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Quote from: coco23 on April 18, 2022, 10:33:31 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on April 17, 2022, 09:22:51 AM

At the moment, the quotes for which team will become the winner of the group are as follows:

Portugal - 1.65

Uruguay - 3.00

Ghana - 11.90

Republic of Korea - 11.90

As you can see, Ghana is a clear outsider, and Portugal is an indisputable favorite, so, presumably, in a personal meeting, Portugal will easily beat Ghana. And by the way, judging by the manner of the game, it looks like the truth - the Portuguese team will be extremely inconvenient for Ghana.

I am a bit surprised that Korea is considered on the same level with Ghana. Korea's FIFA rank is 39, Ghana's is 60. I would actually have thought Ghana is stronger though. But I suppose the FIFA ranks are a bit skewed between different continents?
Both, Ghana and Korea will have a difficult time in that group. They mustn't lose to the stronger teams if they want to stand a chance for qualification

I think the bookmakers use much more accurate estimates than FIFA since they are responsible for their estimates with money. FIFA ranks teams on formal grounds, while bookmakers use more complex models that include many parameters and not just game results. I trust bookmakers' estimates more than FIFA's, although of course the reality may turn out to be quite different. For me, for example, it was surprising to see such a clear leadership of Portugal.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 15, 2022, 01:56:28 AM

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Quote from: Gosgosking on April 11, 2022, 03:49:25 AM

That's bad, they should bring people who can do the job better, if politics is involved in football it won't take the team to anywhere. I wonder why they should retain him when it is clear with èvidence that he is not good for the work.

It is not that they do not know the right thing to do. They want to keep recircling the old hands there. If you know the level of corruption that goes on at Nigerian football house you will be shocked. Everybody knows that these people do not have the interest of football at heart. Austin Egueavon gets paid regularly and he is not owed any salaries so it is not much of a concern to him what happens with our football. For football to grow in this country a foreign coach will be better because we respect foreign coaches more than local coaches.

Nigeria has to double up it efforts in the race of football nowadays, the ways they have been playing need to change drastically, am quite assured there might be politics involved but as you've said there's a need to involve a foreign coach who is not black at all, they need to train super eagles without being bias and change their match orientation along with their playing strategies, a new wine cant taste good when in an old wine skin.

Nigeria has good players and it is a good team . The problem of Nigeria football has always been be politics, I guess why Nigeria didn't qualify is because of the coach they have , he lack strategies as a coach that was the problem Nigeria had then ,I just hope the new coach will transform the team.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on April 18, 2022, 11:44:39 AM

Quote from: Newlifebtc on April 18, 2022, 09:08:41 AM

If you want to know the way Nigeria are backwards most Africa greats like Samuel Eto and Didier Drogba are representing their football federation.
Eto is president of Cameroon football.
Drogba is Governor of Ivory coast football.
But the likes of Okocha is busy dancing for as an ambassador in BETKING lol

Nigeria is a very unique and a peculiar country as compared to maybe Cameroon or Ivory Coast, leadership role in this country is rugged. You have to be a politician or strongly affiliated with one or else you won't get the set and if you eventually do you'd be frustrated out. Okocha and many other Ex Nigeria footballers know the games going on in the NFF and from the look of things most of them are distancing themselves from them. They will rather focus on their personal businesses than getting involved in an organization where you'll be frustrated.

Fvcked nation are they supposed to be contesting fir thus positions , hmmmm
Greed is Al they are after, I wish them.bad coz they have cause harm to the youths. The young should grow but are being pressured down

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Quote from: Newlifebtc on April 18, 2022, 09:08:41 AM

If you want to know the way Nigeria are backwards most Africa greats like Samuel Eto and Didier Drogba are representing their football federation.
Eto is president of Cameroon football.
Drogba is Governor of Ivory coast football.
But the likes of Okocha is busy dancing for as an ambassador in BETKING lol

Nigeria is a very unique and a peculiar country as compared to maybe Cameroon or Ivory Coast, leadership role in this country is rugged. You have to be a politician or strongly affiliated with one or else you won't get the set and if you eventually do you'd be frustrated out. Okocha and many other Ex Nigeria footballers know the games going on in the NFF and from the look of things most of them are distancing themselves from them. They will rather focus on their personal businesses than getting involved in an organization where you'll be frustrated.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 17, 2022, 09:22:51 AM

At the moment, the quotes for which team will become the winner of the group are as follows:

Portugal - 1.65

Uruguay - 3.00

Ghana - 11.90

Republic of Korea - 11.90

As you can see, Ghana is a clear outsider, and Portugal is an indisputable favorite, so, presumably, in a personal meeting, Portugal will easily beat Ghana. And by the way, judging by the manner of the game, it looks like the truth - the Portuguese team will be extremely inconvenient for Ghana.

I am a bit surprised that Korea is considered on the same level with Ghana. Korea's FIFA rank is 39, Ghana's is 60. I would actually have thought Ghana is stronger though. But I suppose the FIFA ranks are a bit skewed between different continents?
Both, Ghana and Korea will have a difficult time in that group. They mustn't lose to the stronger teams if they want to stand a chance for qualification

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If you want to know the way Nigeria are backwards most Africa greats like Samuel Eto and Didier Drogba are representing their football federation.
Eto is president of Cameroon football.
Drogba is Governor of Ivory coast football.
But the likes of Okocha is busy dancing for as an ambassador in BETKING lol

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Quote from: Maestro75 on April 17, 2022, 08:11:21 AM

Quote from: Dunamisx on April 15, 2022, 01:56:28 AM

Quote from: Maestro75 on April 12, 2022, 12:42:06 PM

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but as you've said there's a need to involve a foreign coach who is not black at all, they need to train super eagles without being bias and change their match orientation along with their playing strategies, a new wine cant taste good when in an old wine skin.

Not just any type of foreign coach for the sake of getting one. Nigeria needs a reputable top coach that can command respect from those our arrogant players. Most of the players are full of arrogance once they come back home to play for country even when they do not get regular playing time in the clubs abroad. Did any of you hear about the report of the exchange Kelechi Iheanacho had with coach Austin Egueavon and how he told the coach that he had more money than him? It was an insult and Iheanacho knows it. He can not try that nonsense with his club coach.

The NFF needed to understand that football is not a game of stinginess or partial role and efforts is neither required when panting for an outstanding result, we have more qualified foreign coaches that need to resurrect the pattern of our playing here, they have the experience and the result is there glaring and obvious to the eye, why can't we go extra mile in search for excellence and perfection, when will that year reverse itself when Nigeria will take the world cup? We need to wake up.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 14, 2022, 10:13:00 PM

Taking into consideration that Ghana is not an easy team that could complicate the classification for Portugal, yes, you are absolutely right, at this moment it is difficult to determine how it will be to play against Portugal, there are still many days before the World Cup begins, sometimes we cannot take into account that the level that Portugal or Ghana have right now will be with the same performance that they will have in November, this is something that is difficult to determine, we do not know if Portugal or Ghana will play well or badly, for now what matters is uqe Portugal is clear that whether Ghana has a local coach or not, they will be a very hard team to beat.

At the moment, the quotes for which team will become the winner of the group are as follows:

Portugal - 1.65

Uruguay - 3.00

Ghana - 11.90

Republic of Korea - 11.90

As you can see, Ghana is a clear outsider, and Portugal is an indisputable favorite, so, presumably, in a personal meeting, Portugal will easily beat Ghana. And by the way, judging by the manner of the game, it looks like the truth - the Portuguese team will be extremely inconvenient for Ghana.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 15, 2022, 01:56:28 AM

Quote from: Maestro75 on April 12, 2022, 12:42:06 PM

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but as you've said there's a need to involve a foreign coach who is not black at all, they need to train super eagles without being bias and change their match orientation along with their playing strategies, a new wine cant taste good when in an old wine skin.

Not just any type of foreign coach for the sake of getting one. Nigeria needs a reputable top coach that can command respect from those our arrogant players. Most of the players are full of arrogance once they come back home to play for country even when they do not get regular playing time in the clubs abroad. Did any of you hear about the report of the exchange Kelechi Iheanacho had with coach Austin Egueavon and how he told the coach that he had more money than him? It was an insult and Iheanacho knows it. He can not try that nonsense with his club coach.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on April 12, 2022, 12:42:06 PM

Quote from: Gosgosking on April 11, 2022, 03:49:25 AM

That's bad, they should bring people who can do the job better, if politics is involved in football it won't take the team to anywhere. I wonder why they should retain him when it is clear with èvidence that he is not good for the work.

It is not that they do not know the right thing to do. They want to keep recircling the old hands there. If you know the level of corruption that goes on at Nigerian football house you will be shocked. Everybody knows that these people do not have the interest of football at heart. Austin Egueavon gets paid regularly and he is not owed any salaries so it is not much of a concern to him what happens with our football. For football to grow in this country a foreign coach will be better because we respect foreign coaches more than local coaches.

Nigeria has to double up it efforts in the race of football nowadays, the ways they have been playing need to change drastically, am quite assured there might be politics involved but as you've said there's a need to involve a foreign coach who is not black at all, they need to train super eagles without being bias and change their match orientation along with their playing strategies, a new wine cant taste good when in an old wine skin.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on April 08, 2022, 10:15:15 AM

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Coaches like Austin Eguavoen make me want to hate local coaches, that guys doesn't know what he's doing. The last time Nigerian went out of the AFCON shamefully was when he was in charge same as not qualifying for the world cup finals. I strongly want local coaches as I believe they're our best bet in getting the best out of the players since they'll understand them better instead of foreign coaches but we should actually give opportunity to coaches with great tactic and not merely based on high ranking.
The draws for the world cup games are in and in my opinion senagal has the easiest draw. They can easily defeat other team member in group A expect Netherlands. Ghana has a hungry Ronaldo to face, that'll be a tough group. The official soundtrack for the World cup is out and an African was also represented on the playlist.

Well, he couldn't have said it better, I've seen before that some people don't really highlight the style of the African teams, the truth is I wanted to see Nigeria in the World Cup, since I was little I saw a World Cup where Nigeria shone a lot and the way they they made their football they fell in love.
Now the Ghanaian team I hope they continue to wear that team with the white shirt for the World Cup that makes them stand out and at the same time show that power they have. On the other hand, I think Senegal can beat the Netherlands.

The problem is in a lot of cases, people really don't want to trust the local coaches because obviously there are better options and people think that is the way to go and it obviously could be. but it is true that the where local coaches will understand a problem, The other coaches will not, and even if they do it will take longer.

I think Ghana is not going to win against Portugal. Portugal really seems to be hungry to achieve great things in the world cup. I am not saying that they will surely achieve whatever they want but they are going to try better.

Senegal beats the Netherlands is another one. You know, there was a time when the Netherlands team was one of the best but now those days are long gone.

The truth is being a local coach already has put these men in a disadvantageous situation especially in Africa, local coaches are never regarded and believed not to be even needed. I think the Ghanaian team need a foreign technical crew or better still, the present coaching team up their game. I think Ghana stand a chance to qualify and this is not the first time they have been in same Group stage with Portugal. The Ghanaian will give Portugal hard time. I don't think it is going to be easy game for Portugal.

Taking into consideration that Ghana is not an easy team that could complicate the classification for Portugal, yes, you are absolutely right, at this moment it is difficult to determine how it will be to play against Portugal, there are still many days before the World Cup begins, sometimes we cannot take into account that the level that Portugal or Ghana have right now will be with the same performance that they will have in November, this is something that is difficult to determine, we do not know if Portugal or Ghana will play well or badly, for now what matters is uqe Portugal is clear that whether Ghana has a local coach or not, they will be a very hard team to beat.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on April 11, 2022, 03:49:25 AM

That's bad, they should bring people who can do the job better, if politics is involved in football it won't take the team to anywhere. I wonder why they should retain him when it is clear with èvidence that he is not good for the work.

It is not that they do not know the right thing to do. They want to keep recircling the old hands there. If you know the level of corruption that goes on at Nigerian football house you will be shocked. Everybody knows that these people do not have the interest of football at heart. Austin Egueavon gets paid regularly and he is not owed any salaries so it is not much of a concern to him what happens with our football. For football to grow in this country a foreign coach will be better because we respect foreign coaches more than local coaches.

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Quote from: Ifemini on April 11, 2022, 05:16:36 PM

Quote from: Ebede on April 11, 2022, 03:42:10 PM

Ohh my Mate Masplanc, Mohammed Salah is the name Grin

But it is not a easy thing to carry the country in he's shoulders.
Cristiano Ronaldo did this for Portugal anyways.
Africans are not real good good.

I think it is very hard to blame Salah, when it comes to national teams; you have to adapt to the quality of players around you and i think Salah did well to that regards. The Egypt national team is quite defensive and rely on counter attacks (Salah plays an attacking setting in Liverpool). Also do not forget Mane has Kouyate, PSG midfield maestro and Koulibaly, proven qualities. And importantly, African football is not for the weak

It is normal to blame Salah, for a player of his quality, technicality and wealth of experience in the game so far, it is only expected he's been able to influence games for the national team. We have see the likes of Sadio Mane and Mahrez do that for Senegal and Algeria respectively. It is true only Salah can't carry the entire team game after game but at least he should try. He seems to be uninfluential in their game that's why he's being criticized.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 12, 2022, 02:45:59 AM

I believe that people had high expectations from Salah considering his top class performances for Liverpool, but when Egypt lost all the blame fell on his shoulders, and I feel that it’s wrong to only blame him for the loss. Furthermore I feel that Senegal will be a tricky opponent to face in the World Cup, and no team should underestimate them because they’re capable of winning matches, and causing upsets during their World Cup journey.

That's kind of the "standard" thing that happens amongst fans and the media, they always need a scapegoat. I think Egypt didn't do so badly in their two games against Senegal. Everybody knew it'll be a very tight competition after having seen the final of the Africa Cup.

Senegal doesn't have an impossible group with Qatar, Ecuador and the Netherlands, but it won't be easy for them to reach the group stage. They should avoid a loss against the Netherlands and have to go for the win against the two smaller teams.

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Quote from: Ifemini on April 11, 2022, 05:16:36 PM

Quote from: Ebede on April 11, 2022, 03:42:10 PM

Ohh my Mate Masplanc, Mohammed Salah is the name Grin

But it is not a easy thing to carry the country in he's shoulders.
Cristiano Ronaldo did this for Portugal anyways.
Africans are not real good good.

I think it is very hard to blame Salah, when it comes to national teams; you have to adapt to the quality of players around you and i think Salah did well to that regards. The Egypt national team is quite defensive and rely on counter attacks (Salah plays an attacking setting in Liverpool). Also do not forget Mane has Kouyate, PSG midfield maestro and Koulibaly, proven qualities. And importantly, African football is not for the weak

I believe that people had high expectations from Salah considering his top class performances for Liverpool, but when Egypt lost all the blame fell on his shoulders, and I feel that it’s wrong to only blame him for the loss. Furthermore I feel that Senegal will be a tricky opponent to face in the World Cup, and no team should underestimate them because they’re capable of winning matches, and causing upsets during their World Cup journey.

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Quote from: Ebede on April 11, 2022, 03:42:10 PM

Ohh my Mate Masplanc, Mohammed Salah is the name Grin

But it is not a easy thing to carry the country in he's shoulders.
Cristiano Ronaldo did this for Portugal anyways.
Africans are not real good good.

The thing is players also have their peak seasons and most of the aforementioned players by you were dropping in performance level, you cant imagine Mohammed Salah to strive hard to get a goal in matches this day and at the end he might ended not scoring a single one, those team will only make use of them when they were at peak and drop them to their country once they are done with them and that's what is going on right, players must sit down to know that after English clubs drops them, they are coming back home where they have failed to perform.

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Quote from: Ebede on April 11, 2022, 03:42:10 PM

Ohh my Mate Masplanc, Mohammed Salah is the name Grin

But it is not a easy thing to carry the country in he's shoulders.
Cristiano Ronaldo did this for Portugal anyways.
Africans are not real good good.

I think it is very hard to blame Salah, when it comes to national teams; you have to adapt to the quality of players around you and i think Salah did well to that regards. The Egypt national team is quite defensive and rely on counter attacks (Salah plays an attacking setting in Liverpool). Also do not forget Mane has Kouyate, PSG midfield maestro and Koulibaly, proven qualities. And importantly, African football is not for the weak

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Ohh my Mate Masplanc, Mohammed Salah is the name Grin

But it is not a easy thing to carry the country in he's shoulders.
Cristiano Ronaldo did this for Portugal anyways.
Africans are not real good good.

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Quote from: Mamun74 on April 02, 2022, 05:15:46 PM

Bad luck for Egypt and bad luck Mohammad Salah who didn’t qualify in Qatar Football World cup in 2023.Sadio Mane did well his job.But i Think It's very hard to qualify in round of 16 Africa countries. I think every group is death for Africa countries. Because evey group have to Europe and South America favourite team.If It's very hard but i think It's possible to qualify in next round in Africa Countries.Because they are improved more in next 2-3 years.

Who do Egypt have aside Mo Salah? With all due respect no one. He is the star player in the team, all the pressure is on him because the team is dependent on Mo Salah. if he is injured, the Egypt national team will not be able to scale through the world cup. The groups the African team found themselves are very tough, Ghana to be precise is going to be knocked out from the World Cup early imo

I don't blame Muhammad salah for not qualifying it is not easy for him, he is the only one carrying the team along , he gave the Egypt team the best he can. One man can't make a team what the team is supposed to be.

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Don't get Ghana team over praised.
They face Portugal, and Uruguay in the group stage
I don't expect too much from them as I know how it'll end for them.

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