One can only expect the odds for Trump to get lower and the Biden's increasing with such a shameless and pitiful mistake the president committed during the NATO summit, to be honest.
As if the narrative of Biden not being aware of his surroundings was not big and strong enough already, he goes on the stage and calls the president of Ukraine "Putin" and says his vice president is Donald Trump (he mixed up Kamala Harris with his main opponent in the political season this year).
I try to stay neutral and not to allow the bias to take over what I think about someone or anything, but truly Joe Biden is making very hard to continue to support him when their adversaries seem to be right when comes to his cognitive state.
If this continues, I easily see the vetting markets leaning even further in favor of Trump. I am even thinking on placing a small bet on him instead a serious one on Biden.
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I've heard the theory, call it a conspiracy theory if you like, that it was actually important people in the Democratic party who convinced Biden to hold the debate now, which is never usually held this early, so that he would embarrass himself, as he did, and be forced to drop out, giving way to someone who could stand up to Trump, like Michelle Obama or others. He clearly has the beginnings of senile dementia or something, but he doesn't want to retire and he is the most powerful man in the world. So I don't think it's a far-fetched theory.
Keeping in mind how politics has gotten there in the United States and how desperate some factions on the left are getting in order to keep Trump away from power again, I would not be surprised if in later years it is revealed that indeed there was a mini coup within the high rank of the democrat party in order to replace Joe Biden. I have already seen some independent left media to call for Biden to resign his candidacy and step aside for the good of the country, that being said, there is a huge contrast to what the establishment part of the country and the corporate media is saying about the debate. MSCBC, for example seems to be going with the narrative that the debate was not big deal and it does not actually show whether a person is able to hold the position, they are also other news anchors which comment this was the least viewed presidential debate in history and so on. Ironically, those same corporate news media praised Joe Biden when he managed to steer the State of the Union in a very clever and well calculated manner.
By the way, There is not chance the Democrat party picks Michelle Obama as a possible replacement for Biden.
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Also, that is something I don't fully understand yet about the debate and his organization in general... Biden was the one who called for it taking place, openly daring Trump to debate him once or twice and Trump accepted to have the debate under the initial conditions put on the table by Biden. After all this mess, it was revealed that Biden actually is well articulated and skillful from the morning to the early night (not beyond 7 pm, local time) if that is the case then that could explain why he did so well in the State of the Union address and and could not keep things together in this presidential debate. If his staff and the team of his campaign is aware he performs worse after certain hours, I can only especulate why they decided to have the debate in a schedule which turned out to be unfavourable for their own boss and campaign leader. How small are the chances there is a mole in that team. ?
I've heard the theory, call it a conspiracy theory if you like, that it was actually important people in the Democratic party who convinced Biden to hold the debate now, which is never usually held this early, so that he would embarrass himself, as he did, and be forced to drop out, giving way to someone who could stand up to Trump, like Michelle Obama or others. He clearly has the beginnings of senile dementia or something, but he doesn't want to retire and he is the most powerful man in the world. So I don't think it's a far-fetched theory.
Think the reason why Michelle is seen as something like a favourite compared to other candidates is that last time USA had a decent president, it was Obama, and people are missing those days. He was last president in 2016 I think, and that is why I think people want to see something normal yet again. I can't say if Michelle would be a good president or not, but the bar is so low right now that any person you stop on the road, any random stranger, may actually do better than these two we have.
So, it is not really that weird to say Michelle Obama would be a better president than both of them combined. Hell, Harris, Newsom, Bernie, hell even Hillary would be better than these two now. So, it is quite clear that people just miss the good old days and that is why they want to vote for a name they remember.
Plus, it would be a person of colour and also a woman who wins it for the first time ever, USA is a bit behind the times with how they have never elected a woman before. I find it hard to believe that there were no women in their history so far that wasn't capable of running the nation better than the men.
So, it is not really that weird to say Michelle Obama would be a better president than both of them combined. Hell, Harris, Newsom, Bernie, hell even Hillary would be better than these two now. So, it is quite clear that people just miss the good old days and that is why they want to vote for a name they remember.
Plus, it would be a person of colour and also a woman who wins it for the first time ever, USA is a bit behind the times with how they have never elected a woman before. I find it hard to believe that there were no women in their history so far that wasn't capable of running the nation better than the men.
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Also, that is something I don't fully understand yet about the debate and his organization in general... Biden was the one who called for it taking place, openly daring Trump to debate him once or twice and Trump accepted to have the debate under the initial conditions put on the table by Biden. After all this mess, it was revealed that Biden actually is well articulated and skillful from the morning to the early night (not beyond 7 pm, local time) if that is the case then that could explain why he did so well in the State of the Union address and and could not keep things together in this presidential debate. If his staff and the team of his campaign is aware he performs worse after certain hours, I can only especulate why they decided to have the debate in a schedule which turned out to be unfavourable for their own boss and campaign leader. How small are the chances there is a mole in that team. ?
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In the question on the lies of Trump are a more difficult task to approach, because he tells so many lies that the debate could be easily derailed of any moderator stopped just to fact check the stuff he is doing and because he tells so many lies, the people on the right would not like to see how Trump gets corrected by Joe Biden is not corrected by the moderator. Still, it is not an excuse for allowing someone like Trump to like on national Televiaion as he did. At least, CNN could have displayed some disclaimer or popup each time Trump said a lie so the viewers would not be directly bombarded with conspiracy theories about how the elections of four years ago was "stolen from him".
Biden still can recover, though, there seems to be already conversations to replace him because of his performance.
As for CNN, I believe they acted professionally enough and they can't start stopping and correcting every lie of Donald Trump at that moment. If they did, it would be too messy and time-consuming on that day which I believe will not serve the show, the purpose and the company any better. The best is to hold on and letter fact-checked the situation which they later did and refutted as well.
Trump had the talking points, he has some bizarre appeal from his manner of speaking. I think its funny if anything but it appeals to the masses which is what gets votes, its not an elitist system its literally about the mass of people. Also some say Trump would have never have got the national appeal if not for his popular TV show running upto the point he began his run for office.
Biden of the two is more logical by far, its almost default for the running mate or Vice president to follow on from the tenue of the Prior President so of course Biden. The only detail was Clinton got Biden to give way for her run even though he by rights had first call on the job.
This political pointless diversion as it turned out added on another 4 years wait and to Biden's age when coming to office, he was already the longest Senator in office I think and his age at first was seen as a good counter to Obama being seen as too young. Nominations dont come from the people so much as backing from the party and all the deals done to allow people to stand in the first place.
Biden of the two is more logical by far, its almost default for the running mate or Vice president to follow on from the tenue of the Prior President so of course Biden. The only detail was Clinton got Biden to give way for her run even though he by rights had first call on the job.
This political pointless diversion as it turned out added on another 4 years wait and to Biden's age when coming to office, he was already the longest Senator in office I think and his age at first was seen as a good counter to Obama being seen as too young. Nominations dont come from the people so much as backing from the party and all the deals done to allow people to stand in the first place.
We did have more people than Trump campaigned to be president in 2016 before he was elected, so there was a possibility that Republicans could have elected as their nominee for presidency that wasn't Trump, and yet they still preferred Trump for some reason, no idea why which is definitely a confusing part.
Same goes for Biden, in 2020 they had to elect someone as nominee to go against Trump, and for some reason they elected Biden, which let's say in 2020 he was alright, or in 2019, but then it's obvious now that he barely can speak, why would he still be the nominee? Not only people should have picked another nominee, but he also should have stepped down after his first term is over. All in all, it was PEOPLE who elected these two, they got the votes to be the nominee.
Same goes for Biden, in 2020 they had to elect someone as nominee to go against Trump, and for some reason they elected Biden, which let's say in 2020 he was alright, or in 2019, but then it's obvious now that he barely can speak, why would he still be the nominee? Not only people should have picked another nominee, but he also should have stepped down after his first term is over. All in all, it was PEOPLE who elected these two, they got the votes to be the nominee.
They are both equally terrible candidates who will be in their 80's by the end of their terms. Is this really the best America has to offer?
This will be the new norm, I guess. World as a whole is ageing rapidly. Also, the life-span is increasing constantly. So we will see more and more politicians in their 80s and even 90s. Apart from Sunak, Macron and Trudeau, there are very few heads of state, who are in their 40s and 50s. Most of them are in their 70s, like Modi, Xi, Putin and Andrés Manuel López Obrador. Unless Ramaswamy or Buttigieg becomes the POTUS in 2028, USA may never witness a young president for some time.
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In the question on the lies of Trump are a more difficult task to approach, because he tells so many lies that the debate could be easily derailed of any moderator stopped just to fact check the stuff he is doing and because he tells so many lies, the people on the right would not like to see how Trump gets corrected by Joe Biden is not corrected by the moderator. Still, it is not an excuse for allowing someone like Trump to like on national Televiaion as he did. At least, CNN could have displayed some disclaimer or popup each time Trump said a lie so the viewers would not be directly bombarded with conspiracy theories about how the elections of four years ago was "stolen from him".
Biden still can recover, though, there seems to be already conversations to replace him because of his performance.
It's a huge surprise for me that people needed to wait till the debate to know that Biden is not actually ruling the nation. It was obvious from the first day that Biden has no idea what he's doing and there are other people who controls the power with Biden as a showing teeth.
Trump is not a good choice either but he's a multiple times better than choosing a ghost ruler. The people who rule a country without a face has no moral obligations to the people and would work in benefiting themselves than the general population. Biden is an elderly person who is being tortured through these debates and election process.
Trump is not a good choice either but he's a multiple times better than choosing a ghost ruler. The people who rule a country without a face has no moral obligations to the people and would work in benefiting themselves than the general population. Biden is an elderly person who is being tortured through these debates and election process.
They are both equally terrible candidates who will be in their 80's by the end of their terms. Is this really the best America has to offer?
With just 4 months to go to the POTUS elections, isn't it too late for Biden to withdraw from the race? And I saw the tweet from Barack Obama yesterday. He strongly supports Biden as the Democratic candidate. There are a few names floating around, such as Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom. But none of them are considered as "moderates" and in case either of them are named as the replacement for Biden, then Democrats are likely to lose even more votes as the independent voters will desert them in droves.
Barack Obama implied that Joe Biden did not have a good debate, we can not ignore his implication. I am surprised that The Democrats Party did not see this fact before the debate because Joe does not suddenly have poor thinking and communication like this. It's in a long progress and in a same party, their politicians must see this fact better than outsiders.Is it too late for them to replace Joe Biden? It's not too late but how hard it is to replace Joe because big reasons must be agreed in their party before they can force Joe to step down. Joe months ago said, Trump is a reason he wants to join the President Election. Other politicians in Democrats Party will struggle to convince US. citizens with very little time left.
I do agree that it is "too late" for them to withdraw Biden and put someone else in charge right now, it would be hard for any nominee to get enough momentum going to beat Trump, it would be near impossible. But if they feel like they have no other choice, then they may give it a shot. Newsom doesn't look great to me, California is a pit hell right now, putting the guy in charge would mean that USA would be all the same as California right now.
What about RFK? If this man isn't wearing his tin hat all the time, he might be able to get the votes of his fellow Dem and possibly, nomination.
Some states already said it's too late to remove Biden on their ballots so yep that might just be the case in most states as well. But they really did their worse in the time of Biden after all the blame will be on Biden who does not know where he is.
Despite how things are, I think Trump will win. In all polls we see today, its always Trump.
It's a huge surprise for me that people needed to wait till the debate to know that Biden is not actually ruling the nation. It was obvious from the first day that Biden has no idea what he's doing and there are other people who controls the power with Biden as a showing teeth.
Trump is not a good choice either but he's a multiple times better than choosing a ghost ruler. The people who rule a country without a face has no moral obligations to the people and would work in benefiting themselves than the general population. Biden is an elderly person who is being tortured through these debates and election process.
Trump is not a good choice either but he's a multiple times better than choosing a ghost ruler. The people who rule a country without a face has no moral obligations to the people and would work in benefiting themselves than the general population. Biden is an elderly person who is being tortured through these debates and election process.
With just 4 months to go to the POTUS elections, isn't it too late for Biden to withdraw from the race? And I saw the tweet from Barack Obama yesterday. He strongly supports Biden as the Democratic candidate. There are a few names floating around, such as Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom. But none of them are considered as "moderates" and in case either of them are named as the replacement for Biden, then Democrats are likely to lose even more votes as the independent voters will desert them in droves.
Barack Obama implied that Joe Biden did not have a good debate, we can not ignore his implication. I am surprised that The Democrats Party did not see this fact before the debate because Joe does not suddenly have poor thinking and communication like this. It's in a long progress and in a same party, their politicians must see this fact better than outsiders.Is it too late for them to replace Joe Biden? It's not too late but how hard it is to replace Joe because big reasons must be agreed in their party before they can force Joe to step down. Joe months ago said, Trump is a reason he wants to join the President Election. Other politicians in Democrats Party will struggle to convince US. citizens with very little time left.
I do agree that it is "too late" for them to withdraw Biden and put someone else in charge right now, it would be hard for any nominee to get enough momentum going to beat Trump, it would be near impossible. But if they feel like they have no other choice, then they may give it a shot. Newsom doesn't look great to me, California is a pit hell right now, putting the guy in charge would mean that USA would be all the same as California right now.
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Obama name popping back up isnt that surprising because of Biden being the former running mate but yea putting the wife down as a name to bet is not that logical imo. However Hilary Clinton did run for the office and secure the nomination if not the election, so to some people it makes sense.
Just consider would that outcome result in a Democratic party win, it would not its far too wild an idea. Its not going to happen as some wild swing in direction they take. Harris is a choice possibly but again I would not opt for that bet especially.
Biden odds becoming better value is I guess good news if you dont mind that risk, I think they put him in despite the old age health factor. I've seen it before, they did try to take down former presidents for being old also; the counter being the experience is vital and more important along with other factors.
A president does not serve alone, its a whole administration and he isnt required to dig trenches just be of reasonable judgement. So can he prove that much in the months before the election, I think he probably can.
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Obama name popping back up isnt that surprising because of Biden being the former running mate but yea putting the wife down as a name to bet is not that logical imo. However Hilary Clinton did run for the office and secure the nomination if not the election, so to some people it makes sense.
Just consider would that outcome result in a Democratic party win, it would not its far too wild an idea. Its not going to happen as some wild swing in direction they take. Harris is a choice possibly but again I would not opt for that bet especially.
Biden odds becoming better value is I guess good news if you dont mind that risk, I think they put him in despite the old age health factor. I've seen it before, they did try to take down former presidents for being old also; the counter being the experience is vital and more important along with other factors.
A president does not serve alone, its a whole administration and he isnt required to dig trenches just be of reasonable judgement. So can he prove that much in the months before the election, I think he probably can.
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Michelle Obama! (do you think this is legit? Can anyone explain why other candidates wouldn't be favored vs Trump, but She would?)
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Michelle Obama! (do you think this is legit? Can anyone explain why other candidates wouldn't be favored vs Trump, but She would?)
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They have hypothetical matchups, replacing Biden with 4-5 other candidates.
Can anyone guess the ONLY Democratic candidate, who, if chosen to oppose Trump in the Elections-24, would be FAVORED by this bookie?
Your choices are
A) Harris
B) Newsom
C) Obama M.
D) Whitmer
E) Clinton H.
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I have an image saved on my computer. How do I insert it into a forum reply (is it possible?)
I was going to post a screenshot from a online bookie's promotional email.
They have hypothetical matchups, replacing Biden with 4-5 other candidates.
Can anyone guess the ONLY Democratic candidate, who, if chosen to oppose Trump in the Elections-24, would be FAVORED by this bookie?
Your choices are
A) Harris
B) Newsom
C) Obama M.
D) Whitmer
E) Clinton H.
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. Also, this debate was a boring one as well. Surely Biden looked terrible, but Trump looked not as good as I imagined neither, he seems to be getting older too, definitely better in the brain compared to Biden, but I know a 98 year old grandma (not mine) that is smarter than Biden, so it is not really that weird.
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. Also, this debate was a boring one as well. Surely Biden looked terrible, but Trump looked not as good as I imagined neither, he seems to be getting older too, definitely better in the brain compared to Biden, but I know a 98 year old grandma (not mine) that is smarter than Biden, so it is not really that weird.
That is why is preferable to go straight to summaries about the debate on YouTube instead of following it live on the night it takes place. I knew this was going to be a lackluster debate from the beginning, because how it was being picture by both political sides in the United States. It was not about actual politics or national policies, you know. It was rather a show to see who was going to glitch and commit a mistake first in front of the nation. Trump was allowed to say whatever he wanted in front of the camera, unchallenged and was not fact checking from Biden on those lies said by Trump whatsoever.
Also, the cognitive condition of someone in their 80s and 90s does not only depends on their age, it also depends on other things, like genes and lifestyle. There are relatively young people who have cognitive problems, because of things they could not control from the beginning, sadly.
He also complained about a sour throat which I like to believe as well because I can decipher a slight change in his voice, something must have caused that. Regardless, we should not always look at the performance of debates like that, we should rather look at the ingenuity and commitment to do the right thing. Trump is a pathetic liar, he can't be trusted, and CNN, as usual, was able to fact-checked 30 lies from him within that short time, I wonder how many lies he would have told if given 24 hours, he lacks integrity. But on the part of Biden, they rather call his own 9 lies or misleading facts, which may either be true or overexaggerated. I think I see better integrity in one than the other and no matter what happens in debates, it doesn't necessarily means a true performs in the office.
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