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Reports say that it didn't change a thing, Harris is like 2-3 points behind, same when Biden was still the candidate against Trump. Donald Trump has already put a good lead with the assassination attempt and then his supposedly pro-Bitcoin stance.

There are loyal people who will surely vote for Kamala Harris and they don't change their decision when the nominee switch from Biden to Harris. The difference only comes from swing voters who need to be convinced by both Trump and Harris. They will decide the winner between two nominee and choice from Harris for her VP, if she is elected, will be a person who can help her to convince Swing voters in only next several months.

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So for us and the bookies, Donald J. Trump is still the leading candidate to win the US election and it's going to be hard pressed for Kamala Harris to overtake Trump as this point. But then again, we really can't tell, lots of things can happen leading up to the election. But so far Trump will just have to protect the lead or even stretch it out.

With too short time left, Harris has burden of jobs to complete for her propaganda and with possible disadvantage from four years of the current term, she will struggle to convince swing voters. Trump in theory can be a favorite nominee with many people who want to see big changes in the country next four years.

Not so much of a struggle based on these odds.

Trump, Donald 1.53
Harris, Kamala 2.60
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Before Kamala, Trump was like 1.35 which means, he could be losing some of his followers after Biden gave the seat to Kamala. So this isn't just strategic to the Democrats but it could likely make them win if promoted well. They only need a huge mistake from Trump or they could manufacture it to stain Trump. Its politics, its always dirty.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 23, 2024, 03:27:40 AM

Reports say that it didn't change a thing, Harris is like 2-3 points behind, same when Biden was still the candidate against Trump. Donald Trump has already put a good lead with the assassination attempt and then his supposedly pro-Bitcoin stance.

There are loyal people who will surely vote for Kamala Harris and they don't change their decision when the nominee switch from Biden to Harris. The difference only comes from swing voters who need to be convinced by both Trump and Harris. They will decide the winner between two nominee and choice from Harris for her VP, if she is elected, will be a person who can help her to convince Swing voters in only next several months.

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So for us and the bookies, Donald J. Trump is still the leading candidate to win the US election and it's going to be hard pressed for Kamala Harris to overtake Trump as this point. But then again, we really can't tell, lots of things can happen leading up to the election. But so far Trump will just have to protect the lead or even stretch it out.

With too short time left, Harris has burden of jobs to complete for her propaganda and with possible disadvantage from four years of the current term, she will struggle to convince swing voters. Trump in theory can be a favorite nominee with many people who want to see big changes in the country next four years.

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Quote from: Woodie on July 22, 2024, 06:32:53 PM

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Harris I think has enough to get the democratic bid. I don't know if that's the right choice and feel like it's a hail Mary from the democrats. They saw the writing on the wall and knew Joe couldn't beat Trump and last another 4 years in this position. I'm happy he is stepping down, he shoukd be able to enjoy the rest of his life in peace. In terms of betting what are the current odds on Trump winning the whole thing?

I thought the whole assassination attempt on Trump swang the pendulum in his favour and with the news of Biden finally stepping down am not sure if Kamala Harris can deliver the win over Donald's popularity... And without discrimination on who wins what, is the USA ready for a female POTUS Roll Eyes

IMHO I don't think so!! Biden stepping down could have just handed over a power change in Trumps favour but it would be nice to see what the bookies think.

Reports say that it didn't change a thing, Harris is like 2-3 points behind, same when Biden was still the candidate against Trump. Donald Trump has already put a good lead with the assassination attempt and then his supposedly pro-Bitcoin stance.

So for us and the bookies, Donald J. Trump is still the leading candidate to win the US election and it's going to be hard pressed for Kamala Harris to overtake Trump as this point. But then again, we really can't tell, lots of things can happen leading up to the election. But so far Trump will just have to protect the lead or even stretch it out.

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In the last 35 years, only one republican president won the popular vote for once, which was Bush in 2004, which required the 9/11 attacks and Iraq war to make him president again, aside from that, last one was in 88, meaning it's been 35 years since then, and only once republicans won the popular vote.

That should tell you about how the electoral voting system is important in the USA, if it wasn't and if the popular vote won, then we would have democrat president for the past 35 years, instead, we had bush won one without popular, and trump won as well, aside from that it was Clinton, and Obama and now Biden as well. The movement of USA is going a bit more "left" while the parties move a little bit more to the right.

I do see that it is not the time of Ronald Reagan era, where republicans are clearly the winners, I can see that democrats are a lot more, and if this keeps going, we may actually see a democrat run nation forever, while I do like that party over republicans, I would say that is still dangerous for a nation. Maybe that is why republicans are getting more radical, they are not seeing results being a centrist, so they are trying to make sure that they can get everyone to vote by being radicalized.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 22, 2024, 05:59:00 PM

Harris I think has enough to get the democratic bid. I don't know if that's the right choice and feel like it's a hail Mary from the democrats. They saw the writing on the wall and knew Joe couldn't beat Trump and last another 4 years in this position. I'm happy he is stepping down, he shoukd be able to enjoy the rest of his life in peace. In terms of betting what are the current odds on Trump winning the whole thing?

I thought the whole assassination attempt on Trump swang the pendulum in his favour and with the news of Biden finally stepping down am not sure if Kamala Harris can deliver the win over Donald's popularity... And without discrimination on who wins what, is the USA ready for a female POTUS Roll Eyes

IMHO I don't think so!! Biden stepping down could have just handed over a power change in Trumps favour but it would be nice to see what the bookies think.

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Certainly any candidate was better than Biden, who looked like he would either not make it to the election or would arrive in an even more advanced state of dementia. I see that Harris can attract the feminist vote and the so-called racialized vote. I still think Trump is the favorite, but as it all comes down to swing states we will have to see.

Hillary was a woman and still didn't manage to get those votes, I have a feeling that when sending a female candidate you also need to send the exact type based on the the votes you didn't get previously, and with the US being so different, I have doubts how many of the non-voters she will be able to influence, especially in the states where the Dems are currently losing.

Biden was going to lose, the Democrats have got a second chance, but I have the impression they are wasting it!

Anyhow,
1.03 Kamala Harris, so it's almost settled!

As for VP:
2.4 Josh Shapiro
4.0 Roy Cooper
6.0 Mark Kelly
7.0 Andy Beshear
10.0 Pete Buttigieg

Probably aside from Buttigieg the rest are unknown for 99.9% of everyone outside the US.

Harris I think has enough to get the democratic bid. I don't know if that's the right choice and feel like it's a hail Mary from the democrats. They saw the writing on the wall and knew Joe couldn't beat Trump and last another 4 years in this position. I'm happy he is stepping down, he shoukd be able to enjoy the rest of his life in peace. In terms of betting what are the current odds on Trump winning the whole thing?

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Also, why would you blame Hamas? Blame the reaction of the Biden administration. They are sending billions in Ukraine and Israel while the people in their country are going through financial hardships? This is very head shaking.

Good question. I was having a discussion on one of the platforms about this topic and thought it would be useful to share some thoughts here.

Regarding the American position on the war in Gaza and the rate of change after the presidential elections, it is noticeable that there is not much hope that Trump will contribute to salvaging the situation a little if he wins the elections, because we have not witnessed a change in the American policy that is absolutely supportive of Israel since its declaration as a state. But Trump can use this war as a pressure card in the elections to mobilize more voters, especially those who oppose the war, as Biden cannot deny his policy of supporting Israel.
Amid his electoral battle, Trump seemed contradictory in his statements. During an interview he gave to Fox News early last March, he expressed his support for the war launched by Israel on the Gaza Strip, only to return later, at the end of the same month, and say that Israel is losing international support and must end the war. But what is noteworthy is that Trump's few statements on this matter have sometimes been against the war, or rather against the Netanyahu government, while the White House was moving to persuade Israel to reach a solution to stop the war.
In fact, Trump has revealed little about his views on the Gaza war, from the possibility of a ceasefire to what might happen when the fighting stops. In his statements, Trump always links Israel's right to defend itself with his talk about peace in the region, but his campaign team does not yet see any reason for him to greatly address the war in Gaza, despite the decline in support among Democrats for Biden due to his strongly supportive position. to Israel and its failure to achieve a ceasefire.

This is not the kind of thought to first come to mind with his choice of a vice president who cares about war even in Asia. If Vance is leaning toward suppressing China as a rising empire then NATO is with him especially when NATO is trying to expand members from Asia.

This only makes the US not so united when its President is anti-war and his vice is pro-war. This is the kind of scenario in the 3rd world countries.

This confirms my position on what I see. There is a duality in Trump's speech that can only be explained within the framework of his electoral campaign to garner the largest possible number of votes. We know very well that the popular position does not completely agree with the position of the American administration, and there is popular pressure on the administration to stop supporting Israel and speed up finding a solution between the two parties to the conflict, and this is the point that Trump uses as if he supports the popular position until reaching power. Whether Trump or all members of his administration will not be against Israel or stop support, but they need double standards during the electoral stage. The same applies to crypto support.

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 21, 2024, 10:14:43 PM

Certainly any candidate was better than Biden, who looked like he would either not make it to the election or would arrive in an even more advanced state of dementia. I see that Harris can attract the feminist vote and the so-called racialized vote. I still think Trump is the favorite, but as it all comes down to swing states we will have to see.

Hillary was a woman and still didn't manage to get those votes, I have a feeling that when sending a female candidate you also need to send the exact type based on the the votes you didn't get previously, and with the US being so different, I have doubts how many of the non-voters she will be able to influence, especially in the states where the Dems are currently losing.

Biden was going to lose, the Democrats have got a second chance, but I have the impression they are wasting it!

Anyhow,
1.03 Kamala Harris, so it's almost settled!

As for VP:
2.4 Josh Shapiro
4.0 Roy Cooper
6.0 Mark Kelly
7.0 Andy Beshear
10.0 Pete Buttigieg

Probably aside from Buttigieg the rest are unknown for 99.9% of everyone outside the US.

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Biden didn't have a choice but to endorse Harris. From my understanding, if he had chosen anyone but her, that would have caused a major uproar in the Black community and 100% lost the Dems the presidency. Endorsing Harris avoids the uprising and keeps them in the race although IMO I feel like Trump has this in the bag.

I had not seen it from that perspective, to be honest. He could still saved his endorsement by saying nothing and just move on or perhaps even endorsing a black person within the democratic party for the seat of the presidency, If I recall correctly there is a famous enough black person who represents the democrat party as a senate member. I just don't recall his name right now.
I also feel Trump has much advantage in this race, to be honest, and that is why I feel it would not be one hundred percent right for their party to nominate Harris. One thing is what Biden says and a completely different one is what the party says, if they somehow managed to nominate a young white man who happens to be liberal enough as well, then it would help much in terms of getting more votes. But that is just my opinion.
As time passes by, this election only gets more unprecedented...

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Everyone was sure that Biden would lose the elections, so they made the right decision and put Harris in the race. For the Democrats, at least, hopes have risen for now.
I think Trump will win this election because he has a very good hand.

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Quote from: Mr.right85 on July 22, 2024, 10:27:41 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on July 21, 2024, 07:30:17 PM

Biden didn't have a choice but to endorse Harris. From my understanding, if he had chosen anyone but her, that would have caused a major uproar in the Black community and 100% lost the Dems the presidency. Endorsing Harris avoids the uprising and keeps them in the race although IMO I feel like Trump has this in the bag.

It wasn’t exactly a bad decision and I think it’s one of the best thing he did for himself, having to look above any selfish desires or need to hold power. Picking Harris to contest with Trump ensures another type of sentiment to be considered by citizens although, I don’t seem to find Harris as a worthy competition for Trump? Don’t you think…
Trump might as well have less turbulence to a victorious poll from the way I see it. What would be the odds now, really low I imagine and that be for Trump to emerge victorious.

He left due to pressure from the political party and his government partners, it wasn't of his own free will... these guys are addicted to being in power, it's like something that doesn't involve money anymore but influences people... I would like to know how the trump vs biden bets will be... will they be transferred to the new candidate?

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on July 21, 2024, 07:30:17 PM

Biden didn't have a choice but to endorse Harris. From my understanding, if he had chosen anyone but her, that would have caused a major uproar in the Black community and 100% lost the Dems the presidency. Endorsing Harris avoids the uprising and keeps them in the race although IMO I feel like Trump has this in the bag.

Well most of the indicators are pointing to the fact that trump now have got a whole lot of chances to win but every measures should still be taken to maintain that chance because you cannot just undermine the black community that will be supporting Harris, they have got a significant community especially in the fact that they also got a stance in the decider states so its not over until it is and so trump if he must win, he cant afford to do any less at this point in time.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on July 21, 2024, 07:30:17 PM

Biden didn't have a choice but to endorse Harris. From my understanding, if he had chosen anyone but her, that would have caused a major uproar in the Black community and 100% lost the Dems the presidency. Endorsing Harris avoids the uprising and keeps them in the race although IMO I feel like Trump has this in the bag.

It wasn’t exactly a bad decision and I think it’s one of the best thing he did for himself, having to look above any selfish desires or need to hold power. Picking Harris to contest with Trump ensures another type of sentiment to be considered by citizens although, I don’t seem to find Harris as a worthy competition for Trump? Don’t you think…
Trump might as well have less turbulence to a victorious poll from the way I see it. What would be the odds now, really low I imagine and that be for Trump to emerge victorious.

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Of course, the fact that Joe Biden refused to participate in the elections is the right decision for Biden himself and for his family and for the Democratic Party in general and especially for the United States. Still, the Democrats realized that with such a president they were rapidly losing popularity. A person with elements of dementia should not serve as President of the United States. And I think Kamalla Harris is the Democrats' best choice. If a black woman occupies the presidency of the United States for the first time, it will be a very politically correct thing. No one will be able to speak so convincingly about discrimination against women and African Americans in the United States. Besides, I think Trump is greatly underestimating his opponent. However, I would like to wish them both good luck. Let the voter make his choice.

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Certainly any candidate was better than Biden, who looked like he would either not make it to the election or would arrive in an even more advanced state of dementia. I see that Harrihttp://s can attract the feminist vote and the so-called racialized vote. I still think Trump is the favorite, but as it all comes down to swing states we will have to see.

I view this as too harsh on Biden, especially on someone's health challenge. Biden is an honourable guy who has served his country excellently in many capacities, he deserves respect. Mind you, just because he can't express himself like before doesn't mean that everyone is suddenly better than him. Expression is a thing, and action is another, he can't suddenly forget all the vast experience he has gathered in the decades of service.

Also, Harris is a good choice for the Democrats. I've not seen anyone who is as popular as her and being a woman of colour is an added advantage. I only hope the Yankees will vote for a woman to rule them.

That's the main issue, for Americans to let a woman rule them cos as for Harris is a good choice candidate, democrats made to challenge Trump in the poll election. Trump now has someone to battle it out with, than the weak Biden

It feels good to note that, Democrats now have a vibrant, intelligent, and brave woman to go heads on with Trump on the election debate. Americans would then decide whose candidate has a better plan for the country, that is worth their voting for, as the American president in the November election

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 21, 2024, 10:14:43 PM

Certainly any candidate was better than Biden, who looked like he would either not make it to the election or would arrive in an even more advanced state of dementia. I see that Harris can attract the feminist vote and the so-called racialized vote. I still think Trump is the favorite, but as it all comes down to swing states we will have to see.

Democrats made the right decision to force Joe Biden to step aside because he would have lost the election. Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton and now he has to face another female. I don't know how she would be able to convince voters that she is strong enough to handle what many consider a man's job. She would get block votes from the minorities who see Trump as anti-immigration and a racist but she has more work to do. She would have to recover the grounds Biden has lost in many major battlegrounds. I believe Trump has the upper hand since he has strong backing from the white majority and the core evangelicals. I would have bet on Trump if Biden was the democratic candidate, but I have it observe the campaigns and polls because Kamala Harris is a better candidate.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 22, 2024, 04:15:19 AM

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Certainly any candidate was better than Biden, who looked like he would either not make it to the election or would arrive in an even more advanced state of dementia. I see that Harris can attract the feminist vote and the so-called racialized vote. I still think Trump is the favorite, but as it all comes down to swing states we will have to see.

I view this as too harsh on Biden, especially on someone's health challenge. Biden is an honourable guy who has served his country excellently in many capacities, he deserves respect. Mind you, just because he can't express himself like before doesn't mean that everyone is suddenly better than him. Expression is a thing, and action is another, he can't suddenly forget all the vast experience he has gathered in the decades of service.

Also, Harris is a good choice for the Democrats. I've not seen anyone who is as popular as her and being a woman of colour is an added advantage. I only hope the Yankees will vote for a woman to rule them.

But hasn't each candidate had lot of service to their country all this time, basically they are all important people in the US governing parliament and of course each person will have their own advantages, those who support Biden will definitely say Biden is the best and vice versa.
Biden is 81 years old and this is not a fit age to be able to lead the country in the future if he wins the election, moreover we all know that what Biden does with all his decisions is done with the aim of the interests of the country and his party.

After Biden decision and which caused lot of discussion, there is indeed support for Kamala Harris to be the candidate that will be put forward by the Democratic Party in the 2024 elections, but that is not guarantee.
I sure the members of the Democratic National Committee will hold special meetings to determine who they really deserve to be able to choose, but of all the people who could potentially run for office, it still seems like Kamala Harris is the best.

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Quote from: STT on July 22, 2024, 02:01:04 AM

If there was ever a path for Rep win, full redemption arc from Trump conviction to shaking it off this is it. In my mind all they did to Biden in 2024 was a repeat of the trick they pulled on him in 2016 and funnily enough its going to result in the same way with a Trump win.

In 2016 they refused to back the most logical choice, the VP and Biden would have won in 2016 imo and would just this year be finishing his 2nd term. Though I will concede it could mean the 2020 election was lost because of the recession etc. But yep to me its a repeat.

Biden and his administration cause a lot of disappointment and maybe angry in the nation so citizens do see that they need a big change. Now Biden steps aside, that is a big twist for the President Election but is it too late for Kamala Harris to do her own propaganda and get votes.

She did not have an impressive Vice Presidency in the last four years and her role now does not benefit her position in the election after taking over the nominee role from Biden.

I agree with you that Trump and Rep Party are nearly set to win this election. It is early to say they will be winners certainly but I see very small chances for Kamala Harris and Democrats Party to beat Trump next four months.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 22, 2024, 04:15:19 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on July 21, 2024, 10:14:43 PM

Certainly any candidate was better than Biden, who looked like he would either not make it to the election or would arrive in an even more advanced state of dementia. I see that Harris can attract the feminist vote and the so-called racialized vote. I still think Trump is the favorite, but as it all comes down to swing states we will have to see.

I view this as too harsh on Biden, especially on someone's health challenge. Biden is an honourable guy who has served his country excellently in many capacities, he deserves respect. Mind you, just because he can't express himself like before doesn't mean that everyone is suddenly better than him. Expression is a thing, and action is another, he can't suddenly forget all the vast experience he has gathered in the decades of service.

Also, Harris is a good choice for the Democrats. I've not seen anyone who is as popular as her and being a woman of colour is an added advantage. I only hope the Yankees will vote for a woman to rule them.

I may not agree to the excellent word for running their country since I guess he's past performance make Americans to decide that they need to have a new President. If he did strong remarks on his term then provably that there are still lots of Biden supporter and we maybe can see his ratings still going up even if Trump is there. But guess he messed up and didn't meet the expectation of people that's why Trump take advantage with that and now he's gaining a lot of support.

But still he deserve a respect since he's still honorable guy which once lead their country. Also he's still a great politician despite of whatever happen on his term. Harris indeed a good choice by Democrats but for now its not a good timing for him to insert since Trump dominate the current race.

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 21, 2024, 10:14:43 PM

Certainly any candidate was better than Biden, who looked like he would either not make it to the election or would arrive in an even more advanced state of dementia. I see that Harris can attract the feminist vote and the so-called racialized vote. I still think Trump is the favorite, but as it all comes down to swing states we will have to see.

I view this as too harsh on Biden, especially on someone's health challenge. Biden is an honourable guy who has served his country excellently in many capacities, he deserves respect. Mind you, just because he can't express himself like before doesn't mean that everyone is suddenly better than him. Expression is a thing, and action is another, he can't suddenly forget all the vast experience he has gathered in the decades of service.

Also, Harris is a good choice for the Democrats. I've not seen anyone who is as popular as her and being a woman of colour is an added advantage. I only hope the Yankees will vote for a woman to rule them.

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