Topic: Account Hacked Help Plz! - page 5. (Read 15016 times)

I've already reached out to old zedicus, as you can see he does not want to work with me. He seems disorientated/ manic.

I want a solution, not scribble. All I want is my 1.1 BTC back.

The funny thing is, you actually do care. Otherwise, you wouldn't waste your life trying to be a mod with your default trust. You put so much time into your online personality but you get no recognition. You are just another bitcointalk user who doesn't have anything else better to do with his/ her time. I hope you don't kick your cat, otherwise how else would you get your power trips? I referenced a cat because it is clear you don't have a family.

Sad.

bayou / old zedicus;

You have to admit that the scenario proposed by QuickSeller (the account was sold with the intention to gain it back through signed messages) is at least plausible. If you got hacked/cheated I understand you're sour about it at best. But some restraint would be in order. Staying calm and reasonable is more likely to lead to an acceptable resolution. Rants filled with expletives are not furthering your case. Especially since even if you were hacked QuickSeller and the eventual account buyer may still have acted in good faith.

If I understand BadBear he has no conclusive evidence for either side, and thus no basis to act upon. In my society we are guilty until proven innocent. I extend that to QuickSeller / new zedicus.

First of all thank you for blessing us with your presence! All ive asked for from the start was for a mod to look into what happened. Instead you and Theymos chose to go silent! Its Theymos's place and i wont tell him how to run his community but really?



Anyway .. Of course he is not reputable!! If Quickseller buys and sells accounts here at bitcointalk which he does, Its should be a god dam common conversation!!!!


Like this: "If you own the account you are trying to sell me. Send a signed msg from the btc address associated with the account!"   But of course he didnt do that!!




The current operator of my Zedicus account is in cahoots with Quickseller or they are one in the same person! I asked Quickseller to post proof he was in control of my account and the current operator of my Zedicus Account pm'd me on the 20th saying "You can PM via via quickseller. "














Really? i used a 36 character password on my account!!









Definitely not! Quickseller knowingly buys and sells stolen user accounts at the minimum!!  If he was remotely a stand up guy at all he would have asked for a signed msg to prove the account was indeed being sold by the true owner of the account.  








I didnt know what PrimeDice was until my account was hacked, so the account was signed up for PD after it was stolen from me!! Thats another thing that really bothers me! I sent a signed msg to Stunna asking for help and even left a post in his thread!!  Stunna is supposedly the guy who runs PD! I got the idea to contact him from this guy "Relnarien" or another guy named "Light".



 










Like i said above, you are in cahoots with Quickseller, werent you just calling me a tard in PM and suddenly you show up talking about "I've come forward to work this out with both parties".


 the only reason you are here right now is because PRIMEDICE maybe going bye bye and you may not get ROI on a stolen user account that you have been using to spam PD in the sig!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8739735

& what the fuck are you talking about "Nothing in my history indicates that I am looking to scam"


You are using my stolen account!!! You are a fraud in every sense of the word!!



Dont be mad at Tomatocage because he is calling you out! Come on Quickseller or whoever the hell you are! Show us the signed msg you have from the two btc addresses associated with my Zedicus account.


Show us fucking anything!  





 

And that is why you will NEVER be considered to be a mod. You are too trigger happy with your trust ratings (I agree with what Quickseller pointed out). Someone has already mentioned that the new Zedicus account has hugely increased their post count. I wonder what that could have been for (hint: signature)? Nothing in my history indicates that I am looking to scam. If anything, I've come forward to work this out with both parties. I want to get to the bottom of this as much as everyone else so I'm not sure why a bunch of people have decided to jump the gun before the truth was unveiled.

I have 1.1 BTC up in the air right now, I have as much reason as OP and Quicksellers to sort this out.

Looking at all of the negative trust you have left (you have left a lot), only three mention the account being sold. The zedicus account because the account was sold is one. Goodnightcoin because he was trying to sell his account and was trying to take out multiple loans is number two. The third was a 2011 account that was trying to take out a .5 loan and you assumed it was a sold account for this reason. You also had 3-4 consecutive negative posts about people selling hacked accounts to only have the new owner regain control of the account.

All of your other negative trust was for other reasons. I think the most common reason was due to newbie+loan request, but there were a lot of "alt" of x scammer ones as well.

To relate the buying of accounts to lending (something you are involved in): if the sale of accounts was more accepted by the community, and you know how much a particular account is worth, then you can generally lend up to 1/2 of what the account is worth because they could get a lot more by selling the account vs borrowing money and running off.

See my above post. I was in contact with him over three days and no reports of the account being hacked came up. A quick review of his posts did not show him posting any BTC addresses. As per above (one of the first few posts in the thread) show him participating in a group buy however it would have been difficult to know the address was associated with the account without looking at every single thread it posted in.

The main reason that I feel like bayuo was trying to scam is because he had not posted in ~a month, then creates a new account (to recover his "hacked" account) the same day the account is sold. This would have been at least 3 days after the latest time the account could have been hacked.

Fair enough, and you're right - I'm not very smart. However, I still do not trust any purchased accounts, period; hence your negative trust. That being said, I'll remove my negative rating until the issue is sufficiently sorted out.

@Quickseller: Did the person who you negotiated a sale price with provide any sort of proof he was the actual owner? Ie. signed an address that was previously attached to the zedicus account?

Personal experience. Every single purchased account I've ever encountered was done so for reasons that were not exactly above-board, to say the least. I'm sure there are a few cases where people use them legitimately for sig campaigns, but as a rule of thumb I do not trust purchased accounts.

You are both right and reasonable. I haven't seen the new owner do anything weird yet. The "Hero" rank may give them more credibility than they earned, but I guess others will have to see through that. It's hard to tell who is lying and who is telling the truth. I have seen no evidence of an hack. I've seen no evidence of a sale either. As much as I'd like to have some conclusive evidence I'm not willing to invest time in it.

I left my feedback (which I deliberately made with the only facts that I know) as a note (for myself) that the account was sold once. I do not know another way without any negative/positive trust effect to leave a note like this. I had a secondary motive; giving new zedicus a reason to convince the community that they obtained the account in good faith before they get kicked out of their signature campaign.
I admit it's not the intended use of the trust system (and even assholish to make them risk losing their signature campaign) so I will just rely on this thread being around to provide my "note-to-self" and remove my trust on the zedicus account.

I hope account buyers will find a way to avoid these disputes in the future.

Leaving feedback because of a lack of evidence isn't really a good reason. I don't trust anyone involved in this, so I stay out of it.


Except he did post his opinion on what happened, or his version of events, and since it included that the account was bought by necessity, he got negative feedback for it. Not taking sides here, I don't trust anyone involved in this. Quickseller, if he wants to be reputable should have confirmed the account wasn't stolen before buying it. Current owner of Zedicus should have confirmed this. Original owner of zedicus should have been more careful with his account. 


Except you and others gave him the feedback as soon as he did post openly. If he posts proof, it's also proof he bought the account. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Makes it really hard to resolve these situations when people leave negative feedback for posting about it. I'm not picking on you specifically, you aren't the only one.

@bayuo The new owner of the zedicus account has offered to sell his account to you for the price he paid (against my recommendation). I would suggest that you do so as this is the only way you will be able to get control of what you claim to be your former account back, and have any credibility. The negative trust that you had Lucky Cris leave the account says that you are willing "to pay current user the amount he paid for the account", you also sent me the following PM (PM#2744455) I have made no edits to the PM other then to bold the part about you offering to pay what I paid for it.
I respond via PM (PM#2685818)
@TF I am confident that the opposite happened.

A more accurate representation of what he was likely trying to have happen was:
1. Sell account for well under market value knowing an account buyer would likely jump at the opportunity
2. Pretend that account was hacked
3. Once the transfer of ownership of the account is complete and payment is received from escrow or the buyer PM theymos claiming account was hacked
4. theymos resets email to the previous owners email address
5. profit!

It was signed up after. Please see above PMs showing how this was part of the original agreement.

@tomatocage - please remove the negative trust. He is not trying to conduct business with the subject account (at least nothing that has been posted in public). Your trust feedback says you wold not trust him with anything because the account is purchased. I would think that you would also not trust anyone who has not publicly conducted business on the forum/btc-otc (you would probably want either use escrow or for him to go first), however you do not give any negative trust to any of them. He does not have any meaningful positive trust that would allow others to think he is trustworthy. You may or may not believe me but I have sold a lot of accounts on here and none of them have been used to scam (none of them have received negative trust trusted or untrusted or a scam accusation that I can see - yes I check periodically). Most of them are used for signature campaigns. Hero accounts are generally sought after because of the prestige they offer, people tend to respect (but not trust) people posting from a hero account. If a person is to try to scam with a purchased account then they would need to scam at least the amount they purchased the account for, but also risk that amount as if someone thinks they are trying to scam they will get legitimate negative trust and lose their investment. Your negative trust makes his trust show as red which takes away the prestige of having a hero account. I think you should remove your negative trust.

@ABitNut your negative trust says that the account is purchased and being used on a signature campaign. I really don't think this is a reason to not trust someone. A purchased account on a signature campaign is providing advertising to the person paying for him signature. A purchased account will likely add to conversations that would likely not otherwise be had because of the incentive to contribute. I do not think this is a valid reason to give negative trust. I think you should remove the trust you left zedicus.  

@TF Your negative trust says that the original owner has offered to pay the current owner the price he paid for it. As per bayuo's above post zedicus offered to sell the account back to him at the price that he paid for it. Bayuo replied with what essentially was zero interest in trying to reach an agreement. I think you should remove the negative trust.

@zedicus - having it be suspected that an account is sold, and the account admitting to it being sold are two very different things. The selling of accounts is allowed and is within the forum rules, however many people do not like it when an account is sold, they tend to think it will automatically be used to scam. As badbear said above, this mentality is bad and will do long term harm to the community. It was already established that your account was not going to be taken from you. Like I said in the PM I sent you, I would strongly recommend that you use escrow if bayuo is going to buy the account from you as I very much do not trust him.

TL;DL - bayuo PMed me 3 days prior to selling me the zedicus account. He sold it to me with the intention of having the email reset so he could steal the BTC that I paid for it. When this did not work he went public and tried to get the upper hand to force me to sell it back to him at the price I paid for it (I declined because it would mean he would lose nothing when he failed to scam successfully). Examples of trying to get an upper hand, telling people to have stunna not payout the earnings from the signature campaign, asking mods to ban the account, trying to get people to negative trust the account.

Like I said before I am fine with any mod with PM access to verify the above quoted PMs are accurate. I am also curious to know if the email was ever changed on the zedicus account prior to it being sold, or if the email was ever reset via a signed message (I think the chances of getting an answer on this are low).

You must not be very smart since it is throughout the entire thread. I wish I had the time to be a try-hard mod to get some self-worth in my life. If you want to be the towns sheriff, at least know the rules of the land (which you clearly do not understand). Or simply grow up.  


Like BadBear said, I'm trying to be open about the process but if people act like crazed animals, you are only going to push this practice down further. Especially when it is within forum rules to do so. If people more spoke about it without fear, it would be a more open topic.

I have already reached out to both parties. Quickseller gave me a lot of information about the deal which makes it look like OP sold the account with the intention to try and reclaim it later. Which is fraud. I have also reached out to the OP and offered him to buy the account back for the price I paid. I just got some queer manic response, therefore he must not want his account too badly.

I'm still happy to negotiate. I think OP and Quicksellers should work together to compensate me for the BTC I paid. Otherwise I will be out of pocket for doing something that is within the forum rules.

I'll keep everyone posted and hopefully we can come to an agreement.

 

If the "compelling evidence" is made public my feedback will be removed. So far the "buyer" of the account is being shady in my opinion. And the original owner is disputing the sale. Something is up, isn't it?

Maybe it's a bit of a vicious circle... Buying accounts is a pretty underground activity right now. So people don't trust bought accounts and leave negative feedback to warn others. In turn account buyers try to hide.
However, the circle can be broken from both sides. The buyer can take the first step and be transparent about what happened. That could breed enough trust to get the negative feedback returned.

And in this case the negative feedback might accomplish something. I know the new owner is signed up for a signature campaign. The negative feedback thing may get him kicked out of that. I hope it will give them an incentive to resolve this particular issue openly.

I don't know why people leave feedback for accounts just because they are bought /sold. It doesn't really accomplish anything in the big picture, and only serves to drive the activity underground, which leads to a lot of people getting screwed over. If people didn't leave negative feedback, people would probably be a lot more open about what accounts are being sold/bought, which would be much more beneficial over the long term than the short term benefits of a few accounts getting bad feedback.

Well, not at least it's in the open that the account was bought.

Regarding this compelling evidence... Just saying it's there doesn't convince me. You'd have to provide it. Publicly.

Of course, there's no need to convince me at all. So carry on I guess.

There is compelling evidence to show that a hacker hacked this account, and pretended to sell it to prohibit the original owner from getting the account back.

Left negative trust.

You've gone from trying to be the original owner to saying the account was purchased...odds are not in your favor.

Do you have any idea how the hacker was able to obtain your credentials? It would be good to share so that others may learn from it..

Show the compelling evidence!!! Show it to a global moderator or post it here!! Nobody has shown me shit!!!


I asked Quickseller to prove he was in control of my account and on the 20th you pm'd me:







Did you read that! Thats him telling me to pm him via his Quickseller account!  


Show us this compelling evidence! Everyone in this thread has been waiting for someone to show us ANYTHING!
 

The last time i spoke with "Quickseller" via pm i told him look man you are either a royal idiot or retarded if you havent figured out im not the guy who sold you my account! At that point he got his panies in a bunch and fucked off and claimed he would never give me my account and would never consider even selling it to me!  



Then yesterday out of the blue i get a pm from guess who!! "Zedicus" or shall we say "Quickseller"!!! He probably realized that he lost his chance to get any btc out of me because of the above and decided to pm me as Zedicus!


This is the PM: and off-course i immediately call him out!





After i pm'd him that he responds by calling me a retard!! The same thing i called "Quickseller"!!! How coincidental! He couldnt even think up his own insult.




Ill say it private and ill call you out and and tell you in public! You sir are a looser and fraud!

I may have lost an account but you will have looser tattooed on your forehead for the rest of your life!

It gives me great pleasure to know that the best you can do in life is sell other peoples "bitcointalk.org" accounts.