It's very elementary: we turn the engine power for $ 35 a month, get at least 15 kW of energy and have an endless source of energy. We do "you could run the electric motor from the inverter also which would then create a loop and run 100% ." Why do we need mining? Enough to sell this energy. Invented perpetual motion machine. Humanity no longer has energy question!
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Why is this topic here? It is distantly related with mining.
This topic is suitable for those who do not quite understand the laws of physics, but they will not abandon the search for the Grail, the philosopher's stone and all such things.
I am not the first, but I could not resist this nonsense.
Topic: Alternative Electricity for Mining - page 2. (Read 28103 times)
No idea if this was mentioned before or not. But with regular cars there is obviously an alternator. This alternator always spins, depending on how much current is needed sometimes there is a load placed so the engine needs to adjust to apply power to be able to spin the alternator.
However when the car is fully warmed up, and the battery is fully charged, then there is a small load on the alternator but this electricity pretty much is wasted, since there is no clutch in the alternator like a AC compressor.
So you can probably power a GPU or 2 with no additional cost in gasoline. No idea if someone tested out this theory before. You can't run an entire rig as you will pull too much current and the alternator will need a higher load which will cause the engine to use more gas.
If your theory gets a continuation, then along with electric-cars we will see mining-cars on our roads. It would be cool - you go and earn!However when the car is fully warmed up, and the battery is fully charged, then there is a small load on the alternator but this electricity pretty much is wasted, since there is no clutch in the alternator like a AC compressor.
So you can probably power a GPU or 2 with no additional cost in gasoline. No idea if someone tested out this theory before. You can't run an entire rig as you will pull too much current and the alternator will need a higher load which will cause the engine to use more gas.
It wouldn't work with electric cars because the electricity would go to the GPU instead of putting the car on the road. There was a guy who had a Tesla and he put like 6 GPUs inside his Tesla and charged it for free at some charging station, I am not talking about this either.
What I mean is that the alternator always spins, so it always generates current. When the load is very small because the battery is fully charged and no electronics like Wipers are being used, then the power coming out of the alternator is just wasted away.
If the alternator was like a AC compressor and had a clutch where the alternator was completed disconnected from the drive belt then it obviously wouldn't work since you would be wasting gas to mine with the GPU.
I've also been looking for alternative energy sources. Wind and solar are good, but profitability depends on your geographical location and regular power costs...
These PMGs might be an good solution, but the magnets used to have a relative short life span, after which you needed to "re-magnetize" them.
Do you have a duration estimative for the magnets?
How long do you have your setup working?
Another matter, has anyone tried to make a generator fed by vegetable oil?
cheers
These PMGs might be an good solution, but the magnets used to have a relative short life span, after which you needed to "re-magnetize" them.
Do you have a duration estimative for the magnets?
How long do you have your setup working?
Another matter, has anyone tried to make a generator fed by vegetable oil?
cheers
in my opinion, it is not feasible. it will consume more power during the conversion process. i think the best saving strategies are solar and wind energy.
It was quite effective, it seems that the energy needed will not be sufficient and stable because the weather is not always supportive of the sun. you should think of a spare plan if you need it.
Sometimes its better to just pay electricity.
Most of times, electricity for $0.10 per kwh is rare in the world. Most places are around $0.20 per kwh or more. Solar or wind power grid tied is only worth if you pay more than $0.20 kwh, for example in Australia "varies by state and by time of day (peak/shoulder/off peak) from 15-54 cents AUD (11.54-41.54 cents USD) per kWh; service availability charge of $0.95 AUD a day " So we can assume here that from 12 to 42 cents mean Australians pay $0.30 kwh, in Australia is worth to have a grid tied solar or wind power whether you mine or not. I mean anybody that pays more than $0.25kwh should have a renewable grid tied source of power. Now if you pay less than $0.10kwh is just not worth to have it.
There is a video of a man who purchased the tesla solar service, 100k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABR4KgXoZPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqN0v_lPzFY
Grid tie solar is the only way, you still want to overspec say 50 percent so you have excess power to sell back to utility which offsets your nightly use
And how much can cost all that? Maybe installing solar panels and everything else you need to build a little solar power plant is way too expensive.
From where you can get alternative electricity depends from the place where you live. If its windy, you can install wind turbine, if its sunny solar panels. But in the end how much power you need that much money you need to invest in that. Sometimes its better to just pay electricity.
Grid tie solar is the only way, you still want to overspec say 50 percent so you have excess power to sell back to utility which offsets your nightly use
So you’re sticking a mini AC unit in front of a miner at +20% the electricity cost. Wow. Such amaze. I wonder why all the big mining farms don’t do this?
Absolutely this man is doing really amazing job and others miners should follow him to get more lowest cost of electricity for mining. LOL
Come on mate, the other one is disputing the OP's point. Better read the thread before jumping in.
It was an interesting discussion (except the trollings on both sides) and I agree with some that this set up best works for smaller miners (atleast for now).
in my opinion, it is not feasible. it will consume more power during the conversion process. i think the best saving strategies are solar and wind energy.
No idea if this was mentioned before or not. But with regular cars there is obviously an alternator. This alternator always spins, depending on how much current is needed sometimes there is a load placed so the engine needs to adjust to apply power to be able to spin the alternator.
However when the car is fully warmed up, and the battery is fully charged, then there is a small load on the alternator but this electricity pretty much is wasted, since there is no clutch in the alternator like a AC compressor.
So you can probably power a GPU or 2 with no additional cost in gasoline. No idea if someone tested out this theory before. You can't run an entire rig as you will pull too much current and the alternator will need a higher load which will cause the engine to use more gas.
If your theory gets a continuation, then along with electric-cars we will see mining-cars on our roads. It would be cool - you go and earn! However when the car is fully warmed up, and the battery is fully charged, then there is a small load on the alternator but this electricity pretty much is wasted, since there is no clutch in the alternator like a AC compressor.
So you can probably power a GPU or 2 with no additional cost in gasoline. No idea if someone tested out this theory before. You can't run an entire rig as you will pull too much current and the alternator will need a higher load which will cause the engine to use more gas.
No idea if this was mentioned before or not. But with regular cars there is obviously an alternator. This alternator always spins, depending on how much current is needed sometimes there is a load placed so the engine needs to adjust to apply power to be able to spin the alternator.
However when the car is fully warmed up, and the battery is fully charged, then there is a small load on the alternator but this electricity pretty much is wasted, since there is no clutch in the alternator like a AC compressor.
So you can probably power a GPU or 2 with no additional cost in gasoline. No idea if someone tested out this theory before. You can't run an entire rig as you will pull too much current and the alternator will need a higher load which will cause the engine to use more gas.
However when the car is fully warmed up, and the battery is fully charged, then there is a small load on the alternator but this electricity pretty much is wasted, since there is no clutch in the alternator like a AC compressor.
So you can probably power a GPU or 2 with no additional cost in gasoline. No idea if someone tested out this theory before. You can't run an entire rig as you will pull too much current and the alternator will need a higher load which will cause the engine to use more gas.
It doesn’t work. And won’t work. That’s why he hasn’t come back when he got his first electric bill and it wasn’t lower.
You can’t get more energy out than you’re putting in.
You can’t get more energy out than you’re putting in.
As it stands that is very true, however concerning everything, only the 24vdc 2000 watt Model PMG Generator $499.00 at 130% was a hoax in his statement. It doesn't add up. There is no point adding a 3kwh exhaust fan to blow air and get 3khw. Now if you have that 3kwh exhaust fan somewhere, adding the windmill fan turbine will give you some power back, in this case at least 1.5kwh but this is for another topic as this is getting something from wasted energy.
https://www.amazon.com/WINDMILL-Generator-controller-automatic-installation/dp/B01ASNP062?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_4
you'll always get back less power than your putting in. so you're just wasting energy and money. that 3000w fan is costing you money and you're collecting less than 3000w from the windmill on the other end.
cheaper to just plug the miner straight to the wall. you can't win against physics.
the only "free" energy is solar/wind. but they aren't constant, and will cost a considerable amount of money in the infrastructure upgrades to be able to capture/store. on a very long time span (>10 years) it'll even out and start to be worth it, but mining cycles don't last that long.
3000 dollars is quite on the high side. Anything within 500 - 1000 dollars will be fine with me. If I have an energy supply of over 60k Watts, I will most likely supply it else where for the cash considering the size of my mining implements.
It doesn’t work. And won’t work. That’s why he hasn’t come back when he got his first electric bill and it wasn’t lower.
You can’t get more energy out than you’re putting in.
You can’t get more energy out than you’re putting in.
As it stands that is very true, however concerning everything, only the 24vdc 2000 watt Model PMG Generator $499.00 at 130% was a hoax in his statement. It doesn't add up. There is no point adding a 3kwh exhaust fan to blow air and get 3khw. Now if you have that 3kwh exhaust fan somewhere, adding the windmill fan turbine will give you some power back, in this case at least 1.5kwh but this is for another topic as this is getting something from wasted energy.
https://www.amazon.com/WINDMILL-Generator-controller-automatic-installation/dp/B01ASNP062?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_4
The inverter is 15kw-60kw output which is enough to run many miners.
(This same amount of electric on a home line would cost you hundreds of dollars per month)
The generator head produces 2000 watts of 24vdc then uses the inverter to convert the 24vdc@2000 watts back into battery bank to help you get up to 15-60kw 115/220vac useable power. Batteries and charging may vary. The more power used more batteries and charging power needed. You can add more generator heads and batteries easily or a larger motor if needed.
This setup will produce a max of 60000 watts of AC electricity rated @55 amps of 110/220vac.
I use 24v batteries but the diagram is setup to use 12v to create your 24v battery bank.
24vdc to 110/220vac Grid/PowerInverter $1000
24V 60000W Peak 15000W LF Split Phase Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter DC 24V to AC 110V&220V 60Hz
https://www.amazon.com/60000W-15000W-Inverter-LCD-Display/dp/B07FTTZV72?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_7490851011
May substitute for any other 24vdc to 110/220vac Power/Grid Inverter select size by how much power you need
24vdc 2000 watt Model PMG Generator $499.00
http://mwands.com/store/freedom-ii-hydro-pmg-permanent-magnet-generator
Batteries $$$ Depends on battery
8x 12vdc 100ah or larger amp hours
or
6x 24vdc 100ah or larger amp hours
USE CAUTION WHEN CONNECTING THE BATTERIES
MAKE SURE BATTERIES HAVE GOOD VENTILATION
Looking back, I did not want to say anything at that time, it has been some time, somethings he got it right, some wrong. I really wanted the guy to show some proof but I guess nothing yet. In theory if the turbine is not at more than maximum capacity there is no way this will work.
First, negative aspect, there is no need for an inverter of 15kwh to 60kwh since that motor will never output anything close to 3kwh cause the manufactures fully states maximum it can generate is 2.8kwh if turbine is 130%, it must be a super ultra wind to do that.
Second, positive, 8 x 12v 100ah will only give 1200 each battery, 8 x 1200 = 9600*30/100 = 2.8kwh, if the turbine works 24/7 130% which is unlikely depending how he did.
Third, it does not matter what kind voltage you use, the outcome will be the same, I would use 48v on the batteries, 4 x 12v, slim cables.
All in all, this will only work if he can get the turbine to work 130% 24/7. Still waiting for proof.
It doesn’t work. And won’t work. That’s why he hasn’t come back when he got his first electric bill and it wasn’t lower.
You can’t get more energy out than you’re putting in.
So you’re sticking a mini AC unit in front of a miner at +20% the electricity cost. Wow. Such amaze. I wonder why all the big mining farms don’t do this?
Absolutely this man is doing really amazing job and others miners should follow him to get more lowest cost of electricity for mining. I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just stupid.
His plan doesn’t work. You can’t get more energy out than you’re putting in, which is exactly what he claimed.
The inverter is 15kw-60kw output which is enough to run many miners.
(This same amount of electric on a home line would cost you hundreds of dollars per month)
The generator head produces 2000 watts of 24vdc then uses the inverter to convert the 24vdc@2000 watts back into battery bank to help you get up to 15-60kw 115/220vac useable power. Batteries and charging may vary. The more power used more batteries and charging power needed. You can add more generator heads and batteries easily or a larger motor if needed.
This setup will produce a max of 60000 watts of AC electricity rated @55 amps of 110/220vac.
I use 24v batteries but the diagram is setup to use 12v to create your 24v battery bank.
24vdc to 110/220vac Grid/PowerInverter $1000
24V 60000W Peak 15000W LF Split Phase Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter DC 24V to AC 110V&220V 60Hz
https://www.amazon.com/60000W-15000W-Inverter-LCD-Display/dp/B07FTTZV72?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_7490851011
May substitute for any other 24vdc to 110/220vac Power/Grid Inverter select size by how much power you need
24vdc 2000 watt Model PMG Generator $499.00
http://mwands.com/store/freedom-ii-hydro-pmg-permanent-magnet-generator
Batteries $$$ Depends on battery
8x 12vdc 100ah or larger amp hours
or
6x 24vdc 100ah or larger amp hours
USE CAUTION WHEN CONNECTING THE BATTERIES
MAKE SURE BATTERIES HAVE GOOD VENTILATION
Looking back, I did not want to say anything at that time, it has been some time, somethings he got it right, some wrong. I really wanted the guy to show some proof but I guess nothing yet. In theory if the turbine is not at more than maximum capacity there is no way this will work.
First, negative aspect, there is no need for an inverter of 15kwh to 60kwh since that motor will never output anything close to 3kwh cause the manufactures fully states maximum it can generate is 2.8kwh if turbine is 130%, it must be a super ultra wind to do that.
Second, positive, 8 x 12v 100ah will only give 1200 each battery, 8 x 1200 = 9600*30/100 = 2.8kwh, if the turbine works 24/7 130% which is unlikely depending how he did.
Third, it does not matter what kind voltage you use, the outcome will be the same, I would use 48v on the batteries, 4 x 12v, slim cables.
All in all, this will only work if he can get the turbine to work 130% 24/7. Still waiting for proof.
So you’re sticking a mini AC unit in front of a miner at +20% the electricity cost. Wow. Such amaze. I wonder why all the big mining farms don’t do this?
Absolutely this man is doing really amazing job and others miners should follow him to get more lowest cost of electricity for mining. Alternative electricity for mining is very necessary, given the high cost of electricity in some regions of the planet. Solar panels, wind generators, hydro generators, etc. — everything can be adapted for efficient mining. However, the advantage will be on the side of large mining farms, as they can buy this equipment in bulk at discounted prices. Perhaps, small miners should purchase equipment together with other miners to save money, and then earn more on mining cryptocurrency.
Remember that, if wind , solar or any other renewable source, if grid tied, electricity provider will never pay or give you what you gave them and most places you pay taxes for that, I know is bullshit but that is how governments are ran by crooked people all around it. If off grid then your kwh in your home country must be greater than $0.50 to be worth, Germany perhaps? Anybody saying that using batteries for mining is worth is lying blatant. Just to clarify regarding batteries, you will need around 48 x 12v 200ah(60 kilos each battery) to run a mining computer of 1800 watts per 14 hours, the other 11 hours must be ran using the sun power generated electricity, the sun needs to be on its best case scenario, most good places around the world gives 6 hours per day full power on your solar panel. So is pointless because in truth to run 24/7 without problems you will need 17 hours of batteries and the sum of 48 is just for 11 hours, 3 hours more means 12 more batteries, using 4 interconnected on 48v.
https://www.amazon.com/d/Motorcycle-Batteries/12v-200ah-Solar-Power-Battery/B00RPOI7F4
Each battery will cost you $350. 48 +12 = 60 x $350 = $21.000 only in batteries for just 1 computer using 1800 watts per hour and that battery will not last much if you dont use it properly, the calculation is based on 30% usage of the full battery power.
Starting battery (Automotive battery etc) : 3-13 months
Marine Battery : 1-6 years
AGM Deep cycle: 4-7 years
Gel Cell Deep Cycle: 2-5 years
Flooded Lead Acid Deep Cycle Battery (L16-RE etc): 4-8 years
The calculation above is based on properly used batteries, most batteries cant be used more than 30% of its full capacity. Want to use 99% of its usage, get better cycle? Then get the tesla batteries made by lition.
https://www.tesla.com/powerwall
13.5 kwh but pay attention you can use only 5kwh continuous but if is only for one to 2 mining computers of each 1800watts should be okay. It's a huge investment which might never pay off even if bitcoin is pumped to 100k usd.
Also remember that solar panels have to be triple of what you want, cause 33% is to run the computers and 66% is to recharge the batteries for the night. For example if each panel is 300watts then 6 x 300 = 1800 watts that is 33%, then you need to buy more 12 panels. Total of 18 panels just to run a pc of 1800watts.
So all in all, off grid mining is a fail, on grid is a success but only if your government treats you fairly well which most dont.
Alternative electricity for mining is very necessary, given the high cost of electricity in some regions of the planet. Solar panels, wind generators, hydro generators, etc. — everything can be adapted for efficient mining. However, the advantage will be on the side of large mining farms, as they can buy this equipment in bulk at discounted prices. Perhaps, small miners should purchase equipment together with other miners to save money, and then earn more on mining cryptocurrency.
Unfortunately, at the moment, alternative sources of electricity still have an insignificant part of the total electricity in the world. This adversely affects the ecology, and the cost of electricity and, accordingly, the cost of mining. Jump to: