Alternative Electricity for Mining - page 8.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 03:30:27 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 03:21:35 PM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 03:03:23 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 08:42:03 AM

In your latest example (I'm going to refrain from making fun of your mental illness), it won't work because a 48W water pump can only pump water with up to 48W of energy. That 48W of energy can not turn a 2000W generator. You COULD potentially hook up about 100 of these water pumps, and if they are VERY efficient could POTENTIALLY turn a 2000W generator, but you're spending 5000W to do it.

You must be dumb then because 60-100 psi of water has more energy then wind. A creek or river can turn the PGM. You all aparently dont understand the PGM's

There are hundreds of people use the PGM and a creek or river for off-grid power

PSI means nothing without flow rate.

A 48W pump ain’t moving enough water to generate that kind of PSI or flow rate.

48W is about equivalent to the kind of power generated by 2 normal PC watercooling pumps. Laing D5s

a 3 mph current will turn the PGM so 60 psi or a garden hose will turn it maybe you need to look more into the windings of the PGM and its specs some more before you keep making yourself look like a fool. The pgm will produce 24vdc at 266 rpm low amp but the higher rpm the output is higher amperage.

i'm basing it on your given diagram. which says nothing about using a creek or household water lines as you are implying now. your diagram shows a 12v, 4 amp pump. which is 48 watts. which is not enough to do what you are claiming.

everyone here sees who the moron is lol. and it's the OP of this thread.

NASA is calling you they need a new diaper engineered. You apparently cant process different examples in your brain.

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Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 03:11:46 PM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 11:08:16 AM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 04:05:38 AM

Here is a smaller Hydro setup now you tell me why this wont work. It is enough to run 1 or 2 miners and fine unless there was component failure or you forgot to fill it with water. And if you say it wont work your full of it I install these at lakehomes for dock lighting and charging boat batteries....different design of course but all the same setup instead of a tank I use the lake water where it never runs out. Specs can vary depending on the inverters specifications

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkYL4cw670I9T2is6csLTI147IwnxjFh/view?usp=sharing

So much wrong with this lol. I’m sure it might run a couple LEDs and a battery trickle charger. But it ain’t gonna run thousands of watts of load.

Second error you say “30 amp draw will last 1 day, providing 2000w of power”

Do you even math? 30 amps at 12V is 360W. And you aren’t charging back up at 30a so all you’re doing is draining the battery

Your so fucking stupid it was an example cant you look outside of your pea brain. Your stuck on stupid. I know how much power my motor uses per hour based on the motors rating 120v@5 amps thats how much power I am using. The motor can only pull that or slightly over as long as it is not overloaded to a point where you burn it out or trip a breaker.

30a per hour is 800 ah in 1 day

You're*

and 30a/hr, for 24hrs = 720ah

math sure is hard.

you know nothing about it's use unless you actually measure it with an ammeter or a watt meter and it's obvious that you have done neither. you can't just read the max values on the label lololol.

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Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 03:21:35 PM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 03:03:23 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 08:42:03 AM

In your latest example (I'm going to refrain from making fun of your mental illness), it won't work because a 48W water pump can only pump water with up to 48W of energy. That 48W of energy can not turn a 2000W generator. You COULD potentially hook up about 100 of these water pumps, and if they are VERY efficient could POTENTIALLY turn a 2000W generator, but you're spending 5000W to do it.

You must be dumb then because 60-100 psi of water has more energy then wind. A creek or river can turn the PGM. You all aparently dont understand the PGM's

There are hundreds of people use the PGM and a creek or river for off-grid power

PSI means nothing without flow rate.

A 48W pump ain’t moving enough water to generate that kind of PSI or flow rate.

48W is about equivalent to the kind of power generated by 2 normal PC watercooling pumps. Laing D5s

a 3 mph current will turn the PGM so 60 psi or a garden hose will turn it maybe you need to look more into the windings of the PGM and its specs some more before you keep making yourself look like a fool. The pgm will produce 24vdc at 266 rpm low amp but the higher rpm the output is higher amperage.

i'm basing it on your given diagram. which says nothing about using a creek or household water lines as you are implying now. your diagram shows a 12v, 4 amp pump. which is 48 watts. which is not enough to do what you are claiming.

everyone here sees who the moron is lol. and it's the OP of this thread.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 03:03:23 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 08:42:03 AM

In your latest example (I'm going to refrain from making fun of your mental illness), it won't work because a 48W water pump can only pump water with up to 48W of energy. That 48W of energy can not turn a 2000W generator. You COULD potentially hook up about 100 of these water pumps, and if they are VERY efficient could POTENTIALLY turn a 2000W generator, but you're spending 5000W to do it.

You must be dumb then because 60-100 psi of water has more energy then wind. A creek or river can turn the PGM. You all aparently dont understand the PGM's

There are hundreds of people use the PGM and a creek or river for off-grid power

PSI means nothing without flow rate.

A 48W pump ain’t moving enough water to generate that kind of PSI or flow rate.

48W is about equivalent to the kind of power generated by 2 normal PC watercooling pumps. Laing D5s

a 3 mph current will turn the PGM so 60 psi or a garden hose will turn it maybe you need to look more into the windings of the PGM and its specs some more before you keep making yourself look like a fool. The pgm will produce 24vdc at 266 rpm low amp but the higher rpm the output is higher amperage.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 11:08:16 AM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 04:05:38 AM

Here is a smaller Hydro setup now you tell me why this wont work. It is enough to run 1 or 2 miners and fine unless there was component failure or you forgot to fill it with water. And if you say it wont work your full of it I install these at lakehomes for dock lighting and charging boat batteries....different design of course but all the same setup instead of a tank I use the lake water where it never runs out. Specs can vary depending on the inverters specifications

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkYL4cw670I9T2is6csLTI147IwnxjFh/view?usp=sharing

So much wrong with this lol. I’m sure it might run a couple LEDs and a battery trickle charger. But it ain’t gonna run thousands of watts of load.

Second error you say “30 amp draw will last 1 day, providing 2000w of power”

Do you even math? 30 amps at 12V is 360W. And you aren’t charging back up at 30a so all you’re doing is draining the battery

Your so fucking stupid it was an example cant you look outside of your pea brain. Your stuck on stupid. I know how much power my motor uses per hour based on the motors rating 120v@5 amps thats how much power I am using. The motor can only pull that or slightly over as long as it is not overloaded to a point where you burn it out or trip a breaker.

30a per hour is 800 ah in 1 day

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Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 08:42:03 AM

In your latest example (I'm going to refrain from making fun of your mental illness), it won't work because a 48W water pump can only pump water with up to 48W of energy. That 48W of energy can not turn a 2000W generator. You COULD potentially hook up about 100 of these water pumps, and if they are VERY efficient could POTENTIALLY turn a 2000W generator, but you're spending 5000W to do it.

You must be dumb then because 60-100 psi of water has more energy then wind. A creek or river can turn the PGM. You all aparently dont understand the PGM's

There are hundreds of people use the PGM and a creek or river for off-grid power

PSI means nothing without flow rate.

A 48W pump ain’t moving enough water to generate that kind of PSI or flow rate.

48W is about equivalent to the kind of power generated by 2 normal PC watercooling pumps. Laing D5s

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Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 08:42:03 AM

In your latest example (I'm going to refrain from making fun of your mental illness), it won't work because a 48W water pump can only pump water with up to 48W of energy. That 48W of energy can not turn a 2000W generator. You COULD potentially hook up about 100 of these water pumps, and if they are VERY efficient could POTENTIALLY turn a 2000W generator, but you're spending 5000W to do it.

You must be dumb then because 60-100 psi of water has more energy then wind. A creek or river can turn the PGM. You all aparently dont understand the PGM's

There are hundreds of people use the PGM and a creek or river for off-grid power

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 01:44:20 AM

He has no clue how much he’s pulling from the wall or what they miner is using. No watt meters. And he’s only been running it for 6 days.

He’s in for a surprise when the first month’s electric bill is due and it’s not any cheaper lol.

I know how many amps my motor pulls not to hard to know how much im using

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Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 04:05:38 AM

Here is a smaller Hydro setup now you tell me why this wont work. It is enough to run 1 or 2 miners and fine unless there was component failure or you forgot to fill it with water. And if you say it wont work your full of it I install these at lakehomes for dock lighting and charging boat batteries....different design of course but all the same setup instead of a tank I use the lake water where it never runs out. Specs can vary depending on the inverters specifications

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkYL4cw670I9T2is6csLTI147IwnxjFh/view?usp=sharing

So much wrong with this lol. I’m sure it might run a couple LEDs and a battery trickle charger. But it ain’t gonna run thousands of watts of load.

Second error you say “30 amp draw will last 1 day, providing 2000w of power”

Do you even math? 30 amps at 12V is 360W. And you aren’t charging back up at 30a so all you’re doing is draining the battery

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notice a generator set when increasing the load?.. you'll easily notice it if you have a smaller genset since you can easily go near its max load.

the engine makes sound, the sound of having to work harder, because the dynamo is getting harder to turn as the electrical load increases...by the way the engine consumes more fuel as this happen..

this part is where chipless lost the "chip" in the brain that process "where is that energy coming from?"

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In your latest example (I'm going to refrain from making fun of your mental illness), it won't work because a 48W water pump can only pump water with up to 48W of energy. That 48W of energy can not turn a 2000W generator. You COULD potentially hook up about 100 of these water pumps, and if they are VERY efficient could POTENTIALLY turn a 2000W generator, but you're spending 5000W to do it.

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Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 12:32:10 AM

For those of you just joining, this moron thinks you can do this:

Hook a car battery up to an inverter, converting the 12V DC to 115V AC. Hook the inverter up to a car battery charger, which converts 115V AC to 12V DC. Then hook the car battery charger up to the car battery to close the circuit. In this process you've somehow created energy.

Since, according to the author, the battery isn't actually being charged or drained, what he's really saying is hook an inverter up to a car battery charger and hook the car battery charger back up to the inverter, and not only do they power eachother in perpetuity but they also put out extra power to power a miner! Wow!

Next thing he's going to sell us, is an electric fan blowing at a wind generator that powers the electric fan! GENIUS!! EVERYONE WE'VE SOLVED ZERO POINT ENERGY HOLY SHIT WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER A NEW DAWN OF CIVILIZATION!!!!! Star Trek here we come!!

If everyone could just join me and click that "Report To Moderator" feature to delete this low effort trolling and ban this chipless guy, we can clean this bullshit up.

"My 2200w gas generator direct drive uses less power then that it uses 98cc" omg my sides hurt, cc's is a unit of energy now lmfao

Another idiot joined I guess because that was a simple example what is being done and what was different then the setup posted.

Some of you act like I am a rookie in this world but Im not, you dont know what I have done or designed for cellphone companies and Homeland security as well as other government institutions so before your heads get too far up your ass I would slow down a bit and rethink some of your stupidity before you look more like fools. I am retired now and do this as a hobby not to please you assholes.

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He mines Equihash, that's all you need to know.

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 08, 2019, 11:32:15 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 08, 2019, 11:06:40 PM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 08, 2019, 10:01:19 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 08, 2019, 09:56:23 PM

Then use a fucking bigger motor if your worried about speed and torque a bigger motor just reduces your saving a little bit but in the end you are still saving a lot of money

right. you'll need a bigger motor. one that uses about 2200W (@90% efficiency)

So you are trying to say is that I need a 4 hp electric motor (120vac@18amp) to get enough rpm and torque to get 7875 rpm on the PMG?

Your fucking crazy that would be way overkill for a motor when you can get enough speed and torque with a lot less power. I can run a dam car alternator on a 3hp motor and that has so much magnetic drag you couldnt hardly turn it by hand a PMG has very little drag.

Even if you think its true who cares if it cost you 2200w to put out 10kw + your still saving money

My 2200w gas generator direct drive uses less power then that it uses 98cc and again id like to see you turn it by hand

Again I must be doing something right because I am running my machines very well this is just 1 Z9 fullsize

Elapsed KSol/S(RT) KSol/S(avg) FoundBlocks LocalWork Utility WU BestShare
6d21h4m59s 75.67 74.37 0 347,357 46.41 743.87 0

2200w = 2.9hp. not 4.

and no, im not saying it would take 2200W to get 10K out. im saying itll be 2200W to get that theoretical 2000W out. with 90% efficiency.

i'm guessing you don't have a kill-a-watt meter on your electric motor. and i'm guessing you havent received your first electric bill yet.

and your last bit of BS, 75kSol is a bit fast for a Z9.... they are 40kSol stock. so yeah, that's not one. probably not even yours lol.

LOL I knew you would say I was full of shit so here is your screenshots. I guess your box should be bigger so you have more room to think. You need to rethink your "it cant be done"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VOzImPeWbiad3zWJS9DgZRghIEJMyd-S/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YERVNx44MoEzpZEjWnZWZpG9NfESmzyl/view?usp=sharing

The sad thing assholes like you made me decide not to release the firmware for it so now other suffer because of your ignorance

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Quote from: Number6 on January 09, 2019, 04:13:29 AM

Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 12:32:10 AM

For those of you just joining, this moron thinks you can do this:

Since, according to the author, the battery isn't actually being charged or drained, what he's really saying is hook an inverter up to a car battery charger and hook the car battery charger back up to the inverter, and not only do they power eachother in perpetuity but they also put out extra power to power a miner! Wow!

...

Next thing he's going to sell us, is an electric fan blowing at a wind generator that powers the electric fan!

Nah, this isn't how it works! You will get too much power conversion loss using a fan to blow air to power the wind turbine. What you need to do instead is use the free power to feed a bunch of quartz spotlights and point them directly at solar panels which in-turn is used to feed the battery!!! Whoa-la, free power baby!!!

There are many ways to do it if you look at the hydro unit i just posted that is another that can be used for mining. You can add a flywheel to increase momentum and reduce the force needed on the input making this even easier

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Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 12:32:10 AM

For those of you just joining, this moron thinks you can do this:

Since, according to the author, the battery isn't actually being charged or drained, what he's really saying is hook an inverter up to a car battery charger and hook the car battery charger back up to the inverter, and not only do they power eachother in perpetuity but they also put out extra power to power a miner! Wow!

...

Next thing he's going to sell us, is an electric fan blowing at a wind generator that powers the electric fan!

Nah, this isn't how it works! You will get too much power conversion loss using a fan to blow air to power the wind turbine. What you need to do instead is use the free power to feed a bunch of quartz spotlights and point them directly at solar panels which in-turn is used to feed the battery!!! Whoa-la, free power baby!!!

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Here is a smaller Hydro setup now you tell me why this wont work. It is enough to run 1 or 2 miners and fine unless there was component failure or you forgot to fill it with water. And if you say it wont work your full of it I install these at lakehomes for dock lighting and charging boat batteries....different design of course but all the same setup instead of a tank I use the lake water where it never runs out. Specs can vary depending on the inverters specifications

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkYL4cw670I9T2is6csLTI147IwnxjFh/view?usp=sharing

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 08, 2019, 10:01:19 PM

Quote from: chipless on January 08, 2019, 09:56:23 PM

Then use a fucking bigger motor if your worried about speed and torque a bigger motor just reduces your saving a little bit but in the end you are still saving a lot of money

right. you'll need a bigger motor. one that uses about 2200W (@90% efficiency)

So you are trying to say is that I need a 4 hp electric motor (120vac@18amp) to get enough rpm and torque to get 7875 rpm on the PMG?

Your fucking crazy that would be way overkill for a motor when you can get enough speed and torque with a lot less power. I can run a dam car alternator on a 3hp motor and that has so much magnetic drag you couldnt hardly turn it by hand a PMG has very little drag.

Even if you think its true who cares if it cost you 2200w to put out 10kw + your still saving money

My 2200w gas generator direct drive uses less power then that it uses 98cc and again id like to see you turn it by hand

Again I must be doing something right because I am running my machines very well this is just 1 Z9 fullsize

Elapsed KSol/S(RT) KSol/S(avg) FoundBlocks LocalWork Utility WU BestShare
6d21h4m59s 75.67 74.37 0 347,357 46.41 743.87 0

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 01:50:49 AM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 01:48:35 AM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 01:45:31 AM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 01:44:00 AM

Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 01:37:15 AM

Reported again for saying you provided proof of violating conservation of energy. Everyone stop responding, just report. Ban this fucking piece of trash.

Your the pos in violation you are harassing another member just because you dont like my information and you are jealous or something because I can afford ASIC miners and you are stuck with gpu rigs

You’re*

And no one is jealous of the asic that you don’t even fully own. You and like 2-3 other guys all chipped in to buy one according to your posts lol.

LOL I own every one of them.... But remember I am full of shit thats not a Z9

I edited my post with your original post saying you split the cost of an asic. Nice try poor guy.

So what we have 5 development machines that isnt what I have at home here. I also have other models that we play with and share for development You can also see in the picture I have multiple minis what I have at home makes just under 1/2 coin a day

One is my home system and the other is a shared dev system you can clearly see 2 different setups

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sCOENKxZWpbGdPyil9X5cStQy4qnLGIe/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xircfQcvUf3goHWuwVDlxRjf1gMeTqRY/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15gs2naWjApP7fcHatWbfYo3Rc54nwxoI/view?usp=sharing

And this is what I retired from as a private contractor so no I am not a rookie in this world over the years I have had to improvise many situations where I have gained the knowledge to fix certain problems.

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Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 01:48:35 AM

Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on January 09, 2019, 01:45:31 AM

Quote from: chipless on January 09, 2019, 01:44:00 AM

Quote from: Apneal on January 09, 2019, 01:37:15 AM

Reported again for saying you provided proof of violating conservation of energy. Everyone stop responding, just report. Ban this fucking piece of trash.

Your the pos in violation you are harassing another member just because you dont like my information and you are jealous or something because I can afford ASIC miners and you are stuck with gpu rigs

You’re*

And no one is jealous of the asic that you don’t even fully own. You and like 2-3 other guys all chipped in to buy one according to your posts lol.

LOL I own every one of them.... But remember I am full of shit thats not a Z9

I edited my post with your original post saying you split the cost of an asic. Nice try poor guy.

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