2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 78.

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Quote from: Altryist on July 02, 2022, 03:43:13 PM

Quote from: snipie on July 02, 2022, 02:37:39 PM

Nations League was a disaster for France and England but I doubt that these clubs will perform poorly in Qatar like they did in NL.
Brazil to be the most favourite is OK. England in the second place? That's a bit exaggerated imo. France is better tho. Argentina isn't that bad and there shouldn't be such difference from England. Portugal? That would be a surprise.

I was surprised how high the bookies rate England's odds, maybe these odds are based on England being a Euro finalist, although it's a bit strange given that Italy doesn't take part in the World Cup finals at all.

I'm also surprised that the odds for Germany is so different from France and the same England, which in the last matches looked very weak. The fact that Brazil is the bookmaker's favorite is to be expected, they love it.

Most of the time bookmakers need one or two teams for trap odds, so this is happening here in England case because we all know how they perform in these events for many decades and there is nothing new happening this time as well no chance for them to even have any place in last four they are unpredictable and never give their best at top level their domestic setup is one of best in world with too many trophies and achievements happening, but they fail to give their best in Euro and World Cup.

Most chances this time World cup is going to South America as their both top level teams are in good position, specially Brazil was amazing in qualified rounds, and they can go through here as well for this year's title.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 03, 2022, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 02, 2022, 04:53:59 PM

England is good, but way too volatile. Besides that, I also have my thoughts about the quality of the coach. An inexperienced coach who has never achieved anything anywhere. You can never become World Champion with that. France has had a poor preparation so far, but that's not saying much. Brazil has a very strong team, but it wouldn't surprise me if Argentina takes the title. After all, a title suits the best football player in the world, Messi.

Personally, I think that England was very close to the title at the last world and European championships, and I don't think that their coach is that bad. England is certainly one of the favorites of the competition.
The main problem for France is the problems in the relationship between the main players in the team and the coach without much authority. If they manage to solve it by the time of the world championship, they will again be one of the main favorites for the title.
I think that Brazil currently has a better team than Argentina. Argentina depends too much on Messi.

It's true what you said, it's not good for the national team to depend a lot on one player. If the players who are relied on can be stopped from moving, they will have difficulties in developing the game. Actually Argentina have a line of quality names, but I don't know if they play for a country they don't really see. That's a real problem for them.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on July 02, 2022, 04:53:59 PM

England is good, but way too volatile. Besides that, I also have my thoughts about the quality of the coach. An inexperienced coach who has never achieved anything anywhere. You can never become World Champion with that. France has had a poor preparation so far, but that's not saying much. Brazil has a very strong team, but it wouldn't surprise me if Argentina takes the title. After all, a title suits the best football player in the world, Messi.

Personally, I think that England was very close to the title at the last world and European championships, and I don't think that their coach is that bad. England is certainly one of the favorites of the competition.
The main problem for France is the problems in the relationship between the main players in the team and the coach without much authority. If they manage to solve it by the time of the world championship, they will again be one of the main favorites for the title.
I think that Brazil currently has a better team than Argentina. Argentina depends too much on Messi.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 01, 2022, 05:45:59 PM

France being "out of shape" makes no sense to me, that is not a good defense and I think it is not real at all. We should be realizing that they would be getting a lot more fit before the world cup as well, they will literally be playing both league games and also nation league games and some may even play champions league and other stuff. All which would be proof enough that they would be super ready by November comes.

Definitely it is not going to be too easy on France to win it all, I am not saying it's guaranteed, but how they are right now and how they are in November will be quite different. This is why it is important to realize they will be fit, and their chemistry will be on point for sure.

France do have a number of talented players. But nothing can be done if the team bonding is not right. And there were some ugly incidents between some of the players (Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba & Adrien Rabiot), which I mentioned in one of my previous posts. How can we expect this team to play with good cohesion after such incidents? The main problem with France is that their players are too selfish (this was the point made by Veronique Rabiot, the mother of Adrien Rabiot). The same can be said about Belgium as well.

That's a problem for the team, if unity is absent then there is no team work, and to win games easily and win trophies you need much team work. The world cup is bigger than any player, the manager should be able to unite this players and make them settle their differences and play as one if they want to have a chance at the World Cup come September.

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England is good, but way too volatile. Besides that, I also have my thoughts about the quality of the coach. An inexperienced coach who has never achieved anything anywhere. You can never become World Champion with that. France has had a poor preparation so far, but that's not saying much. Brazil has a very strong team, but it wouldn't surprise me if Argentina takes the title. After all, a title suits the best football player in the world, Messi.

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Quote from: Altryist on July 02, 2022, 03:43:13 PM

Quote from: snipie on July 02, 2022, 02:37:39 PM

Nations League was a disaster for France and England but I doubt that these clubs will perform poorly in Qatar like they did in NL.
Brazil to be the most favourite is OK. England in the second place? That's a bit exaggerated imo. France is better tho. Argentina isn't that bad and there shouldn't be such difference from England. Portugal? That would be a surprise.

I was surprised how high the bookies rate England's odds, maybe these odds are based on England being a Euro finalist, although it's a bit strange given that Italy doesn't take part in the World Cup finals at all.

I'm also surprised that the odds for Germany is so different from France and the same England, which in the last matches looked very weak. The fact that Brazil is the bookmaker's favorite is to be expected, they love it.

It may seem strange that England gets such odds from the bookmakers, but that story has 2 sides. On the one hand, England have achieved absolutely nothing in the last 30 years while having the best competition in the world. And all/most top players play in the English league anyway. Just look at teams like City and Liverpool, and also United and Chelsea. Still, the chemistry isn't there when they play as a team. Last year they were almost European champions, but they have not shown more in recent years.

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Quote from: Altryist on July 02, 2022, 03:43:13 PM

Quote from: snipie on July 02, 2022, 02:37:39 PM

Nations League was a disaster for France and England but I doubt that these clubs will perform poorly in Qatar like they did in NL.
Brazil to be the most favourite is OK. England in the second place? That's a bit exaggerated imo. France is better tho. Argentina isn't that bad and there shouldn't be such difference from England. Portugal? That would be a surprise.

I was surprised how high the bookies rate England's odds, maybe these odds are based on England being a Euro finalist, although it's a bit strange given that Italy doesn't take part in the World Cup finals at all.

I'm also surprised that the odds for Germany is so different from France and the same England, which in the last matches looked very weak. The fact that Brazil is the bookmaker's favorite is to be expected, they love it.

Earlier I used to think Soccer is a fare game and there is no fixing in it. LOL - -But in every sports bookies play their part.
But is it possible the real team wins the match with out match fixing? I am curious to know...

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Quote from: snipie on July 02, 2022, 02:37:39 PM

Nations League was a disaster for France and England but I doubt that these clubs will perform poorly in Qatar like they did in NL.
Brazil to be the most favourite is OK. England in the second place? That's a bit exaggerated imo. France is better tho. Argentina isn't that bad and there shouldn't be such difference from England. Portugal? That would be a surprise.

I was surprised how high the bookies rate England's odds, maybe these odds are based on England being a Euro finalist, although it's a bit strange given that Italy doesn't take part in the World Cup finals at all.

I'm also surprised that the odds for Germany is so different from France and the same England, which in the last matches looked very weak. The fact that Brazil is the bookmaker's favorite is to be expected, they love it.

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Quote from: doomloop on July 02, 2022, 02:45:50 PM

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This is an old story and things like this should have returned to normal because if I'm not mistaken you are referring to the debate that took place after their elimination at the Euros, right? I think things like this are now less of a problem. It would be really funny if famous players like them still took care of trivial matters just because of their ego.
At the moment France's difficulties are the same as before and this is still difficult for Deschamps to fix

Maybe you are right but still things are heated between these players and surely these things are never been good for any national team because few years back we have some things like this in Spain team, and they were completely crap even having some most skilled and quality players in their squad. French management need to talk players and have some serious check on these things if they want to win something big in international level in presence of these great players.

Discipline is key for success in any game or place so if they feel any player is creating problems then surely they need to skip him for better future and result of team this can bring some good environment in their squad for future as well no player is bigger than country.

As far as I have seen till now and seen from the games in the League of Nations we can see that they are actually quite good in terms of communication and even if I am not mistaken Rabiot has also confirmed this from last year and their relationship is fine.
What they need now is a good strategy because Deschamps so far has only been groping for the strength of the game from France.

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Quote from: bekti3 on July 02, 2022, 02:19:36 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 10:55:21 PM

France do have a number of talented players. But nothing can be done if the team bonding is not right. And there were some ugly incidents between some of the players (Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba & Adrien Rabiot), which I mentioned in one of my previous posts. How can we expect this team to play with good cohesion after such incidents? The main problem with France is that their players are too selfish (this was the point made by Veronique Rabiot, the mother of Adrien Rabiot). The same can be said about Belgium as well.

This is an old story and things like this should have returned to normal because if I'm not mistaken you are referring to the debate that took place after their elimination at the Euros, right? I think things like this are now less of a problem. It would be really funny if famous players like them still took care of trivial matters just because of their ego.
At the moment France's difficulties are the same as before and this is still difficult for Deschamps to fix

Maybe you are right but still things are heated between these players and surely these things are never been good for any national team because few years back we have some things like this in Spain team, and they were completely crap even having some most skilled and quality players in their squad. French management need to talk players and have some serious check on these things if they want to win something big in international level in presence of these great players.

Discipline is key for success in any game or place so if they feel any player is creating problems then surely they need to skip him for better future and result of team this can bring some good environment in their squad for future as well no player is bigger than country.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 02, 2022, 02:26:32 PM

Sure. On the one hand, I agree with you, but on the other hand, bookmakers are already taking bets on that event with might and main. Here is a group of favorites:

Brazil 5.50

England 6.55

France 7.00

Spain 8.95

Argentina 8.95

Germany 11.90

Portugal 13.00

Netherlands 13.00

Belgium 13.10

If I remember correctly, the last time I looked at the quotes, Brazil and England were on the same level, and France lagged behind quite a bit. It turns out that the games in the League of Nations had a negative impact on the chances of European teams.

Nations League was a disaster for France and England but I doubt that these clubs will perform poorly in Qatar like they did in NL.
Brazil to be the most favourite is OK. England in the second place? That's a bit exaggerated imo. France is better tho. Argentina isn't that bad and there shouldn't be such difference from England. Portugal? That would be a surprise.

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Quote from: Naficopa on July 01, 2022, 04:06:57 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 01, 2022, 03:07:16 PM

2 million is not so little, for example, Iceland with a population of just over 300 thousand people relatively recently got to the final part of the World Cup, and reached the quarter-finals at the European Championship. There will also be surprises at this World Cup, maybe not from such small teams, but I wouldn't be surprised if some African team makes it to the later stages of the tournament.

Too early to conclude who is going to win and who will reach to the top.
Once the teams will enter the ground that will show how they are going to perform.

Sure. On the one hand, I agree with you, but on the other hand, bookmakers are already taking bets on that event with might and main. Here is a group of favorites:

Brazil 5.50

England 6.55

France 7.00

Spain 8.95

Argentina 8.95

Germany 11.90

Portugal 13.00

Netherlands 13.00

Belgium 13.10

If I remember correctly, the last time I looked at the quotes, Brazil and England were on the same level, and France lagged behind quite a bit. It turns out that the games in the League of Nations had a negative impact on the chances of European teams.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 10:55:21 PM

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France being "out of shape" makes no sense to me, that is not a good defense and I think it is not real at all. We should be realizing that they would be getting a lot more fit before the world cup as well, they will literally be playing both league games and also nation league games and some may even play champions league and other stuff. All which would be proof enough that they would be super ready by November comes.

Definitely it is not going to be too easy on France to win it all, I am not saying it's guaranteed, but how they are right now and how they are in November will be quite different. This is why it is important to realize they will be fit, and their chemistry will be on point for sure.

France do have a number of talented players. But nothing can be done if the team bonding is not right. And there were some ugly incidents between some of the players (Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba & Adrien Rabiot), which I mentioned in one of my previous posts. How can we expect this team to play with good cohesion after such incidents? The main problem with France is that their players are too selfish (this was the point made by Veronique Rabiot, the mother of Adrien Rabiot). The same can be said about Belgium as well.

This is an old story and things like this should have returned to normal because if I'm not mistaken you are referring to the debate that took place after their elimination at the Euros, right? I think things like this are now less of a problem. It would be really funny if famous players like them still took care of trivial matters just because of their ego.
At the moment France's difficulties are the same as before and this is still difficult for Deschamps to fix

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Belgium is no longer one of the favorites, according to the bookmaker. That was different 4 years ago at the world championships. If you compare that team to now, it is almost the same team. Only Hazard was injured. They also failed at the European Championships. If Belgium wants to win something, it has to happen this year. The 1-4 defeat against the Netherlands was for the Nations league. Belgium is a team that can beat anyone but also can lose. I'm sticking to Brazil this time. Or France. I think both countries also have the positive factor.

Brazil 🇧🇷 are top favorites for the World Cup. They have won five times more than any other country.
Argentina🇦🇷 are next in line, they have been good recently, even with the winnings, Argentina are my second favorites.
Portugal 🇵🇹 comes next, The Portuguese team has been another good side but they have some big pot holes to fill, I don't see them coach as a good tactician for the World Cup. Belgium still maintain the top four position in the Male Fifa World Ranking bit that doesn't play them as favorites to win the World Cup.

Interesting choice, but you failed to mention that Brazil has not been a world champion for 20 years, nor has any other South American national team.
In the last 20 years, European football has made great progress, both on the club and representative level, while South American football has stagnated.
South American clubs also regularly lose to European clubs in the finals of the World Club Championship, as well as South American national teams in world championships.
I still remember the disaster that Brazil experienced with Neymar at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil against Germany in the semi-finals.
As for Argentina, it's a one man show and they really depend too much on Messi.
For me, the main favorites are France, Spain, Germany and England.

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Quote from: Bobrox on July 01, 2022, 11:51:56 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 10:55:21 PM

France do have a number of talented players. But nothing can be done if the team bonding is not right. And there were some ugly incidents between some of the players (Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba & Adrien Rabiot), which I mentioned in one of my previous posts. How can we expect this team to play with good cohesion after such incidents? The main problem with France is that their players are too selfish (this was the point made by Veronique Rabiot, the mother of Adrien Rabiot). The same can be said about Belgium as well.

Have bad relationship between Kylian Mbappé and Adrien Rabiot will give bad reputation for France national country on 202 FIFA World Cup in Qatar, we know how bad their relationship after France failed on EURO 2020 last several years and until right now both them still not have good relationship. But I believe France as favorite country on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar because they have many talented on all position line, begin with goal keeper have Mike Maignan, Hugo Lloris and defender with Varane, Presnel Kimpembe and many have option have by Didier Deschamps as France manager how to get good scheme line up on World Cup. I think if keep try with consistent performance France have chance to get World Cup trophy back to back.

A little talk about the importance of harmonization among the national team players, it is quite interesting to discuss. But sometimes their rivalry when defending a team in the league is also felt until they play for their country. I took the example of the England national team a few years ago, they could be said to have failed despite having very quality players, because of their rivalry at the club they brought to the national team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 10:55:21 PM

France do have a number of talented players. But nothing can be done if the team bonding is not right. And there were some ugly incidents between some of the players (Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba & Adrien Rabiot), which I mentioned in one of my previous posts. How can we expect this team to play with good cohesion after such incidents? The main problem with France is that their players are too selfish (this was the point made by Veronique Rabiot, the mother of Adrien Rabiot). The same can be said about Belgium as well.

Have bad relationship between Kylian Mbappé and Adrien Rabiot will give bad reputation for France national country on 202 FIFA World Cup in Qatar, we know how bad their relationship after France failed on EURO 2020 last several years and until right now both them still not have good relationship. But I believe France as favorite country on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar because they have many talented on all position line, begin with goal keeper have Mike Maignan, Hugo Lloris and defender with Varane, Presnel Kimpembe and many have option have by Didier Deschamps as France manager how to get good scheme line up on World Cup. I think if keep try with consistent performance France have chance to get World Cup trophy back to back.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 01, 2022, 05:45:59 PM

France being "out of shape" makes no sense to me, that is not a good defense and I think it is not real at all. We should be realizing that they would be getting a lot more fit before the world cup as well, they will literally be playing both league games and also nation league games and some may even play champions league and other stuff. All which would be proof enough that they would be super ready by November comes.

Definitely it is not going to be too easy on France to win it all, I am not saying it's guaranteed, but how they are right now and how they are in November will be quite different. This is why it is important to realize they will be fit, and their chemistry will be on point for sure.

France do have a number of talented players. But nothing can be done if the team bonding is not right. And there were some ugly incidents between some of the players (Kylian Mbappé, Paul Pogba & Adrien Rabiot), which I mentioned in one of my previous posts. How can we expect this team to play with good cohesion after such incidents? The main problem with France is that their players are too selfish (this was the point made by Veronique Rabiot, the mother of Adrien Rabiot). The same can be said about Belgium as well.

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Belgium is no longer one of the favorites, according to the bookmaker. That was different 4 years ago at the world championships. If you compare that team to now, it is almost the same team. Only Hazard was injured. They also failed at the European Championships. If Belgium wants to win something, it has to happen this year. The 1-4 defeat against the Netherlands was for the Nations league. Belgium is a team that can beat anyone but also can lose. I'm sticking to Brazil this time. Or France. I think both countries also have the positive factor.

Brazil 🇧🇷 are top favorites for the World Cup. They have won five times more than any other country.
Argentina🇦🇷 are next in line, they have been good recently, even with the winnings, Argentina are my second favorites.
Portugal 🇵🇹 comes next, The Portuguese team has been another good side but they have some big pot holes to fill, I don't see them coach as a good tactician for the World Cup. Belgium still maintain the top four position in the Male Fifa World Ranking bit that doesn't play them as favorites to win the World Cup.

Most of the time we have Brazil favorite in any conditions because we all know about them, they are mostly natural great players, and they have one more advantage than others they adjusted very quickly in all conditions which is amazing stuff from them just because of this they are favorite for this world cup as well even nothing is sure any team can do upset, and we can have champion which is in not good book for most peoples.

With most of European teams are currently struggling and having issues in their strength, but we can't rule out any team from having championship in their hands Asian and Africans are still not good enough for having any good chance for title because they are not near to these quality teams but in last few years we have some good results from Africans which is good, and it's all due to their good export into UEFA where Asians are completely fail.

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France being "out of shape" makes no sense to me, that is not a good defense and I think it is not real at all. We should be realizing that they would be getting a lot more fit before the world cup as well, they will literally be playing both league games and also nation league games and some may even play champions league and other stuff. All which would be proof enough that they would be super ready by November comes.

Definitely it is not going to be too easy on France to win it all, I am not saying it's guaranteed, but how they are right now and how they are in November will be quite different. This is why it is important to realize they will be fit, and their chemistry will be on point for sure.

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Quote from: Joca97 on July 01, 2022, 05:28:10 PM

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Belgium is no longer one of the favorites, according to the bookmaker. That was different 4 years ago at the world championships. If you compare that team to now, it is almost the same team. Only Hazard was injured. They also failed at the European Championships. If Belgium wants to win something, it has to happen this year. The 1-4 defeat against the Netherlands was for the Nations league. Belgium is a team that can beat anyone but also can lose. I'm sticking to Brazil this time. Or France. I think both countries also have the positive factor.

Nations league dosent matter much because no body is 100% serious in this kind of matches. Belgium was always in the quarters or semifinals but i really see them as one of the favorites due to the amazing team that they have this year for the world cup

True, and indeed this is still one of the things that can be questioned whether their strength is just like that or is it just holding back, especially if we look at the fact that for the Nations League it is not only Belgium who are not playing well but Germany, England and France too. .
It would be great if their notion of holding back and not playing at full strength is true because otherwise they won't be playing well with that kind of readiness in the world cup.

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