Interestingly, it seems to be easier to get theymos' attention on reddit than on bitcointalk lol.
BadBear had previously dealt with this thread. I don't see any reason why
both BadBear and theymos would need to address this thread. They have the same "mod ranking" so what BadBear says should be just as good as something that Theymos says
Two main points from theymos' post there:
1. theymos knew the existence of this thread, and chose to not to deal with the recovery request as the case is uncertain.
I would suggest that there is more evidence that the original owner sold then account then there is evidence that the account was not sold. If there was only a small amount of evidence the account was hacked then the account would likely have been recovered (especially considering how good bayuo is at getting attention).
2. theymos handles a few account recoveries each month only, and many requests get ignored.
He also said that the reason most accounts are hacked/lost is because of "user error". There was recently an "attack" when several phishing PMs were sent in which a link to a "post" was sent with the bitcointalk.org domain but with one of the "i"'s being replaced with a "l". There have been several reports of accounts being hacked since this "attack" and it appears that few/none of these were actually returned. (I would also not be surprised if bayuo was behind this attack in an attempt to either recover his old account or to wreck additional havoc on the forum, or to create additional attention towards the lack of the ability to get accounts recovered - although this is speculation - I reach this conclusion because of bayuo's apparent lack of morals, as he has reneged on his work at least once [when he offered to buy back the account at the purchase price and then backed out] and the evidence that he did in fact sell his account and is now trying to recover it). I would be curious if the zedicus account received a PM from this attack
EDIT: One example of how bayuo is able to get a lot of attention is the fact that this thread has received more views then the sticky thread about how to recover hacked/forgotten password accounts
Are flipping kidding me.. You have a lot of nerve trying to ruin someones good name! You already stole my account and now you are claiming im some sort of hacker.. You are a pathetic individual! You are a liar and a con and there is nothing you can do to change that. Just because i cant prove that the person who was controlling my account when it got sold wasnt me doesnt change the fact that my account was hacked/stolen and that YOU bought it without asking for proof of ownership!! --->> Similar to buying a car with no title. You have no response for that so the best you can do is name calling. Today im a hacker tomorrow im a evil superhero, astronaut the next day?
No deal was made and no BTC was received from PD. Quickseller received that BTC as he has been farming a few accounts.
I've been doing my research to start a scam accusation thread. I've identified around 3-4 alt accounts and I have been speaking with people who have trust. I plan to fry his whole business.
Stunna 30: -0 / +20(20) 2014-08-19 0.19320000 Reference I participated in the PD sig campaign. Trusted member.
You received at least 0.1932 BTC from PD.
If the current owner of the account zedicus is telling the truth, it could be indicating the account was still controlled by Quickseller at least until August 19.
For the alt accounts, how are you going to prove they are controlled by Quickseller? Will Badbear check the PM logs or IP data for that matter?
After asking Quickseller to prove he controlled my Zedicus account... Quickseller PM'd me on Aug "20" using the "Zedicus" account (August 20, 2014, 03:45:55 PM) I have that PM to prove it.
Thats what lead me to believe they are either one in the same person or they were in cahoots and working together.
But lets just say for the for the sake of conversation they are different people... In terms of being a liar!!!! From day one the controller of the zedicus account has been lying!!
Let me Jog everyone's memory... On Aug 16 when i made this thread. The person operating my zedicus account pretended like he was the original owner and said that i was a scammer trying to steal his account! Remember that!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8376811
Then on September 8th
Tomatoecage caught him in lying!!! So for 12 days he pretended to be me until this moment. Then he suddenly said he purchased the account!! I think he was to stupid to realize he fucked up!!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8734620
Tomatocage called him out for the liar that he is!!
( "Thanks for telling us the account was purchased" )
Its also the reason the controller of the Zedicus account got into it with Tomatoecage!! He called him out on his lie and he realized he had been made a fool of.
Thats when he started changing his tune ... that was also around the time when STUNNA's PD campaign was ending.
He then drops a mind blowing confession, that he
**actually dialoged** with Quickseller about the validity of his claims to owning the account!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8887615
In that post he says: it was revealed by Quickseller to the public that this account has been purchased (breaching the agreement). Furthermore, if bayuo is telling the truth (although I doubt he is), Quickseller further breached the agreement by telling me this was not a hacked account. He assured me that it would be problem-free.
What!!? It was the Zedicus account who revealed to the public the account was purchased!! TomatoeCage called you out on it on the spot!!!!
Then he drops this dooosy! Quickseller further breached the agreement by telling me this was not a hacked account. He assured me that it would be problem-free.
Really!!! He assured you!!!
You actually had that conversation with him!!! So you asked him to prove he owned the account right?
! You asked him for a signed msg from the previous owner and Quickseller assured you "it will be problem free"
So its like you purchased a car without a title ... knowing the account was stolen! Even after the guy selling you the account says he has no title!! NO signed msg!!!
YOU STILL BOUGHT IT!!You knowingly bought a stolen account and now you are claiming to have been ripped off.
I call
BULLS***!! You knew the account was stolen, YOU admitted to actually having the conversation with the con man himself ( Quickseller)
So the current operator of the Zedicus is a liar in every sense of the word!
**He lied** when he claimed he was me (original owner) Aug 16
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8376811**He lied** about the account being purchased until TomatoeCage Called him out!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8734620**He lied** about being a victim when he knowingly bought a stolen account.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8887615If im making any of this up please feel free to call me out on it but you cant because you are a liar and
**Its your own words im quoting**!!
So In terms of telling the truth. The current operator of the Zedicus account is a liar straight up!
Now in terms of Quickseller. Its obvious from not only my perspective but from the perspective of other members who have read this thread that Quickseller is the thief himself or was working in concert with whoever stole my account.
Whoever sold my account to Quickseller impersonated me and i cant prove it wasnt me! All that would have been required from Quickseller was to ask for a **signed msg**! Thats it! All of this would have been avoided but instead he too **"chose"** to purchase a STOLEN account knowingly just like the current operator of my zedicus account **"chose"** to purchase the said STOLEN account from Quickseller!!
*******************The only person who didnt have a **choice** was me! I just lost access to my account and came to meta asking for help and i was accused of selling my own account.
*******************When i posted on reddit it was to ask the community (r/bitcoin) why it would be ok to sell user accounts?.. I felt as if i had done everything correctly and i was put in a situation where i couldnt prove my innocence because i was being impersonated! I didnt think for one second that **Theymos would actually reply** and to my surprise he did!
**He replied:** It's clear that the OP owned the account at one point. But there's a decent chance that the current owner bought the account from the original owner. Since the case is uncertain, **I'm erring on the side of inaction for now.**
**Theymos also said:**To my knowledge, there has only ever been one account stolen due to a flaw in the forum itself
**Unique situation?**At the end of the day its Theymos's community and its up to him to decide how he wants to run the place but to claim there has been no account stolen due to a flaw in the forum is just not being fair to people like myself whos accounts have been stolen from them without repercussion. Im not sure if my situation is unique or if there are others who have lost their accounts in this way but for sure **its a flaw in the forum** whether Theymos wants to admit to it or not is another thing altogether.
In that regard we can agree to disagree.
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One thing for sure.. a couple people have been dead on the mark and their perspective lets me know that im not going crazy and that i am getting through to not only the mods but everyone reading this thread too!
I was re-reading this thread and it seems $username has been calling it how he sees it the whole time! He has been money and i will use him and another member as an example to show that im not coming out of left field when i say there is a huge flaw in the forum and i have been taken advantage of because of it.
There is no 2factor, no email verification when a users email is changed .. nothing. That in combination with the allowing of accounts to be bought and sold ( WITHOUT A SIGNED MSG FROM PREVIOUS OWNER) i believe creates and environment perfect for the manipulation of the flaw.
**Daylight!!:**Now where i see some daylight is in the response that Theymos gave as to why user accounts are ok to be bought and sold at bitcointalk.org.
I thought he was about to say something of substance or maybe something
ideology based like some libertarian yada yada but what he replied with let me know there maybe a chance we can convince him to change his mind so that this forum flaw can't be used to steal other peoples accounts.
Here's Theymos's reply as to why accounts are ok to sell here: ( you decide if he is approachable for change )"While I find the idea of selling accounts to be distasteful, I suppose it's a good thing for people to be able to get some money for their previous high-quality forum contributions if they no longer value the account. I've had people ask me whether they could sell their accounts because they desperately need the money, and I really don't want to say no to such requests."
(end quote)
Ill sum up this post by saying i haven't told a single lie during this whole ordeal and ive been put in a position where i cant defend myself because i was being impersonated. But the two other people who were involved ( the current operator of the Zedicus account and Quickseller) have not been telling the truth since day 1 and i have proved so in "their" own words!
*************************These post below were made by onlookers $username and bluefirecorp and they lead me to believe that not only have i not been coming out of left field but what im saying is actually getting through. One of the reasons Themos said he was opting for inaction was because of the length of this thread and that alot of investigation was needed but some of these replies came on page 2-3 of this thread. I dont think my perspective was exclusive to me and i believe the Theymos considered it tho he opted to not participate in the dialog until the latter end of the ordeal.
That said these posts make it clear there is a forum flaw!!! I dont think Theymos is unreasonable, and i think if we give him reason enough he will do whats right to protect the users of his forum! But as it stands he believes "
there has only ever been one account stolen due to a flaw in the forum itself"!! That is where we disagree. Assuming he wasnt talking about my zedicus account.
By the way..
**A big thanks to STUNNA from PrimeDice** who reached out multiple times on reddit and apologized for not being able to assess the matter and take action! As i told him on reddit .. its not his fault someone was using his service maliciously!
The PrimeDice campaign is done and he could have just just ignored my posts altogether but instead he "chose" to reach out and apologize and that meant the world to me. Thanks for that STUNNA!
Perspective posts from bitcointalk members in this thread!
How to hack Bitcointalk accounts and keep them
1. Hack account.
2. Pretend to 'sell' your hacked account to someone else (that someone else being yourself, or a friend, etc)
3. When original account owner comes back and sends signed message for account restoration, claim that you legitimately bought the account.
4. theymos doesn't restore the account back to the original owner
5. profit!
Of course not. I speculate that Quickseller may be running a hacked account laundering campaign, and the current controller of Zedicus is either an innocent victim or the hacker (or connected with the hacker).
DING DING DING!!!
QuickSeller, you're either a moron or the hacker of the account. Your 'evidence' is absolutely worthless.
The hacker could've not changed the password on Zedicus until it is sold, and could have changed the email to prevent PM email notifications. Then bayuo could log in, post, and do everything perfectly fine until the day the account is sold - he would've only been alerted that someone hacked his account by then.
Is it strange that he posted about his account being hacked the day he discovered it was hacked?
This is blatantly obvious. The fact that you are not mentioning this makes me believe you are the person who hacked the account, or working together with the account hacker.
It seems rather simple;
Hacker gained access to OP's account.
Hacker cleansed account of BTC address posts / changed email / password.
Hacker contacted Quickseller and acted as though he was OP.
Quickseller thought he was dealing with OP.
Quickseller sold account to other person.
If it were me that was making the decision, OP would get his account back. Quickseller refunds the buyer his amount. Quickseller takes a loss on the account. Quickseller should verify account ownership better.
