Topic: Accusing BitsPoker - page 10. (Read 11963 times)

You were always going to do it anyway. You think I ever trusted you? No, you have an agenda just like everyone I've got stuck with here. I wasted my time and money on this more than anyone, yet I have complained the least.

I have suffered the most disappointment and AM walking away from this.

Personally, not my job or place to post them. But I'm sure Deadgiveaway could login and copy them if he wants.

This thread lacks a lot of blockchain tx proofs.
A LOT.
Like all of them.

[Reply to z3Moons after this post]

You're losing the ounce of respect I had for you, I'm really sorry to say that. I told you about the situation, why I was selling and all the strings attached. Told you that I wasn't eager to invest more in it and that it needed someone with more experience and funds. Even that there was a bug with withdraws at the time we were making the deal!

Wasn't just me that was blaming them, 3 other people said so, including a guy you found that I didn't even know.

So I forced you to buy the site? Do you even hear yourself right now?

That was the agreement. I wanted you to manage and fund it too, but you failed.

So you planned this from the start. Me spending money in BitsPoker after you bought it. NICE!

Why didn't you stop the freerolls then? I asked you on a number of occasions if you're sure there's enough to sustain them.

Everywhere in the business world if you don't understand something you're thinking of agreeing with, you can ASK. I answered to all of your questions, and you to mine. Remember how I wanted to cover all the scenarios in our agreement? Does that ring a bell? You said some terms, I said some terms, then negociated and agreed. If you didn't understand something you should have asked.

I was looking to sell the site. Not borrow money or let the site fail.

And I'm a loser too, for trusting you and spending money instead of you, but like you said it, that was your plan from the start. Still saying you owe me nothing?

No problem. Really curious how you're going to fix things. I'm sure z3Moons is eager to help . I just don't see why you felt the need to behave this way about it.

Yes I blame you for not being man enough and saying you own the site in the first place. In case you don't remember, here's how you introduced yourself in this thread:
You weren't hired by me. Seems like you're confused.
I made an even worse deal when I decided to work with somebody like you.

Sure, don't blame the freerolls that chewed up the btc that has been deposited in the site. The freeroll chips you never backed up with btc. Nah, I'm sure it doesn't have something to do with it.

/rant over
/drama over.
I cannot be bothered anymore about this. Anybody want their money back? Talk to deadgiveaway. I'm done spending my money on his failures and to be honest, I want my money back too!

Previously, before deadgiveaway appeared out of nowhere as mystery owner, I had doubts there was anyone but Cyrus running the show. However, after reading both sides of the story in this thread it sure looks like I was wrong to assume that Cyrus is alone.

Actually, if you don't mind my paranoia do we really know that deadgiveaway exists at all and not actually a fictional character made by Cyrus to muddy the waters?  (it's a joke of course... right?)

When I said that Cyrus is forthcoming I meant just that. It wasn't difficult to Google bitspoker history. Find the thread from half a year ago. Locate Cyrus. Speak to him. He answered my questions at the time. I've offered to remove guaranteed tournaments as means to reduce costs as they were out of funds . that was obvious.

Yet bitspoker account and email was silent. I thought it was all a game until deadgiveaway started replying in this thread.

Sorry if my messages from before and now have different angles, I didn't have the information then that i have now.

Peace

I posted the following (post #74) before this post of yours.  If still available would you please consider refunding me?

1HndeiACbUp3PvV5hcWzoEwURCCFLA9tP8
_______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________


I am sns on grindabit.  On Bitspoker I am stibe.  I deposited once for 0.1 btc, won a bit and my balance is now 0.140191 btc.

I have not withdrawn anything from my account.  I tried to withdraw starting ~2 weeks ago but have been unable to.

As stated by others there is no way player funds should ever have been used for ANYTHING.

May I please have MY btc back?

Well my hard drive died a few weeks ago and that keeps me from viewing the agreement which is only documented on Skype from my end. For some reason that means I can't go very far back in history. Yea, I didn't even bother to save terms to a file or anything, or screen shot because I figure all of this can be faked anyway, unless we can get a transcript from Skype.

If this proves anything to the players, my blockchain transaction ID of the BTC sent to get 50% of the sites profits and manage it: https://blockchain.info/tx/c1800d65812fe80e43711ec662812e4606d476cc18150dc420db53b22dde64ec

I never asked for the domain or anything like that because I didn't want to own it, and yes, I prefer to be anonymous due to living in an anti-business country with the worlds highest incarceration rate. It just makes me a little paranoid and I don't want to live in fear.

Ok this is important people, and Cyrus: YOU were out of funds before I made any deal. The site was broke, emails were already unanswered for weeks. I made a deal without knowing that the site wasn't even working. You blamed a bunch of people and bitcoin services for that, which I suffered through. I made a bad deal impulsively I'll admit, and feel taken advantage of to a degree, considering that I never really WANTED to buy the site as I knew very well I wasn't qualified to own it. I wanted to MANAGE IT and FUND IT because I knew instinctively that was the most logical thing. However, I acted impulsively as I said, and thought not to make a big deal about because I figured you were passionate about the site and would bring back some of the BTC after seeing what a little bit of dedicated management can do. Also, I expected to have enough to cover freerolls as they only costed .06 per day and at the time, I calculated I'd have 10 BTC at least to sustain the site before it reaches profitability. I'll admit, I ran low, but the point is I made a bad deal and we I think up to the point of me writing these very words, have been confused about the agreement, and I really think this was because you were in need of money. That's fine, I could have helped you out with a couple BTC and saved the rest to manage the site, friend. Now I'm just a loser like the rest, so yes, transfer the site to me and I'll have to fix this shit. So there, you can blame me for making a bad deal if it makes you feel validated some how. I am guilty for being stupid in dealing with you, but I wouldn't blame freerolls. Nope, that just doesn't make sense to me.

 So if Deadgiveaway posted the auction for the site, would someone buying it from him also be taking on the same agreement. What I mean is, does he have full ownership in that respect? If someone bought the site from him would they still be in for 50% of the profits as per the agreement you guys made?

 Also just out of curiosity would you be willing to throw out a rough estimate of what it might take to purchase this site as a turnkey operation free and clear of all ties with the exception of covering what players are already owed? It's fine if you guys would rather not, it's more to satisfy my curiosity as I said.

 It's unfortunate to think that this whole mess has killed what was a pretty good poker site, with a decent group of regular players.

I am curious about this as well. I am not the one who made the loan and if Deadgiveaway made it, I am pretty convinced he didn't tell me about it(he did mention in the past that he might make a loan though).

For a second there I thought there was something wrong with the various ways I was trying to explain things, thank you.
I do agree thatthings could have been handled better(prior and especiall after I sold to Deadgiveaway), and I am truly sorry it has come to this. Alas, nobody is perfect.

Not sure why you feel the need to threaten me, or why I should care or be afraid of these childish threats.
I'm going to repeat myself, try to focus all this energy towards something good, instead of making it your cause to threat and 'harm' me.

You were biassed from the start, ever since you started accusing me, I don't care about the reason. I was more than willing to cooperate in the thread and PM with all the replies and explanations I gave you.
Proof for what? If Deadgiveaway wants to post links to the blockchain, fine by me...

You say your line of work is in IT, something to do with domain names or whatever. Weren't you the one that was asking what is SSL in the BitsPoker lobby? - Something is fishy about you , I don't have an interest and don't care. Feel free to continue threatening, see how far that will get you in this world.

Who did you loan them to and at what terms? Can you provide proof with blockchain transaction?

Zerothree, while I definitely enjoy your vigor in regards to protecting bitspoker players, I have a feeling that you have stuck into thinking that situation black and white and Cyrus is the one in the wrong. No doubt he could have managed his property better while it was his - right now it belongs to deadgiveaway with conditions of paying half of profits to Cyrus. In terms of who has to reimburse players it's quite clear that it's deadgiveaways responsibility.

From what I gather from this thread deadgiveaway ran out of money and he's the one who made system drain players deposits by continuing free rolls and guaranteed tournaments.

I don't know neither one of owners but this much is clear from their statements. They had an agreement and funds ran out. It was deadgiveaways job to top the account or stop the freerolls yet he didn't. He didn't reply to our emails. He didn't log in to the game or forums.

Cyrus on other hand was replying to messages here and was forthcoming.

Just my two cents. Peace, darling

I know absolutely nothing about this. Deadgiveaway might shed some light upon this issue.
When I met him, he mentioned that he doesn't want to use his personal name(or at least the name I know him by), so he used the name Michael. One of his Skype IDs is michael.bitspoker(I don't have access to that account).
This has nothing to do with the fact that my name is also Michael(translation of Mihai).

Whatever.

I did re-explain lots of things because of your 'confusion'. No need for you to explain or re-explain anything, you said quite enough and I've humoured you enough.

You are referring to this:
I did refund you, wasn't my job, but still. I am willing to do one more refund.

you can add 3.2btc that list. it was only a laon i never saw back as promised. now i play at seals. his name is michael via his email.

Either troll or Deadgiveaway's buddy, I don't care(your stance is begining to get kinda obvious and boring). I've stated my point many times over.
If he wants his name all over it, fine by me. I'm not the one that should be responsible for refunds(even if I did add my money to BitsPoker after he acquired it and if I refunded you).
And to be honest I still wanted to help out this project, you are making me reconsider.

The addresses are generated from bitcoind, hosted on a VPS. Payments, both deposits and withdraws are automatic. Deposits and withdraws were done from the same balance. Main reason why there was a shortage of btc to handle withdraws is because of the freerolls.

Because Deadgiveaway's funds ran out, while keeping the freerolls, most likely it was withdrawn by somebody that had freeroll chips.

The transactions are all there, in bitcoind. If Deadgiveaway wants to share them, no problem with me, not my concern.

We had an agreement, that we both stood by. That is, until I had to fund things he should have funded and when I stopped this happened.

I am trying to resolve this, even if it may or may not be my job. Seems like my efforts have been misinterpreted so far.

You're right in the ballpark. 1-2 BTC is a high estimate in my opinion. This wouldn't have happened if Deadgiveaway would have said from day one that upon buying he only has X amount to invest in say, freerolls.

To be honest, I'm done dealing with drama. My name has been dragged through mud by unprofessional people enough.