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Topic: 280 BTC total bets between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) - page 15. (Read 46371 times)

legendary
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let's just go ahead and ignore those ramblings and see what you just posted here:

Yeah, I'd want to ignore the fact that I was a tool as well, if someone pointed it out like that, too.

So how's that working out for you Bryan?  How does it feel to know, without a doubt that you are either being manipulated and are completely powerless to do anything about it or you are so utterly incompetent that you can't manage to expose the lies and scam that you believe BFL to be?
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Awww did I hurt your widdle feewings again? 

Lets break your statement down for a second here, according to you, either one of two things is happening here:

A) I am a master manipulator and I use my wily skills to pacify all the BFL customers and "bully" them (and you) into doing what I want. 
or
B) I have no idea what I'm doing and somehow, against all odds, I've managed to get you, the famous Bryan Micon to "investigate" me and my company with your amazing deductive skills, thereby lending credibility and attention to BFL.

In case A) you are aware that I am manipulating you and yet you are still allowing yourself to be manipulated.  That makes you a tool.
Or in case B) I'm a complete idiot (according to you) and you are somehow unable to expose my lies and scams in any way, shape or form.  That makes you a tool.

You are allowing yourself to be willingly manipulated or you are unable to best a complete idiot with your massive intellect.  Good show, old chap!

Yes Bryan, you are truly a master of logical deduction, upstanding citizenry and intelligence. 


let's just go ahead and ignore those ramblings and see what you just posted here:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post15407

Quote from: josh zerlan
21 Feb 2013

The chips are still at the bumping facility. They are taking their time, much to our chagrin, to be sure we don't wreck one of the wafers with a failed bump. We are trying to determine if we need to physically go to the bumping facility and sit in someones office until it's done. We should hopefully have more information on that later tonight or tomorrow. If it turns out it would be efficacious, that's what we will do. However, perhaps my reputation will precede me and they will elect to get the job done and send the chips to the packaging facility instead of having me sitting in their office all day.

The good news is, we should be able to accelerate the second set of wafers as well as the bulk of the rest of the wafer run, allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected. This is still being negotiated, but things are looking good as far as that goes.

the levels of denial needed to get to this statement:

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allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected.

must be mountainous.  To ship the product "en mass" even sooner than we expected would require a time machine.  you do not deal in reality, Josh.

Love it! Time machine generated asic chips!
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
I'm too busy trolling the forums that I forgot to follow up on the ASIC chips and the "bumping". Shit I gotta think of the reasoning for the next delay. Fuck.

oh yeah? lol  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Awww did I hurt your widdle feewings again?  

Wait, how old are you?

So, about the box of fans. . . .. . .. .. . ....... .. . .. . . Huh
legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
Awww did I hurt your widdle feewings again? 

Lets break your statement down for a second here, according to you, either one of two things is happening here:

A) I am a master manipulator and I use my wily skills to pacify all the BFL customers and "bully" them (and you) into doing what I want. 
or
B) I have no idea what I'm doing and somehow, against all odds, I've managed to get you, the famous Bryan Micon to "investigate" me and my company with your amazing deductive skills, thereby lending credibility and attention to BFL.

In case A) you are aware that I am manipulating you and yet you are still allowing yourself to be manipulated.  That makes you a tool.
Or in case B) I'm a complete idiot (according to you) and you are somehow unable to expose my lies and scams in any way, shape or form.  That makes you a tool.

You are allowing yourself to be willingly manipulated or you are unable to best a complete idiot with your massive intellect.  Good show, old chap!

Yes Bryan, you are truly a master of logical deduction, upstanding citizenry and intelligence. 


let's just go ahead and ignore those ramblings and see what you just posted here:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post15407

Quote from: josh zerlan
21 Feb 2013

The chips are still at the bumping facility. They are taking their time, much to our chagrin, to be sure we don't wreck one of the wafers with a failed bump. We are trying to determine if we need to physically go to the bumping facility and sit in someones office until it's done. We should hopefully have more information on that later tonight or tomorrow. If it turns out it would be efficacious, that's what we will do. However, perhaps my reputation will precede me and they will elect to get the job done and send the chips to the packaging facility instead of having me sitting in their office all day.

The good news is, we should be able to accelerate the second set of wafers as well as the bulk of the rest of the wafer run, allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected. This is still being negotiated, but things are looking good as far as that goes.

the levels of denial needed to get to this statement:

Quote from: josh zerlan
allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected.

must be mountainous.  To ship the product "en mass" even sooner than we expected would require a time machine.  you do not deal in reality, Josh.
legendary
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Awww did I hurt your widdle feewings again?  

Lets break your statement down for a second here, according to you, either one of two things is happening here:

A) I am a master manipulator and I use my wily skills to pacify all the BFL customers and "bully" them (and you) into doing what I want.  
or
B) I have no idea what I'm doing and somehow, against all odds, I've managed to get you, the famous Bryan Micon to "investigate" me and my company with your amazing deductive skills, thereby lending credibility and attention to BFL.

In case A) you are aware that I am manipulating you and yet you are still allowing yourself to be manipulated.  That makes you my little tool. (Hah, you catch the cock reference? Comedy gold here, folks).
Or in case B) I'm a complete idiot (according to you) and you are somehow unable to expose my lies and scams in any way, shape or form.  That makes you a tool.

You are allowing yourself to be willingly manipulated or you are unable to best a complete idiot with your massive intellect.  Good show, old chap!

Yes Bryan, you are truly a master of logical deduction, upstanding citizenry and intelligence.  
legendary
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Haha destroyed in this thread.  Yes indeed... destroyed by you waffling on your own statements time and again! 

This is the delusion you have created for yourself.  You think you are "winning" by driving traffic to BFL, back peddling time and again on everything you say, and turning down "sure money" based on your own statements.  Yep, I sure am losing! 





legendary
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Glad I went with Avalon.

Wow, what a coincidence, so am I!



This, my friends, is your COO of BFL, Josh Zerlan. 

Customer relations was never his strong suit.  The traditional corporate environment never worked for him.  Nevermind the bumping facility or the millions is pre-orders:  this man has an airplane.
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Glad I went with Avalon.

Wow, what a coincidence, so am I!



Good comeback!

Now about that box of fans. . .. ..... ... ..

 Roll Eyes
legendary
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Glad I went with Avalon.

Wow, what a coincidence, so am I!

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Haha destroyed in this thread.  Yes indeed... destroyed by you waffling on your own statements time and again! 

This is the delusion you have created for yourself.  You think you are "winning" by driving traffic to BFL, back peddling time and again on everything you say, and turning down "sure money" based on your own statements.  Yep, I sure am losing! 



Been wanting to say this for a long while as an unbiased bystander/possible customer......

You're a fucking twat.



Glad I went with Avalon.



Just deliver and not a box of fans.
legendary
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Haha destroyed in this thread.  Yes indeed... destroyed by you waffling on your own statements time and again! 

This is the delusion you have created for yourself.  You think you are "winning" by driving traffic to BFL, back peddling time and again on everything you say, and turning down "sure money" based on your own statements.  Yep, I sure am losing! 

legendary
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mrb
legendary
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I watch the culture of BFL-influenced mods censoring anti-BFL postings
I was very surprised to experience this myself. One of the mods is really a disgrace for this forum!

becoin, can you send me the escrow code that casascius generated for you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1488827 so that I can reclaim my 0.1 BTC bet that you failed to match?
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Instead of lashing out at Bryan for lashing out at you, and back and forth, or however this whole thing is going, prove him wrong by producing evidence to the contrary of his scammer accusation.  I still see none of this.

I'm sorry, then you are blind.  There are mountains of evidence everywhere, and as I said, anyone with even a glimmer of intelligence has seen it.  I'm not lashing out at Bryan, I am poking fun at him because he's so ridiculous.  Watching him flail about trying to dodge the simple truth that his entire premise is false, has been demonstrated to be false and is beyond ludicrous is an entertaining past time.  You are obviously new here, so it's forgivable that you are unaware that I don't tolerate stupidity and I will be happy to point it out to you directly.  In this case, I am enjoy pointing out how completely idiotic Bryan is, and that's about it.  As I said, it's pointless to argue with someone who is not able to grasp reality or understand any of the evidence that is presented to him.


I'm sorry, but I am not blind, and it seems your implying that large portion of the BTC community, is.  If it's so clear, make me believe, make us believe. Status updates, time frames, and pictures of boxes don't really do it for me.  If the evidence is everywhere, point me, us, in several of the right directions please. -BTCOnetime

not sure why my response ^ is listed as yours, I tried several times to separate it, but there is my response - BTCOnetime
legendary
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Instead of lashing out at Bryan for lashing out at you, and back and forth, or however this whole thing is going, prove him wrong by producing evidence to the contrary of his scammer accusation.  I still see none of this.

I'm sorry, then you are blind.  There are mountains of evidence everywhere, and as I said, anyone with even a glimmer of intelligence has seen it.  I'm not lashing out at Bryan, I am poking fun at him because he's so ridiculous.  Watching him flail about trying to dodge the simple truth that his entire premise is false, has been demonstrated to be false and is beyond ludicrous is an entertaining past time.  You are obviously new here, so it's forgivable that you are unaware that I don't tolerate stupidity and I will be happy to point it out to you directly.  In this case, I am enjoy pointing out how completely idiotic Bryan is, and that's about it.  As I said, it's pointless to argue with someone who is not able to grasp reality or understand any of the evidence that is presented to him.

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notice the levels of deflection here:  Zerlan is trying to focus the argument on such minutiae as the fact that I typed $25M or $10M in preorders.

This is not minutiae Bryan, this is demonstrating the fact that you can't even get your numbers straight.  You don't know what you are talking about, so you just throw out random numbers, and you make them sensational so that people will react.  It's anything but minutiae.  You think you are this clever promoter, but there's a reason your entire life is a failure.  Donkdown podcast?  Failure.  Poker carreer?  Failure.  Family?  Failure (I'm going to divorce my wife and move to Las Vegas!  Good work on that, man.), Hygiene?  Failure.  Skewer Inaba?  Failure.  (I mean, you do realize that the more you protest about how I called you an idiot in real life, in front of real people, the more people come to check out BFL, right?  You're almost as good as CreativeX when it comes to driving traffic and interest.)

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Just to curve back some of your bent truths in this latest diatribe in one of my betting threads vs. your company MISSING SHIPPING DATES because THAT'S SOMETHING WITH AN END DATE TO SETTLE A BET, so we don't bet on an open-ended vague statement like "BFL is a giant scam and employees a buffoon named Josh Zerlan" which very well may be true but has no formal end, thus no one would know when to settle.  Think about this - what if ASIC mining becomes the norm, in 3 years there are 10 suppliers, BFL eventually buys one of them and sends the pre-orders.    I suppose from now until then it's up to the individual to determine when BFL is a scam.

Awww, poor little Bryan, caught in a corner again and goes off raging about how there's NO END DATE! !!!  OH NOES!  I won't bet because there's no end date... sadly, I gave him an end date, offered to bet him 2000 BTC, or even 100 BTC which he declined.  He wants an "end date" of a couple weeks on the statement that "BFL IS A SCAM!"

See the problem here is, Bryan makes a claim (BFL is a scam, according to him), but then refuses to back it up.  That's the bottom line.  I am offering him $60,000 at current BTC rates IN ESCROW that if BFL does not ship an ASIC this year.  Hell, I'd probably even offer him that bet for March if he'd take me up on it, but we both know he won't put up more than a few token BTC.  He does these little tiny bets because it's worth the attention he gets, but he's unwilling to risk any substantial amount of money on his claim that he is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE is true.  This is why you know what he says is a lie and he's just a pathetic little internet attention whore.  

And before you go on saying how "Maybe 100 BTC" is a lot for little Bryan, keep in mind this is a man who claims to be a professional poker player who plays in the WSOP, so a $60,000 wager (or even a $3000 wager, which was offered as well) is not out of the realm of reason for a professional WSOP poker player.  Although, given the fact that his poker career is as much of a joke as the reset of him, I suppose it's not surprising.  
legendary
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From what I hear their about to test 40 chips. So my question is this. What was ready to ship in November to Dec?



Josh will NOT be answering that question.  His next response will likely center on me and not pertain to BFL or the millions they are holding in pre-order monies or if they spent pre-order monies on R&D because they have no product yet. 

these types of things will NOT be discussed by Josh.

now ship pre-order.
legendary
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Instead of lashing out at Bryan for lashing out at you, and back and forth, or however this whole thing is going, prove him wrong by producing evidence to the contrary of his scammer accusation.  I still see none of this.
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I assume you are talking about Gmaxwell
It wasn't enough for him to lock the thread. He went beyond and changed the title to justify a blatant scam!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wow-becoin-failed-to-read-and-comprehend-bfls-policy-on-btc-refunds-137026

I assume you are talking about the "Troll Museum"

yes, the writing was on the wall when they decided to manipulate that thread so it appears there are 100k+ views on their announcements with no negative uproar.  Very, very embarrassing decision by the forum management.

What's with the censorship?  I was also just censored (completely deleted) for typing in MNW's new thread "didn't this guy scam half the people here? How is he still allowed to post?"  Are MNW and Zerlin paying someone to make them look better?

Apologies for getting off topic

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Translation:  I am butthurt because the big, bad, mean Josh scared me so I'm going to lash out.  I don't understand why people think I'm an idiot!  It must be a conspiracy!

Somebody call the waaaambulance.

Thanks for basically confirming exactly what Micon just said about your lack character and motives. You just painted your hands red.

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