Topic: Already delays in BFL shipment plans? - page 19. (Read 49567 times)

You said you "hoped" the chips would be arriving by now.  Any update on that?  One would think you'd have a tracking number or something...

Well heck, by that criteria BFL is fine, too... since we've always maintained that we would would target October but it would be as late as December (hence the January 1st refund policy, which has been there since day one.)

Thanks for the confirmation that BFL is on target timeframe wise as well, I appreciate it! 

Yeah I agree. His very first estimate was November/December, meaning to meet his original stated shipping date he still has over a month to ship. How'd BFL do? October?

Not happy about it, but I don't really consider this a delay...yet. Tom did say long ago that he'd like to begin shipping the week after Thanksgiving. He also said almost immediately after that that he'd misread a calender and hadn't realized Thanksgiving was early this year, which it was. Additionally he's repeatedly said Nov/Dec and 1st week of December. It sounds like he will not make the schedule he was hoping for, but I'm not ready to flame up or start talking refund until we hear something more concrete. If he's only going to be pushing things back a week or two and giving me a 33% speed boost, I'll not only not flame the guy, I'll buy the first round. If he still beats...that other company AND gives me 1/3 more hashes at the same price, I'll buy him a steak dinner to go with that first round. 

He is quite plainly not on track if he himself announced a delay.

Seems to be par for the ASIC course. Maybe Avalon delays will be next.

The obviously knew the shipping date was bad before the announcement and they waited until the
very last moment to say so. How they will or will not be flamed depends on further info that needs
to come out in 48 hours. Otherwise...  pfft. No different then BFL.

And by no different I mean if they say Dec/Jan. Then we get into Dec and they say end of Jan.
Then...

That is what I mean by no different then BFL and the upcoming info will determine if they are on the same path.

https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=114.0


More info most likely tomorrow after Tom meets with the engineers and layout team.

I cannot even find a link saying this is the case.
Didn't he lock his own thread and created a new forum?

Need more details please.

Just going to throw this out there:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1157524

This was from when Tom originally announced it, almost 3 months ago. I'd say he is still on track as promised.

Anddddd....bASIC announces delays. Can we get 40,000 threads accusing them of lying to their customers now?

Oh, and I noticed some threads deleted on BCT in the last few days. No mention of how these forums are in China?

Got it, only BFL does wrong. Don't forget to use the word "asshamster" as you continually fixate on one company.

You might get the voltage but the current might be in the miliamps

maybe 1 watt/GH at a certain GH/s point.

i dunno, it doesn't make sense.

Well you might be able to run a jally from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9tnqPiHoE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzwz94oOZfg

Though for a Single SC you would need a line vamp. (I forget what the official name for those devices are called.)

I imagine peeps with zero electricity costs would be very interested in your discounted, outdated, and no longer competitive ASIC v1.0.

Just make sure you get them to say "specifically" what they will offer you in writing and you are good to go. (Always cover your bases as the saying goes.)

An FPGA can be re-purposed so it has value. A first Gen ASIC is kinda of a paperweight after its life cycle. (Unless the Smithsonian wants a batch of them for their museum? (theme, the first successful cryptocurrency?)

I traded my BFL FPGA Single in for $599 on a 60gh ASIC Single,then just paid the difference of $1299=$700 

BFL did say they would do trade in's on first gen ASIC's to second gen ASIC's,whether it's the same deal as the FPGA's wasn't laid out,but I'm assuming it is.

Explain?

Historically fpga to asics upgrades assume same.
price points are  price points.

Well, sorta true. But one would hope it would take you up to your investment capital being recovered and then some profit before Gen 2.

Edit: In pragmatic sense, the purpose of the profit should be to generate enough profit to cover the A) cost of Gen 1 B) cover the cost of a Gen 2 device and then C) a significant extra to gain some material benefit of some kind. Otherwise your profits just end up going into your vendors pocket in a sort of flowing pyramid scheme. You always have to walk away with some kind of real material benefit besides being able to buy each successive generation.

But lets say Gen 2 comes along and they do indeed offer an exchange program. What should be the price of Gen 2?

2000 USD or more? (Keep in mind customers of BFL hardware do not want any price cuts while they attempt to recover the cost of their units.)

What should happen to the price of Gen 1 at the intro of Gen 2?
What is the trade in value for a [used] Gen 1 module? (How much of the original price is respected? 400$ for a Single SC? 1299$? 800$? What about for a Jally? 25$? 75$? 150?

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And finally, what should BFL sell a 60Gh/s system for 10 months down the road when it produces (or is worth) alot less in terms of income?

Right now, a 60Gh/s system is supposed to make a ton of BTC/cash. Well according to some (it's possible). Though, what would BFL sell it at when difficulty is high and a 60Gh/s is no longer bringing in the volume of BTC/Cash?

Doesn't the price of a product normally go down in such scenarios?

If so, then what is the trade-in value vs the cost of a Gen 2 system?
10%?
40%?
100%?

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Should a Gen 2 system cost alot more than a Gen 1?
Should there be a price freeze on a Gen 1 unit until people can sell them off (or just recover their costs)?
There are tons of questions I can think up. None of them are too convenient for both the buyer or the vendor.

Perhaps it is time to headlock a vendor employee  of your choice and get them to give you a written agreement that the device will be price protected at trade in. Otherwise you might get pennies on the dollar for that trade-in.

If Nothing is written, then there is no legal binding agreement. (Make sure an employee is authorized to make such a deal of behalf of their Vendor. So that there is a Vendor Level Agreement and not just an Emloyee agreement whom can be fired at any point.)

If the employee backs out or becomes evasive, then you know what you are actually getting promised in that trade-in.

Anyone else getting a refund? I'm getting mine next week if they don't match or beat Tom's offerings.