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⭐Name: Mixer1.money
🔹Clearnet link: https://mixer1.money

Is it the same guy behind the old Mixer.money – bitcoin mixer | oчиcткa bitcoin | pyccкaя пoддepжкa

If you visit mixer1.money, you're now redirected to mixer.money
If you visit Jambler.io's website, they also changed the URL

Not so important. I haven't find a scam accusation when Mixer.money disappeared but it's a weird case

Perhaps not the same guy, but just the person behind mixer1.money bought mixer.money

Domain Name: mlxer.money mixer.money
Creation Date: 2023-06-12
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🔹Minimum amount: 1 satoshi
This is long outdated, the minimum is 0.001BTC (which makes more sense than 1 sat, considering on-chain fees).
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Anonymixer.com is back on track so I added it to the list.

TLTR:
The server got covid19, but it has been vaccinated since. No need for a mask now.
  Cheesy

The website was fighting with a huge DDOS attack and since they refuse absolutely to use any MITM service (Cloudflare and co.)
I admit I should be used with DDOS stuff with BTC mixers but the service didn't stop to appear and disappear and when it disappeared, it was during several days.
The Tor version should be more stable with the latest POW code. If the system is dynamic, the difficulty is adapted to the attack's volume

for reference:

⭐Name: Anonymixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://anonymixer.com
🔹Tor link: btcmixer2e3pkn64eb5m65un5nypat4mje27er4ymltzshkmujmxlmyd.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 2% (+ Network fee is dynamic depending on the mempool)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC

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Corrected, thanks.
It was a copy-paste from an outdated LeGaulois

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Well, it's good news that they are trying to do something, but the question is still, if they are going to actually succeed. And in fact, I don't have so much hope, especially in view of the major defeats of the FOSS community in general last years. In your quote they are talking about "the next few weeks", so let's see what happens in a few weeks.
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==> https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg12637.html

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Action should have been taken months ago. Spam filtration has been a standard part of Bitcoin Core since day 1. It's a mistake that the existing filters weren't extended to Taproot transactions. We can address that, or try a more narrow approach like OP_RETURN (ie, what "Ordisrespector" does). Since this is a bugfix, it doesn't really even need to wait for a major release.

(We already have pruning. It's not an alternative to spam filtering.)

Luke

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Hi guys,

I think everyone on this list knows what has happened to the Bitcoin mempool during the past 96 hours. Due to side projects such as BRC-20 having such a high volume, real bitcoin transactions are being priced out and that is what is causing the massive congestion that has arguable not been seen since December 2017. I do not count the March 2021 congestion because that was only with 1-5sat/vbyte.

Such justifiably worthless ("worthless" is not even my word - that's how its creator described them[1]) tokens threaten the smooth and normal use of the Bitcoin network as a peer-to-pear digital currency, as it was intended to be used as.

If the volume does not die down over the next few weeks, should we take an action? The bitcoin network is a triumvirate of developers, miners, and users. Considering that miners are largely the entities at fault for allowing the system to be abused like this, the harmony of Bitcoin transactions is being disrupted right now. Although this community has a strong history of not putting its fingers into pies unless absolutely necessary - an example being during the block size wars and Segwit - should similar action be taken now, in the form of i) BIPs and/or ii) commits into the Bitcoin Core codebase, to curtail the loophole in BIP 342 (which defines the validation rules for Taproot scripts) which has allowed these unintended consequences?

An alternative would be to enforce this "censorship" at the node level and introduce a run-time option to instantly prune all non-standard Taproot transactions. This will be easier to implement, but won't hit the road until minimum next release.

I know that some people will have their criticisms about this, absolutists/libertarians/maximum-freedom advocates, which is fine, but we need to find a solution for this that fits everyone's common ground. We indirectly allowed this to happen, which previously wasn't possible before. So we also have a responsibility to do something to ensure that this kind of congestion can never happen again using Taproot.

-Ali



To be honest, I don't care about the Bitcoin price, I currently don't know it. :/
That's something I check 3/4 times per year
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The problem with the fees will fade, not the first time we see it
I doubt it will. Yes, it happened before, but previously it was caused by completely opposite reasons. Previously it was caused by problems in official, fiat-based economy, the loss of trust to the official money after the 2020 US elections manipulation. Everyone wanted to really buy bitcoins to secure their savings that didn't look so secure anymore if still kept in official money. Once the increased demand was satisfied, the problem with fees faded indeed.

This time, the problem is caused by problems of bitcoin itself, by bitcoin community's inability to resist and eliminate ordinals. I don't see any signs of bitcoin community gaining such power in a foreseeable future, so I expect mempool clogging will persist. By the way, every time the mempool gets especially clogged with ordinals (in February and now), the bitcoin price goes down, just like (if) it makes the loss of power obvious to the bitcoin community.
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Hi @LeGaulois -

⭐Name: Whirlwind.money
🔹Clearnet link: http://whirlwind.money
🔹Tor link: whirlwct7ertqae6i7ivsm475kgia6v67zzxevgzkilykknrjke33cqd.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.25 to 4% + the network fees (0.0001 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC

Could you update our fees in the first post? Currently we do not charge any network fees and the donation is completely optional. Thanks in advance!
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Thanks.
Shame on me I didn't remember about him, while I replied to him ~2 months ago
I guess that's what we call " to start to be old" Cheesy very promising...

No idea why such members are not just perma banned. It's not the type of thing that deserves a 2nd chance or something around

(if he edits the post on May 9, I bet it will be to include a blog post link talking about the scam bitblender.ai)
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Looks like Ganicanz is being a dickhead (again): they've edited one of their posts to include (homographic) phishing links. Angry

Be careful with the below BBCode, I'm only including it here for anyone that's curious. (I've reported the post and I'm guessing it'll be deleted soon.)

Original BBCode (March 09, 2023, 09:37:04 AM):

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[quote author=Ganicanz link=topic=2827109.msg61881923#msg61881923 date=1678354624]
chipmixer + cryptomixer + wasabi wallet = best choice fox mix your coins  8)
[/quote]

Edited BBCode (March 24, 2023, 08:44:59 PM):

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[quote author=Ganicanz link=topic=2827109.msg61881923#msg61881923 date=1679690699]
[url=https://chipmixẹr.com]chipmixer.com[/url] + [url=https://cryptomíxer.io]cryptomixer.io[/url] + wasabi wallet = best choice fox mix your coins  8)
[/quote]

I see LoyceV left them negative feedback for doing the same thing a while back. I wonder why they haven't been banned yet?
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None of them.
Years back, bitblender had an option to use LN to give a lightning invoice on the withdraw page.

The LN is more or less already a mixer

(https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2019-October/002245.html)


The problem with the fees will fade, not the first time we see it and a mixer will adjust the network fees if he think it needs to be done (like they did before)
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Do any of these mixers use lightning network? With mempool currently being congested, and fees astronomically high, lightning network would be a huge relief right now, especially for coins sent out of the mixers. I feel like mixers/tumblers might use low fees by default, and have you waiting 4 days or more for your transaction to confirm/arrive in your wallet
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Anonymixer decided to give up with its service. It was often down lately but after several days, I think it's the end.
Probably the same goes with mixer1.money, it's down, but I will wait a bit.

Do you remember the bitcoin mixer Helix? The owner had been arrested about 3 years ago.
Well, last week his brother has been sentenced to 4 years in jail for stealing cryptos that was subject to forfeiture (the cryptos of Helix).
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-sentenced-stealing-over-712-bitcoin-subject-forfeiture

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used his brother’s credentials to recreate the bitcoin wallets stored on the device and covertly transfer more than 712 bitcoin, valued at approximately $4.8 million at the time, to his own wallets – stealing those funds and obstructing the pending criminal forfeiture proceeding. xxxxxxxxxxx further laundered the proceeds through two online bitcoin mixer services before using the laundered bitcoins to finance large purchases and other expenditures.
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Or do you mean, you are suggesting to repost this detailed opinion from the ANN thread to the thread where they are "collecting opinions"? I am new at this forum, I don't know what is common here.
It's better to keep the discussion in one place but it's split up already. I'd say your current post is fine Smiley
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Can you share your view on this post?
In brief, I think that the approach by whirlwind.money is not a reliable defence against cloudfare's MITM. I already wrote some more details in whirlwind.money's ANN thread, here.

Or do you mean, you are suggesting to repost this detailed opinion from the ANN thread to the thread where they are "collecting opinions"? I am new at this forum, I don't know what is common here.
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2. whirlwind.money and puremixer.io don't show the cloudfare's anti-TOR page, but the IP addresses these domain names point to still belong to cloudfare, which raises the same suspects as in part 2 of my previous message.
Can you share your view on this post?
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I have checked the webpages of the 4 recently added mixers, and all of them look cloudfare-related.

1. webmixer.io and whir.to show the standard cloudfare's anti-TOR page, the traffic is definitely MITMed by cloudfare.

2. whirlwind.money and puremixer.io don't show the cloudfare's anti-TOR page, but the IP addresses these domain names point to still belong to cloudfare, which raises the same suspects as in part 2 of my previous message.

Summarizing, there is only one mixer in the list left that does not show signs of the traffic being MITMed by a "ddos protection system", anonymixer.com, but now it looks dead, neiter the clearnet page nor the tor page works. All alive mixers show weaker or stronger sings of MITM.

By the way, the link to anonymixer.com's thread at this forum in the opening post does not really link anywhere. It's just plain text, not a real link.
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I give information, not advices. People have a brain and shall use it.

A lie doesn't mean a scam to me, (even if I see it as a not correct method to do business) otherwise there are a couple of services I could label as a scam. I could also say a service marketing itself as "the best mixer" is a lie, so a scam (because the best mixer is the one in my signature space, we all know that Cheesy Grin).
It's not the first time I see a mixer using this pop up, I consider it as a marketing trick to make the service looking popular

Me, compensating the victims? So when a website is fully functionnal and months laters it scams people I shall pay too?
Let me spin your idea. What about people compensating me all the money that I've spend on different things? No, right?
(There is 1 mixer launched recently who offered me to cover the cost for something and I refused anyway)

I tested this website as I usually do, and it worked

https://blockstream.info/address/bc1qwszhjwd5nwz2gfyn38cl4jh8kxmw8zju06nqau
https://blockstream.info/address/3Bk9cw7TP5rb3XDrN5LnkyZ4X618tUXHPV





Thanks for trying our bitcoin mixer Whir.to and for adding it to your list. Anyone who needs to anonymise bitcoins is more than welcome to use our service.
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I give information, not advices. People have a brain and shall use it.

A lie doesn't mean a scam to me, (even if I see it as a not correct method to do business) otherwise there are a couple of services I could label as a scam. I could also say a service marketing itself as "the best mixer" is a lie, so a scam (because the best mixer is the one in my signature space, we all know that Cheesy Grin).
It's not the first time I see a mixer using this pop up, I consider it as a marketing trick to make the service looking popular

Me, compensating the victims? So when a website is fully functionnal and months laters it scams people I shall pay too?
Let me spin your idea. What about people compensating me all the money that I've spend on different things? No, right?
(There is 1 mixer launched recently who offered me to cover the cost for something and I refused anyway)

I tested this website as I usually do, and it worked

https://blockstream.info/address/bc1qwszhjwd5nwz2gfyn38cl4jh8kxmw8zju06nqau
https://blockstream.info/address/3Bk9cw7TP5rb3XDrN5LnkyZ4X618tUXHPV



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I'm adding it to the list but to be honest, something doesn't look right to me

LeGaulois, adding the mixer to the list is your stamp of approval. Why would you add it to the list if you have evidence that it is a scam?

My main concern is that creating a mixer is an easy way to scam people. With all of these new recommendations, I wonder if any have really been vetted.

I think that a person who recommends a mixer should also provide some kind of guarantee, so that if the site turns out to be a scam, the person who recommended it must compensate the victims.

⭐Name: Whir.to

I certainly do not trust whir.to. The mixer is recommended by someone whose only post on this site is that recommendation.

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I'm adding it to the list but to be honest, something doesn't look right to me

I'm talking about

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I've been on the website for about 1 minute and I've see the box saying me 0.xx btc has been mixed at least 4 times.
And I know for a fact it's not true.
 
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