Topic: Accusing BitsPoker - page 12. (Read 11961 times)

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I'm very sorry this turned out this way. I'll be sure to be more careful in picking people to do business with. As I said, I don't have anything personal with the guy, but he was in over his head(not saying I was any wiser, that's the reason I sold it).

LE: Added an announcement on the website.

 Well at least this thread is getting your attention now. We kind of need both parties involved here to clear the air for the players. Although I'm not sure any amount of trust with the site can be rebuilt.
 Someone should probably make an announcement on site to the players that are still there.
 As far as anything else is concerned, I feel like I've wasted enough time. My understanding of what has transpired is only slightly more clear, and I'm just cutting my losses and in the future be a lot less trusting of handing over coins.

When we made the deal, he wanted to remain anonymous. I respected that. Problems with that too? Would it been better if I released info on him and mentioning our agreement prior to this? I only respected the agreement.
I was talking in here, replying, before he showed up.
By this you mean more willing to point a finger or two in my direction.

12 out of 14 were the money for the site, money that has been sent to me.
The rest of the funds went into promotions(freerolls, giveaways, etc) and development(some work on the affiliate system, the transaction history page and the avatar, the latter being paid by me). Any other development work was done by me.
Funds ran out when freerolls and guaranteeds weren't funded anymore and players winning freerolls or winning chips from freeroll players made a withdraw. Again, this was a term of the agreement that he broke.

No reservation. I'd be glad if this story has a happy ending and am trying to help with that. But please refrain from saying he "babysitted my chatroom", as I made clear the terms of our deal and his quality in BitsPoker. He paid me with 12 BTC and half of the future profit. I repeated myself again because you somehow didn't understand.

I see that you only blame me, this is getting curious . But nonetheless, I did start BitsPoker and when I realised the project needed more funding and someone with more experience I decided to sell it. Sold it to the wrong guy apparently. My bad.
But don't say that I've been neglecting it, who do you think made the improvements on the website, in the client and so on? Just appeared out of nowhere?

A 0.35 was the total of my recent contribution for compensating freeroll chips(won't repeat the agreement again, I've done it enough).
Blockchain.info for 0.25 of it here.

I don't want to impress you, neither want to gain your trust. But I did reply kindly to your questions. Is this shady behaviour?
As for the pushing the blame. I only stated facts. When I said, speaking of Deadgiveaway, "I don't want to blame you or anything, I think you were just in over your head", was merely saying that I feel sorry this happened the way it did and that I don't think he's a bad guy. If that was too contradicting with or without context I'm sorry, but don't twist my words please.

Ok, give me an address.

A bit contradicting.
From what I know, he did took action on a number of multi-accounters. I personally haven't played much on BitsPoker, from principle.

The transaction history page only shows transactions happened after the date the page has been added. Maybe that deposit was older, but could be a bug on the page.

Should have transferred the domain to him after the transaction and all this would have been different. Just out of curiosity, would you still be blaming me if that were the case?
Domain transfer wasn't discussed, but I don't think he would have wanted to have his name all over things as he wanted to remain anonymous. And he still is anonymous. Do you happen to know who is Deadgiveaway? But I do appreciate the effort to dig up info on me, I have no problem with that, as I was the one that put it online. But somehow I'm still shady in comparison to him.
I'll look and post some more blockchain.info links.

I can't be more straightforward than this. A talk on Skype is still possible, would be interesting to see if Deadgiveaway talked to people privately about me behind my back
As said before, if this energy can be directed towards something more positive, like rebuilding, there would be a silver lining.
Maybe half of what is written right now is done for another reason(maybe I'm paranoid, maybe not)

Deadgiveaway owes me the money I've been putting into BitsPoker after the acquisition. Forgot to mention that, not that I hope to see it again.

It is really a shame that this website has been managed so poorly.  One thing should be made clear though - Players deposited BTC on your site.  Where are these funds?  How in the world do you take someone's BTC that isn't yours and use it for something it was not intended for?  These players aren't investing in your site.  They pay you a rake, and they should sleep well at night knowing that their deposits are safe.  Under NO circumstances should player funds be used for anything except PLAYER WITHDRAWALS.

It really does not matter that you fell on financial hardship.  Somebody is knowingly stealing BTC from players here.  If you can't afford to operate your site, then you shut it down and refund your players.  It's really very cut and dry.  

You are a disgrace to BTC poker.  You hurt the reputation of the good guys and the overall faith in bitcoin transactions.

Wise up.

I do have moral guilt about it, because this site has all it needs to succeed but needed a better manager and proper funding. Sadly I didn't find the right guy for it.

So, a random guy scams people, and you're willing to cover for him? How nice of you.

Guys, timeout for a bit.
Deadgiveaway, nice of you to show up here. I haven't mentioned your alias(or name, or anything else) in here because I respected a part of our agreement: your wish to remain anonymous. As the wish for your involvement to not be public.

Speaking of terms of our agreement, let me name a few:

- Buying BitsPoker for the amount of 12 BTC(I think under $1500 at that day) and 50% of future profit. Changing the ownership of the domain wasn't discussed, but I wouldn't have had anything against it.
- Handling expenses: hosting, development and promotions.

Are you sure you respected our agreeement(talking about the second one)?

I sticked around from the start(haven't absented more than a day or two without announcing), helped with everything that I could and spent a lot of time developing for BitsPoker. But not too long after his funds 'ran out' and blamed the freerollers. I made deposits into BitsPoker (0.35 lately) and also paid for a number of things, like the sponsored GaB forum or hosting. This wasn't my attribution.

To be honest, I had a great time talking with him and considered him sort of a friend, his attitude changed a lot in the past couple of days though. But that's another story.

I never said I didn't have access to email. I did and helped responding to some, or helped him formulate better replies. But from day one he was to be in charge with this. [Someone from my country did contact [email protected] to ask me personally a question(because he saw my signature at bitcointalk and he didn't have an account here)].

How can I be more straightforward than this? I won't fuel his ambition to make my name dirty and put the blame on me(weak attempt dude).
I've been completely honest in my community and in the larger Bitcoin community and have zero interest in ruining my reputation.
Z3Moons, you saw my name, you saw my involvement, is this a typical scammer behaviour? In all fairness, not saying Deadgiveaway is a scammer, just un unexperienced guy who had the money at the time but didn't know how to do manage the site. My regret is that I should've looked for somebody less anonymous and more experienced, it appears that my gut isn't always right(lesson: learned).

I really don't like drama and conflict, but I want to clear my name.
Also, this:
You were never hired. You bought the site with 12 BTC(around $1.5k at the time) and giving me 50% of future profits(which were 0). Then invested the rest in the site(of the top of my head under $500). Those funds weren't enough to cover the promotions you added and I asked you a number of times if there is enough to sustain the freerolls.

I don't want to blame you or anything, I think you were just in over your head(yeah, I didn't turn 180 degreese like you and started talking crap).

Now, if we could harness all the energy spent in this thread and do something good with it, we would all be happier. Don't you think?
I'd be willing to do some refunds out of my own pocket, to cover his mistakes.

I started the auction since something needed to be done and I'm done with this site. I'll take it down if Cyrus wants me to, since it's his site and I didn't ask him prior to making the thread, but then what about the players? Hmm?

I was polite when I asked a question before this post of yours yet you did not respond.

Who is auctioning BitsPoker?

Will funds be added to BitsPoker "soon" as stated 3 days ago on GrindABit so that I can withdraw?

Yea, like I said, he's uncommitted to the success of BitsPoker, or just doesn't have what it takes to build a trustworthy name (because he's not trustworthy.) At least now the players can understand the heart of the issue. Imagine me trying to deal with this guy. Matter of fact, a day or so after the deal was made, he went missing for an entire week and comes back like it's not a big deal. The only reason I didn't try to get out of this sooner, was just that constant belief that it is not what it seems. Knock knock, who's there? Cyrus isn't, unless he feels like it, and then he's brought a sorry excuse with him. Gee, I wonder why BitsPoker went to the dumps. but thanks for adding the Christmas hat to the site logo, you're the man. Get real. btw, Christmas is over, you can take it off now.

I am turning my back against this mess, Cyrus, because I'm not greedy in nature as yourself. I'm truth driven and community driven, unlike you. I feel I've been misled and I would like my BTC back. I can't defend a crook and serve a community at the same time, no one can. I apologize to the players for going along with this joke to any degree, that is one mistake I can come out and admit to have made. Iron and clay don't mix.

 So this person who can't be bothered to resolve a monetary issue as small as this with a site that has his name all over it is going to start a "non-profit" to promote Bitcoin in Romania. Wonder how fast that money will disappear.

The sad truth is he has been playing these kind of games from the beginning. He can't stick to one story, and doesn't know what it takes to run a legitimate business.

Yea. Sept. 20th, 2013 was when I made the deal and I can show you a screenshot of him sending an email written in his language on November 21st, 2013, signed by him. He of course never mentioned this email to me. So that proves he used that email account and saw the emails.

Sure I can try to clear up anything. I'm not sure exactly what you want cleared up. I have read the PM's and z3Moons made astute observations that are logical questions to pose and I myself would like a straight answer. Who owns the site really? Who is ultimately responsible? Cyrus claims he wasn't in charge of this or that, yet his role was everywhere and no where. There was a point where we both answered an email, so a user got a double response, yet Cyrus claims he wasn't in charge of emails. I have to admit I went with my gut feeling when deciding to work with Cyrus. I thought that Cyrus really wanted to create a successful poker site and that we could make it happen. Obviously I made a bad call and really should have questioned the deal more, after seeing how quick he is to skew things another way to save his face.

this looks like serious stuff ...

 Deadgiveaway did you read the posted PM conversation in this thread? Can you verify the information provided or maybe expand on this? It seems there are some things that don't add up there, and I think maybe your input would help us understand a little better.
 The only people who know the full story are the people who own/run the site. We as players are just poking around for answers, and speculating as to where the truth lies.

I'm not saying I'm perfect nor am I saying Cyrus is the worst villain on earth. Bottom line: The site was not being managed right and Cyrus doesn't want to face the fact, instead wants to drop the blame on me so he can reclaim it and keep his reputation clean. All self interest, and to be honest I'm disappointed to be left completely empty handed when I've come into this with good intentions and know that if we went the extra mile, we could have had a perfectly decent alternative bitcoin poker site going. What really happened was I joined what was already degenerating into a mess and spent most of the time in damage control, seeking players trust, trying to give them a reason to try us instead. I can see from the eyes of a player why they abandoned the site. We either have the resources to face the music or we do not. Sitting around and hoping wasn't going to work and I always knew that.

No, I am not out to deflect blame on anyone as I have been 100% fixated on the situation with the site. I wanted it to be a success. That requires realistic owners and proper management. I realized we don't have what it takes and instead of having an associate who sees the same way, I have someone who ignores reality and puts the problems on me. Very lame and irresponsible, and I feel for the players which is why I am here posting.