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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 22, 2024, 08:54:27 AM

Have you ever had that feeling? after a crazy losing streak, the feeling that a win should be close is what makes us lose more.

Yesterday i did it again, made 1 deposit to the casino, and after losing all then i started making more deposits, it was that feeling that made me depo 6 times, and the win never came. Sometimes we need one of those reality shots to understand the danger behind gambling. This time i lost a big amount learned the leason and walked away. But in the end, i leave with that same feeling, a big win should be close, but it doesn't worth to keep trying.

Those who experienced lose streak in their games makes accumulations in their mind a lot of what if like what if they made a deposit again and that next game will be their comeback wins, and what if they didn't just execute beliefs so the bonus didn't show up people makes a conclusion and reasonable things into their mind just to fulfill their losses or lets say to make another game. I guess we can call this gas lighting themselves just to make another bet. If you have a control to yourself and emotions you didn't get carried away easily with those intrusive thoughts again not all the odds is in favor or else you are willing to risk more to play and hope to win.

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Quote from: zuzie on October 31, 2024, 09:47:32 AM

True, a gambler who has experienced greed and addiction will forget the next action or step in playing the right gambling based on the bad behavior that is inherent in the gambler, he cannot regulate a clear mindset in acting in his mind at that time is he continues to gamble without regulating the right bet.
Yes, as a result of his actions, his finances will slowly be shaken and he will experience great bankruptcy from the mistakes he made himself.

Their minds will only thinks about how they can play gambling more and search how they can have money to keep their gambling activities. They will not thinks about the other activities that they should do even if that activities is important for them. They want to chase the big win as they think that they are so close with that so they don't want to miss the chance to win big money. They must realize that what they want will not always happen because gambling will not let them win big money easily.

It is true and precise that they only think about pleasure compared to the impact of the risk that they will receive later, that momentary pleasure is what makes gambling addicts unable to think clearly, they can gamble every day and even forget the time to stop for a moment because of the terrible greed and addiction that already exists in a gambler that makes him play continuously and I totally agree that gamblers should try to realize that winning in gambling is very difficult to get so that they play naturally without having to force their will to get victory quickly and easily.

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 01, 2024, 12:08:20 AM

So, that's what a gambler must avoid, greed, which makes people no longer think clearly and maturely with a relaxed attitude. Gambling addicts are actually good at making bets, but when they feel like making big profits, this is the peak of destruction for them (gamblers).
we can learn from this that the nature of greed is not true and will even make someone lose big and sink into addiction so that all their desires are not achieved. and go bankrupt in the long term.

A big win is never close because it is our greed making us to want to keep gambling with the hopes that we are going to win. That feeling that we get can make us to keep gambling until we lose everything in our gambling account. Do not always believe what your instinct tells you although it can be correct at times but for most of the time, you are going to lose when following your instinct, instead have a plan already that you are going to follow and do not forget to stand by your plans and not bring up new ones when gambling because of wins or losses. As a gambler, you will always feel your win coming but do not be too excited and go and over bet on the games just because you feel it that you are going to win. Casinos know that we get this type of feeling and they use it against us without we knowing.

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Quote from: Ricardo11 on October 31, 2024, 11:19:49 PM

People who get addicted to gambling, do not understand that gambling is completely dependent on luck, their mind is always occupied only with gambling. And they always take risks in the hope of gambling, they gamble constantly, And they keep losing, but they don't even think that they are losing every time they gamble, so now they have to stop gambling. At that time they fall into gambling addiction, and because of this addiction they are losing precious time, hard-earned money, and peace of mind, even being neglected by their family and society. So gambling is a temptation that, while it seems easy at first, has a very low chance of winning and a lot of risk. Today's youth who are throwing their time, money, and their beautiful lives into this gambling addiction could have had real success and happiness if they had spent their lives in more constructive pursuits.

That is why we must always prevents the chance of being addicted to gambling because the impact will be bigger than we can imagine. We can wins big in gambling but we must know that after that win big, we must stop gambling and leave the casino. But if we thinks that we almost win big and the big win will be available in the next rounds, that will be a wrong mindset from them.

They must avoids the temptation from gambling because of the big risks that they can get it. Youth will be reluctant to be the victim especially if they don't have a strong control over themselves. They will not realize if they are getting deeper in gambling as they only see the fun things from gambling that makes them forget when to stop gambling.

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Quote from: Ricardo11 on October 31, 2024, 11:19:49 PM

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Quote from: zuzie on October 31, 2024, 09:47:32 AM

True, a gambler who has experienced greed and addiction will forget the next action or step in playing the right gambling based on the bad behavior that is inherent in the gambler, he cannot regulate a clear mindset in acting in his mind at that time is he continues to gamble without regulating the right bet.
Yes, as a result of his actions, his finances will slowly be shaken and he will experience great bankruptcy from the mistakes he made himself.

Their minds will only thinks about how they can play gambling more and search how they can have money to keep their gambling activities. They will not thinks about the other activities that they should do even if that activities is important for them. They want to chase the big win as they think that they are so close with that so they don't want to miss the chance to win big money. They must realize that what they want will not always happen because gambling will not let them win big money easily.

People who get addicted to gambling, do not understand that gambling is completely dependent on luck, their mind is always occupied only with gambling. And they always take risks in the hope of gambling, they gamble constantly, And they keep losing, but they don't even think that they are losing every time they gamble, so now they have to stop gambling. At that time they fall into gambling addiction, and because of this addiction they are losing precious time, hard-earned money, and peace of mind, even being neglected by their family and society. So gambling is a temptation that, while it seems easy at first, has a very low chance of winning and a lot of risk. Today's youth who are throwing their time, money, and their beautiful lives into this gambling addiction could have had real success and happiness if they had spent their lives in more constructive pursuits.

Incredibly accurate words. The fact is that in addition to all the above-mentioned disadvantages, gambling also takes up a huge amount of time. And at the same time, it is impossible to extract almost any positive and useful experience from it. The gambler does not receive useful skills or knowledge. Someone will say about poker, but I believe that if someone is not a mathematician, then he has nothing to do in poker. It is better to devote your time to studying cryptocurrencies, because knowledge about them will always be useful and can bring Profit.

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Quote from: zuzie on October 31, 2024, 09:47:32 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 30, 2024, 10:34:33 PM

Addicted and greedy can makes someone forget that gambling is just a place to have fun. They will gets deeper in gambling without knowing that they must stop gambling immediately. They should not think that the next big win will comes in the next rounds because that can attract them difficult to stop. They must understand that gambling is just for have fun and if they want to make money, they better search for the works which can gives them money. However, they must reset their mindset if they have that thought as gambling can makes them bankrupt fast.

True, a gambler who has experienced greed and addiction will forget the next action or step in playing the right gambling based on the bad behavior that is inherent in the gambler, he cannot regulate a clear mindset in acting in his mind at that time is he continues to gamble without regulating the right bet.
Yes, as a result of his actions, his finances will slowly be shaken and he will experience great bankruptcy from the mistakes he made himself.

So, that's what a gambler must avoid, greed, which makes people no longer think clearly and maturely with a relaxed attitude. Gambling addicts are actually good at making bets, but when they feel like making big profits, this is the peak of destruction for them (gamblers).
we can learn from this that the nature of greed is not true and will even make someone lose big and sink into addiction so that all their desires are not achieved. and go bankrupt in the long term.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 22, 2024, 08:54:27 AM

Have you ever had that feeling? after a crazy losing streak, the feeling that a win should be close is what makes us lose more.

A stupid reality buddy .

This is the reason why I kept losing big because of the idea of having a chance to win after continues losses but ending?losing more lol.

I have this thought in Roulette once when I kept betting in ZERO knowing that this will come out sooner but after losing all my capital?this does not come lol and yeah I lose everything that time .

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Yesterday i did it again, made 1 deposit to the casino, and after losing all then i started making more deposits, it was that feeling that made me depo 6 times, and the win never came. Sometimes we need one of those reality shots to understand the danger behind gambling. This time i lost a big amount learned the leason and walked away. But in the end, i leave with that same feeling, a big win should be close, but it doesn't worth to keep trying.

Maybe this is a perfect thread to open all our eyes to never seek for this or lose everytime.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 31, 2024, 10:33:16 PM

Quote from: zuzie on October 31, 2024, 09:47:32 AM

True, a gambler who has experienced greed and addiction will forget the next action or step in playing the right gambling based on the bad behavior that is inherent in the gambler, he cannot regulate a clear mindset in acting in his mind at that time is he continues to gamble without regulating the right bet.
Yes, as a result of his actions, his finances will slowly be shaken and he will experience great bankruptcy from the mistakes he made himself.

Their minds will only thinks about how they can play gambling more and search how they can have money to keep their gambling activities. They will not thinks about the other activities that they should do even if that activities is important for them. They want to chase the big win as they think that they are so close with that so they don't want to miss the chance to win big money. They must realize that what they want will not always happen because gambling will not let them win big money easily.

People who get addicted to gambling, do not understand that gambling is completely dependent on luck, their mind is always occupied only with gambling. And they always take risks in the hope of gambling, they gamble constantly, And they keep losing, but they don't even think that they are losing every time they gamble, so now they have to stop gambling. At that time they fall into gambling addiction, and because of this addiction they are losing precious time, hard-earned money, and peace of mind, even being neglected by their family and society. So gambling is a temptation that, while it seems easy at first, has a very low chance of winning and a lot of risk. Today's youth who are throwing their time, money, and their beautiful lives into this gambling addiction could have had real success and happiness if they had spent their lives in more constructive pursuits.

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Quote from: zuzie on October 31, 2024, 09:47:32 AM

True, a gambler who has experienced greed and addiction will forget the next action or step in playing the right gambling based on the bad behavior that is inherent in the gambler, he cannot regulate a clear mindset in acting in his mind at that time is he continues to gamble without regulating the right bet.
Yes, as a result of his actions, his finances will slowly be shaken and he will experience great bankruptcy from the mistakes he made himself.

Their minds will only thinks about how they can play gambling more and search how they can have money to keep their gambling activities. They will not thinks about the other activities that they should do even if that activities is important for them. They want to chase the big win as they think that they are so close with that so they don't want to miss the chance to win big money. They must realize that what they want will not always happen because gambling will not let them win big money easily.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 30, 2024, 10:34:33 PM

Addicted and greedy can makes someone forget that gambling is just a place to have fun. They will gets deeper in gambling without knowing that they must stop gambling immediately. They should not think that the next big win will comes in the next rounds because that can attract them difficult to stop. They must understand that gambling is just for have fun and if they want to make money, they better search for the works which can gives them money. However, they must reset their mindset if they have that thought as gambling can makes them bankrupt fast.

True, a gambler who has experienced greed and addiction will forget the next action or step in playing the right gambling based on the bad behavior that is inherent in the gambler, he cannot regulate a clear mindset in acting in his mind at that time is he continues to gamble without regulating the right bet.
Yes, as a result of his actions, his finances will slowly be shaken and he will experience great bankruptcy from the mistakes he made himself.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 31, 2024, 01:38:18 AM

Most gamblers will never be satisfied with gaining, they will always want more, which could later put them into trouble, and the same goes for the losses, they always think the next bet could change the whole narrative. But instead, they might continue to lose.

The solution to this is to be disciplined and have our gambling budget and viable management. We should know why we are gambling, how we want to gamble and when to quit without thinking twice.

All these gamblers lose everything because of their excessive profits, most of the time the gamblers get profit but they want to get more money, so they face more losses. So disciplined planning, self-control and having a certain limit to a gambling game is very important when it comes to gambling. The alluring attraction and addiction of gambling makes every gambler addicted. So when a gambler takes a gambling loss instead of gambling more in hopes of recovering it, you should immediately stop gambling. Because remember when you start losing the more you gamble the more you lose. So the biggest solution to stay away from them is to stay disciplined. Gambling within a certain money limit, never be greedy, keep yourself under control, gamble confidently and disciplinedly. And develop the habit so that, your mind can't be control you, you can control your mind. A good habit of quitting gambling at any time can help prevent major losses.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 22, 2024, 08:54:27 AM

Have you ever had that feeling? after a crazy losing streak, the feeling that a win should be close is what makes us lose more.

Yesterday i did it again, made 1 deposit to the casino, and after losing all then i started making more deposits, it was that feeling that made me depo 6 times, and the win never came. Sometimes we need one of those reality shots to understand the danger behind gambling. This time i lost a big amount learned the leason and walked away. But in the end, i leave with that same feeling, a big win should be close, but it doesn't worth to keep trying.

This happens to us often. When we first deposit in gambling, the target is to make a good profit, but if the balance goes down a lot due to loss, then we think that if we recover our original balance, we will stop playing. But when we can recover it, we are tempted to profit. And we then continue to play without stopping gambling. It is greed for emotions and money. this is what happens when you gamble. This is why one should always gamble with caution and with a fixed budget. then in that case you can control yourself a lot

Nothing is better than being in control of your gambling psychology and if the gambler has a good plan already, it will be easier as everything will be positive for such a gambler. Gambling has its own spirit, which is why it is so tempting to do it more, it cannot stop until we have a strong mind before we can do what we planned to do.

Most gamblers will never be satisfied with gaining, they will always want more, which could later put them into trouble, and the same goes for the losses, they always think the next bet could change the whole narrative. But instead, they might continue to lose.

The solution to this is to be disciplined and have our gambling budget and viable management. We should know why we are gambling, how we want to gamble and when to quit without thinking twice.

It is usually easy to declare that you need to be strict with yourself and disciplined in gambling. However, when it comes to the game itself, as I think, then immediately the majority of players completely forget about this, generally correct, recommendation. And completely immerse themselves in the game process without thinking about any discipline. And sometimes even just starts a chaotic, spontaneous game, which naturally leads him to a loss much faster. Unfortunately, not all players have enough willpower to show discipline in the game in time. In other words, to force yourself to stop the game in time. This is exactly the problem that cannot be solved even with the most correct advice. Only gaming experience and trained self-control of the player can really solve it. This is already an experienced player.

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Quote from: coinerer on October 30, 2024, 10:42:48 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on October 22, 2024, 08:54:27 AM

Have you ever had that feeling? after a crazy losing streak, the feeling that a win should be close is what makes us lose more.

Yesterday i did it again, made 1 deposit to the casino, and after losing all then i started making more deposits, it was that feeling that made me depo 6 times, and the win never came. Sometimes we need one of those reality shots to understand the danger behind gambling. This time i lost a big amount learned the leason and walked away. But in the end, i leave with that same feeling, a big win should be close, but it doesn't worth to keep trying.

This happens to us often. When we first deposit in gambling, the target is to make a good profit, but if the balance goes down a lot due to loss, then we think that if we recover our original balance, we will stop playing. But when we can recover it, we are tempted to profit. And we then continue to play without stopping gambling. It is greed for emotions and money. this is what happens when you gamble. This is why one should always gamble with caution and with a fixed budget. then in that case you can control yourself a lot

Nothing is better than being in control of your gambling psychology and if the gambler has a good plan already, it will be easier as everything will be positive for such a gambler. Gambling has its own spirit, which is why it is so tempting to do it more, it cannot stop until we have a strong mind before we can do what we planned to do.

Most gamblers will never be satisfied with gaining, they will always want more, which could later put them into trouble, and the same goes for the losses, they always think the next bet could change the whole narrative. But instead, they might continue to lose.

The solution to this is to be disciplined and have our gambling budget and viable management. We should know why we are gambling, how we want to gamble and when to quit without thinking twice.

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Quote from: laijsica on October 30, 2024, 12:05:04 AM

A tendency to be overly greedy in gambling can cause a gambler to experience greater financial losses and may be subject to socially unacceptable behavior. Greed should be avoided not only in gambling but in all situations because the tendency to be greedy makes a person avoid everything. In order to control oneself in gambling people should limit the amount of money allocated to them. If a gambler can manage the process of balancing his entertainment with his limited amount of money, his tendency to lose extra money can be greatly reduced.

Also to avoid being greedy a gambler should coordinate his gambling with time constraints. Spending too much time gambling can make it difficult for gamblers to maintain self-control, which eventually leads to addiction.

That is what they must avoids because greediness will not gives them benefit at all. They will lose their money especially when they want to chase more winning. They should know how to manage their greed so that will not gives them a problem while playing gambling. By learning more about controlling themselves in gambling, they will know how to stop gambling when they win and will not chase the next winning. The next big win can comes someday so they must satisfy with what they get today. Limiting their time in gambling also help them to know that they must stop gambling immediately so they will not spends more money because that will not always guarantee them to win big.

Quote from: zuzie on October 30, 2024, 10:07:59 AM

Yes, the fact is that people who are addicted and greedy in gambling cannot just stop because both of these bad attitudes are already embedded in them, even though they try to be cured, it will still be difficult if they don't really want to change completely.
And maybe by reducing their excessive attitude in gambling, it will indirectly reduce large financial losses.
Yes, seeing and understanding the experiences of other gamblers can be one step to control yourself to be better and more careful when gambling and I agree that using gambling for fun is a positive activity and not thinking that gambling will easily make money quickly.

Addicted and greedy can makes someone forget that gambling is just a place to have fun. They will gets deeper in gambling without knowing that they must stop gambling immediately. They should not think that the next big win will comes in the next rounds because that can attract them difficult to stop. They must understand that gambling is just for have fun and if they want to make money, they better search for the works which can gives them money. However, they must reset their mindset if they have that thought as gambling can makes them bankrupt fast.

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Quote from: coinerer on October 30, 2024, 10:42:48 AM

This happens to us often. When we first deposit in gambling, the target is to make a good profit, but if the balance goes down a lot due to loss, then we think that if we recover our original balance, we will stop playing. But when we can recover it, we are tempted to profit. And we then continue to play without stopping gambling. It is greed for emotions and money. this is what happens when you gamble. This is why one should always gamble with caution and with a fixed budget. then in that case you can control yourself a lot

I’ve come to understand that once in a while in a gambler’s life, even if you’re a responsible gambler, you might find yourself chasing some losses, I do it sometimes, but I never allow my quest for recovery lure me into losing more than I initially intended to lose. Let’s say, I initially budgeted to gamble with $20 and then I lose it all, and I check myself and see that I can actually risk another $10, I’d attempt using the $10 to see if I could make some quick recovery, but if I eventually lose the $10, I take a walk and don’t go further because if I do, I’ll end up losing more and more on the course of attempting to recover.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 22, 2024, 08:54:27 AM

Have you ever had that feeling? after a crazy losing streak, the feeling that a win should be close is what makes us lose more.

Yesterday i did it again, made 1 deposit to the casino, and after losing all then i started making more deposits, it was that feeling that made me depo 6 times, and the win never came. Sometimes we need one of those reality shots to understand the danger behind gambling. This time i lost a big amount learned the leason and walked away. But in the end, i leave with that same feeling, a big win should be close, but it doesn't worth to keep trying.

This happens to us often. When we first deposit in gambling, the target is to make a good profit, but if the balance goes down a lot due to loss, then we think that if we recover our original balance, we will stop playing. But when we can recover it, we are tempted to profit. And we then continue to play without stopping gambling. It is greed for emotions and money. this is what happens when you gamble. This is why one should always gamble with caution and with a fixed budget. then in that case you can control yourself a lot

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Quote from: eisen33 on October 29, 2024, 12:29:41 PM

Betting on expectations can be a mistake, expecting a win after a losing streak is like expecting a team that scores very few goals to score again. It seems to make sense, but it is initially an event with a low probability, and it seems to me that it is better to choose something that happens much more often. And I also think that winning does not depend on previous betting results, there is almost no connection, especially if the player bets on different events, teams or even in different games.

No, these are just purely random events that have no connection with each other. Yes, you are right about the fact that it is better to bet on an event that happens much more often, but do not forget that here too there are quite often exceptions to the rules. I have personally been convinced of this more than once. This is a huge world with its own peculiarities and all this should be accepted as a given.

As I understand it, you want to find some patterns. Are they really there? I am not sure about this fact, but it is up to you to decide, of course.

Yes, especially in casino games, there is absolutely no relationship between previous results and subsequent results, in the simple sense that if before you managed to achieve a number of wins, it does not mean that a big win will come soon, or if it turns out that you previously experienced a series of defeats, it does not mean that a big win will come if you continue to recover the situation. We must understand that everything that happens in gambling is nothing more than a "coincidence".

Betting on events that occur more often may indeed increase the chances of winning, but of course you have also explained it simply that everything will not always go the same, there is the possibility of exceptions and everything that we would never have expected before.
On the other hand, I often hear the word "pattern" from gamblers who are involved in casino games, especially in slots, many of them believe that there is a pattern that can bring victory, but in terms of rational thinking, of course it is nothing more than nonsense.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 29, 2024, 11:06:17 PM

Quote from: zuzie on October 29, 2024, 10:11:32 AM

Only people who are addicted and have a very high greedy nature will do something like what you said above, namely when he has won in front of his eyes but somehow he still wants to continue gambling in order to get more wins and you are right, it is not certain that after he returns to play he will get the win easily or on the contrary he loses money from the previous win because he has bet it all to satisfy the greed in his heart and as a result he goes home without bringing any money and is happy, instead he experiences great regret and sadness.

Those who have greedy will not know when they must stops gambling instead just keep trying to chase the win. We know that can happens to people who are addicted but that can also happens to people who can not controls themselves in gambling. Those people really need to check on themselves and see that they are greed from chasing the win. We can say that we are so close with the win but we must realize that we are still far away from the winning because we don't know when we can win from the games. So that makes us to understand that gambling is not for make money but only for having fun.

Yes, the fact is that people who are addicted and greedy in gambling cannot just stop because both of these bad attitudes are already embedded in them, even though they try to be cured, it will still be difficult if they don't really want to change completely.
And maybe by reducing their excessive attitude in gambling, it will indirectly reduce large financial losses.
Yes, seeing and understanding the experiences of other gamblers can be one step to control yourself to be better and more careful when gambling and I agree that using gambling for fun is a positive activity and not thinking that gambling will easily make money quickly.

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Quote from: fruktik on October 30, 2024, 12:32:01 AM

Quote from: eisen33 on October 29, 2024, 12:29:41 PM

Betting on expectations can be a mistake, expecting a win after a losing streak is like expecting a team that scores very few goals to score again. It seems to make sense, but it is initially an event with a low probability, and it seems to me that it is better to choose something that happens much more often. And I also think that winning does not depend on previous betting results, there is almost no connection, especially if the player bets on different events, teams or even in different games.

No, these are just purely random events that have no connection with each other. Yes, you are right about the fact that it is better to bet on an event that happens much more often, but do not forget that here too there are quite often exceptions to the rules. I have personally been convinced of this more than once. This is a huge world with its own peculiarities and all this should be accepted as a given.

As I understand it, you want to find some patterns. Are they really there? I am not sure about this fact, but it is up to you to decide, of course.

Well, what are the patterns if everything is fair in any gambling game. Here, any subsequent result is either you win or you lose. But how to place bets, this is already the work of our brain and it is quite likely that it begins to confuse us and itself comes up with probable outcomes of different betting options. And then it also chooses the best option. But in my opinion, relying on your brain in the game and especially on the logic that it tries to adhere to is only good for players who, even if they succeed in gambling, still have not become great players with amazing luck. These players are something like catching information from space, such as receivers of universal information. Well, this can of course be called intuition. And that is what those who sometimes have it call it, it sometimes suggests a game action that completely contradicts logic.

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Quote from: eisen33 on October 29, 2024, 12:29:41 PM

Betting on expectations can be a mistake, expecting a win after a losing streak is like expecting a team that scores very few goals to score again. It seems to make sense, but it is initially an event with a low probability, and it seems to me that it is better to choose something that happens much more often. And I also think that winning does not depend on previous betting results, there is almost no connection, especially if the player bets on different events, teams or even in different games.

No, these are just purely random events that have no connection with each other. Yes, you are right about the fact that it is better to bet on an event that happens much more often, but do not forget that here too there are quite often exceptions to the rules. I have personally been convinced of this more than once. This is a huge world with its own peculiarities and all this should be accepted as a given.

As I understand it, you want to find some patterns. Are they really there? I am not sure about this fact, but it is up to you to decide, of course.

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