran can beat england, wales and usa.
group G, there is saudi arabia, to beat poland and mexico, the chances of arabia are very small.
group D, there is Australia, the possibility of Australia will be slaughtered by France.
group E, there is Japan, Japan is included in the destroyer group, there are Germany and Spain, indirectly becoming candidates who will qualify from the group stage.
group H, there is South Korea, South Korea is the weakest team in Group H.
group A, Qatar, the opening match is owned by the hosts, can Qatar give a surprise and be able to qualify for the next round. I am not sure.

without reducing my respect for the asia squad that will compete in the 2022 world cup, the squad from asia will not go further than the round of 16, and even then if there is one of the 6 squads that passes from the group stage.

As for the teams from Asia, there have been no big surprises and changes for a long time, and the most likely candidates for a big result are Japan and South Korea, as in every World Cup so far.
Australia moved to the Asian competition for some other reasons (easier route to the World Cup), but we cannot consider them an Asian team.
When I carefully look at all these groups, it will be very difficult for all Asian teams to pass the group stage of the world championship, and the best chance of passing is still held by the host Qatar.
Japan and South Korea were unlucky in the group draw and are in very difficult groups.

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Quote from: inanilujimi on August 20, 2022, 12:46:44 PM

Asian teams may be able to give a surprise like what happened in the 2002 world cup. Asian football is now stronger and more evenly distributed even though they are slightly smaller physically but that is not a significant difference, because we know the world's best players like messi don't have the posture big body to make her the best in the world.

Of the six Asian squad countries that will appear in this world cup, which team do you mean that can surprise the 2022 world cup, and if Asian football is now stronger and more evenly distributed, which asia do you mean, I'm a little interested in your statement, because I do not see a significant change in the development of football in Asia.

group B, there is iran, i doubt iran can beat england, wales and usa.
group G, there is saudi arabia, to beat poland and mexico, the chances of arabia are very small.
group D, there is Australia, the possibility of Australia will be slaughtered by France.
group E, there is Japan, Japan is included in the destroyer group, there are Germany and Spain, indirectly becoming candidates who will qualify from the group stage.
group H, there is South Korea, South Korea is the weakest team in Group H.
group A, Qatar, the opening match is owned by the hosts, can Qatar give a surprise and be able to qualify for the next round. I am not sure.

without reducing my respect for the asia squad that will compete in the 2022 world cup, the squad from asia will not go further than the round of 16, and even then if there is one of the 6 squads that passes from the group stage.

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Quote from: tomos81 on August 20, 2022, 10:25:13 PM

The conditions in this World Cup in Qatar can make a lot of difference for the European teams. Because we all know European teams are never used to playing in such conditions So suddenly adapting them to such conditions will be a very difficult matter However, Asian teams can do well in this World Cup. Because Asian teams are used to playing football regularly in such conditions. But hopefully as footballers are hard workers they will be able to adapt themselves to any situation.

These days the temperature in Europe is way hotter than what the temperature will be in Qatar for the world cup.

There has been 40+ degrees days in Europe while in Qatar it will probably be in the mid twenties.

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The conditions in this World Cup in Qatar can make a lot of difference for the European teams. Because we all know European teams are never used to playing in such conditions So suddenly adapting them to such conditions will be a very difficult matter However, Asian teams can do well in this World Cup. Because Asian teams are used to playing football regularly in such conditions. But hopefully as footballers are hard workers they will be able to adapt themselves to any situation.

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Here are the odds to win the cup in Qatar.

It is somewhat surprising that Argentina is suddenly estimated to be a lot higher, according to the bookmakers. I remember they were around 11 a while ago. What I also think is not right is that England is apparently also seen as one of the big favorites, while they have not shown anything at any World Cup for 30 years. They may have all the star players from City and Liverpool, but with Southgate as the coach, this is likely to be another complete failure. The Netherlands and Portugal are both very low, I think they should both be around 10.0.

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Quote from: inanilujimi on August 20, 2022, 12:46:44 PM

Asian teams may be able to give a surprise like what happened in the 2002 world cup. Asian football is now stronger and more evenly distributed even though they are slightly smaller physically but that is not a significant difference, because we know the world's best players like messi don't have the posture big body to make her the best in the world.

Here I am not agree with you about this Asian teams are not good enough to compete with top European teams as they have no enough quality like them right now few teams are improving but still it is long way to go for them if they want to compete with them the biggest issue is many countries are not able to have good domestic setup which is essential for development and improve of players skills and secondly many countries re not good enough for spending good amount of this game even we can say alone Manchester United budget is higher than many countries total sports budget which is surely not good enough.

Here if Asian want to improve quality then surely they need to bring some revolutionary changes and big sponsors as well for better development and basic infrastructure with this all we have not good management in AFC as well which done positive decisions for bring fair policy as well.

Currently, their condition cannot be compared to teams in Europe, especially if you look at the current pot, it is quite difficult for Asian teams, especially for Middle Eastern countries and Korea or Japan because they have quite a tough opponent in their group.
But that doesn't mean it's hopeless, I think they can still be one of the dark horses at the moment, especially for Korea in group H.

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The world cup is a whole different experience all together, Asian teams are not even as good as European teams and won't even stand a chance against south American and European teams. They might be good playing in Asia but won't go far in a competition against European and South American teams. We shall see how well they will perform in the world cup when they compete against the world best teams.

Asian teams may be able to give a surprise like what happened in the 2002 world cup. Asian football is now stronger and more evenly distributed even though they are slightly smaller physically but that is not a significant difference, because we know the world's best players like messi don't have the posture big body to make her the best in the world.

Here I am not agree with you about this Asian teams are not good enough to compete with top European teams as they have no enough quality like them right now few teams are improving but still it is long way to go for them if they want to compete with them the biggest issue is many countries are not able to have good domestic setup which is essential for development and improve of players skills and secondly many countries re not good enough for spending good amount of this game even we can say alone Manchester United budget is higher than many countries total sports budget which is surely not good enough.

Here if Asian want to improve quality then surely they need to bring some revolutionary changes and big sponsors as well for better development and basic infrastructure with this all we have not good management in AFC as well which done positive decisions for bring fair policy as well.

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No. Nothing, no surprises with Qatar, it is not in that line of surprise characteristics, this situation is similar to the 2010 World Cup when it was expected that South Africa would give some surprise or at least not be eliminated in the first phase, and it became the first host to not pass the phase, well at least Qatar will no longer have that reference. Qatar lose 2 games for sure and maybe draw one, but surely they won't get past the initial phase.

Yeah, I agree.

In Qatar's group I'm pretty sure the The Netherlands and Ecuador will pass to the next stage. Qatar only has a chance to end in 3rd place in that group, competing with Senegal.

I don't see how Qatar could end up first or second in that group.

Miracles can happen... in the same way as in the world olympics where we had the revelation of several unusual and unexpected athletes, why do you believe that the same cannot happen in the world cup?

But realistically, I agree with you that the chances of Qatar making it past the group stage are extremely low, but we can't rule out that possibility.

Ok, +1

Several things to highlight, the Olympic Games are the Olympic Games, it's another story, another level, etc.

In any case, Olympic soccer is in fact a reference, but in general, it results in a vision of the future of how certain teams could be with these "young people" who participate in that Olympic tournament.

On the other hand, no, there are no miracles in the World Cup, so far there have been none, it is what it is, at least to win the World Cup, but in the case of Qatar, I like that you name "probabilities" at the end of your post.
Yes, that is better than using phrase miracle, from that mathematical point of course, even to overcome the first phase the odds are there, but they are still very low.

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Quote from: CryptoPanda on August 20, 2022, 09:37:27 AM

The world cup is a whole different experience all together, Asian teams are not even as good as European teams and won't even stand a chance against south American and European teams. They might be good playing in Asia but won't go far in a competition against European and South American teams. We shall see how well they will perform in the world cup when they compete against the world best teams.

Asian teams may be able to give a surprise like what happened in the 2002 world cup. Asian football is now stronger and more evenly distributed even though they are slightly smaller physically but that is not a significant difference, because we know the world's best players like messi don't have the posture big body to make her the best in the world.

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OK.. this is new information for me. I didn't knew that Qatar are the Asian champions. I checked the stats and found out that they defeated Japan (1-3) to lift the 2019 AFC Asian Cup. And before that they defeated the United Arab Emirates in the semi-finals by a margin of 4-0. Won against South Korea 1-0 in the QF stage as well. These are some of the strongest teams in Asia. If Qatar can win against these teams, then it means that they are not as weak as we have thought. Looking at the results, I believe that they have a good chance against Senegal, and to some degree against Ecuador as well.

I agree, due to the fact that we all mostly follow European football, we have a very poor idea of the strengths of teams from other regions, especially from Asia. By the way, from the point of view of betting, this can lead to the fact that Qatar will be greatly underestimated and a bet on it in separate games will have great value.

That’s mainly because of economy, but also quality of players as well. Arabic nations do have rich owners and could pay a lot of money to get superstars, but it would have to be very slow change since even if they can convince certain players, it won't be the best ones. I mean is there a team owner that could offer Mbappe 60 million a year like PSG can?

I am sure there must be one, but why would Mbappe go there? So slowly it could get better but it would take decades. Instead, we watch European football because teams both have great rich owners, have a lot of income, have a lot of great players, all the entertainment is there right now and make it fun.

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