Topic: An obvious rigging of Sports. (Read 2439 times)

It's been over a month since the incident happen, do we have an update regarding this?

I haven't seen any latest update on this but only this article.
(https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1891734/Cebu/Sports/Chooks-to-Go-to-pull-support-from-VisMin-Cup-if-erring-parties-are-not-sanctioned)

What happens to the team and what happened to the players who participated in the alleged sports fixing?

Are they proven guilty or what?

There's no such update and I think they're trying to kill this issue so that things would just come back to normal. But upon searching more, this is on the wikipedia and some were expelled and banned.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pilipinas_VisMin_Super_Cup_scandal)

Thats correct, there are no updates after some players got suspended and fined. Most probably this issue has now been closed. They immediately solve this case so the league could also resume after the controversy.
Both team are now playing, and some players are banned and most likely has been revoked with professional athlete license.

Since there are no more updates about this issue, I'm now locking this thread.
Thanks everyone for dropping your opinions. Much appreciated.

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It's been over a month since the incident happen, do we have an update regarding this?

I haven't seen any latest update on this but only this article.
(https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1891734/Cebu/Sports/Chooks-to-Go-to-pull-support-from-VisMin-Cup-if-erring-parties-are-not-sanctioned)

Quote from: mirakal on May 24, 2021, 06:22:08 AM

What happens to the team and what happened to the players who participated in the alleged sports fixing?

Are they proven guilty or what?

There's no such update and I think they're trying to kill this issue so that things would just come back to normal. But upon searching more, this is on the wikipedia and some were expelled and banned.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pilipinas_VisMin_Super_Cup_scandal)

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Quote from: maydna on May 24, 2021, 05:51:40 AM

Quote from: mirakal on May 24, 2021, 06:22:08 AM

It's been over a month since the incident happen, do we have an update regarding this?

What happens to the team and what happened to the players who participated in the alleged sports fixing?

Are they proven guilty or what?

We don't know about the update. But if they are proven guilty because of doing something bad, they will get in jail and perhaps get punishment from the association. But if they have money to bribe the officers, they can free from anything, and they can still do another bad thing.

I would be okay if there's already the result of the investigation, at least we will know if they are really guilty, on them getting jail, I think it's gonna be a long process if the accused people would fight on the lawsuit against them.

We need to wait and see for the result because perhaps they are still trying to search for more proof and need more time to process everything. They will get jail somehow, especially if they are really guilty, but we need to be patient and let the officers work their best until that time. We hope that guilty people can get their punishment because of what they did.

Quote from: maydna on May 24, 2021, 05:51:40 AM

But the rigging of sports is not easy to eliminate, and it will happen more and more. I wonder how the honest officers will clean the mess and investigate every rigging case in the sports.

It's the players who are involved here, they are making an obvious rigging of sport in this specific game.

We hope that the player does not do the wrong thing so they can clean from the investigation.

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Now, I am wondering as I am checking this thread, would there be another example of a rigged game that was infamous and was well known in the sports community? Surely with the long history of sports there might be other examples of this coming from other sports and was recorded on video. Does anyone here know any other example that was recorded on video? Maybe there is a possibility that something similar got recorded and it got too obvious resulting to them being sacked.

When it comes to these kind of events then its likely you wont really be able to see these footages or videos on certain busted possible or confirmed rigged games unless if its leaked or
getting much attention online but for sure there are still some who hadnt really get that much emphasized or known or been shown to the public but of course those things do exist.
For smaller leagues then it might be a bit common to look upon but for bigger ones then its really rare to find one.

Big ones for sure have the best system not being caught they are well aware with the punishments that
they'll going to face and all those embarrassments that's awaits them in case something comes up and ruined the system.

Most of us have that speculations regarding to big leagues but until then that evidence are already available that's the only the
time that we can say it's really exist.

Unlike with small leagues which commonly the venue for this kind of obvious activities.

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Quote from: maydna on May 24, 2021, 05:51:40 AM

It's been over a month since the incident happen, do we have an update regarding this?

What happens to the team and what happened to the players who participated in the alleged sports fixing?

Are they proven guilty or what?

We don't know about the update. But if they are proven guilty because of doing something bad, they will get in jail and perhaps get punishment from the association. But if they have money to bribe the officers, they can free from anything, and they can still do another bad thing.

I would be okay if there's already the result of the investigation, at least we will know if they are really guilty, on them getting jail, I think it's gonna be a long process if the accused people would fight on the lawsuit against them.

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But the rigging of sports is not easy to eliminate, and it will happen more and more. I wonder how the honest officers will clean the mess and investigate every rigging case in the sports.

It's the players who are involved here, they are making an obvious rigging of sport in this specific game.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on May 23, 2021, 06:01:52 AM

It's been over a month since the incident happen, do we have an update regarding this?

What happens to the team and what happened to the players who participated in the alleged sports fixing?

Are they proven guilty or what?

We don't know about the update. But if they are proven guilty because of doing something bad, they will get in jail and perhaps get punishment from the association. But if they have money to bribe the officers, they can free from anything, and they can still do another bad thing.

But the rigging of sports is not easy to eliminate, and it will happen more and more. I wonder how the honest officers will clean the mess and investigate every rigging case in the sports.

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It's been over a month since the incident happen, do we have an update regarding this?

What happens to the team and what happened to the players who participated in the alleged sports fixing?

Are they proven guilty or what?

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Now, I am wondering as I am checking this thread, would there be another example of a rigged game that was infamous and was well known in the sports community? Surely with the long history of sports there might be other examples of this coming from other sports and was recorded on video. Does anyone here know any other example that was recorded on video? Maybe there is a possibility that something similar got recorded and it got too obvious resulting to them being sacked.

When it comes to these kind of events then its likely you wont really be able to see these footages or videos on certain busted possible or confirmed rigged games unless if its leaked or
getting much attention online but for sure there are still some who hadnt really get that much emphasized or known or been shown to the public but of course those things do exist.
For smaller leagues then it might be a bit common to look upon but for bigger ones then its really rare to find one.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 05:06:01 AM

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It will not go to the bank if a person who is into this illegal activity cannot explain the wealth. Launderers are financially capable, they have legit business to justify their cash inflows and outflows, so if one just purely rigged the game to make big money, it's stupid to put it in the bank as that would only give him trouble.

I didn't say that it will directly go to their banks if they procured an illegal money, it's not the launderers that have the legitimate businesses, it's the people that owns the illegal money that has the legitimate business, most launderers are only accountants and them having a lot of businesses is going to be difficult.

Regardless of who that person is, as long as he is into illegal activities and he put his money to the bank, that can be investigated and he has to explain it. We don't need to be accountants to gain knowledge about money laundering, a simple research would already educate us.

Indeed. That is why the money launderer needs to have another place to save that money to clean in the law eyes and not get a problem from his banks or the authorities. The illegal people will try to operate a legal business to cover their illegal business, not get a problem or cover their track from the government. We already saw how the money launderer is doing their business but soon, they caught by the authorities.

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Now, I am wondering as I am checking this thread, would there be another example of a rigged game that was infamous and was well known in the sports community? Surely with the long history of sports there might be other examples of this coming from other sports and was recorded on video. Does anyone here know any other example that was recorded on video? Maybe there is a possibility that something similar got recorded and it got too obvious resulting to them being sacked.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 21, 2021, 03:01:09 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 05:06:01 AM

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It will not go to the bank if a person who is into this illegal activity cannot explain the wealth. Launderers are financially capable, they have legit business to justify their cash inflows and outflows, so if one just purely rigged the game to make big money, it's stupid to put it in the bank as that would only give him trouble.

I didn't say that it will directly go to their banks if they procured an illegal money, it's not the launderers that have the legitimate businesses, it's the people that owns the illegal money that has the legitimate business, most launderers are only accountants and them having a lot of businesses is going to be difficult.

Regardless of who that person is, as long as he is into illegal activities and he put his money to the bank, that can be investigated and he has to explain it. We don't need to be accountants to gain knowledge about money laundering, a simple research would already educate us.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 04:14:13 AM

Quote from: stadus on May 17, 2021, 05:58:32 AM

Yes there is a bank secrecy law, but in the event of an investigation, the authorities could ask permission from the court, and if the court agrees, they will be given access to the record for the purpose of investigation, so if these people are cheating and they have unexplained money in their bank account, it can be used against them and they'll accuse of the case.

By the time that this people have checked the bank account of this individuals that are suspected of rigging the matches, the money will not be on their main account or the money has already been cleaned so there isn't much they can do unless they open a laundering case too.

But that is not the point of the investigation, even if the money is not there on the account anymore as long as you can see there was a deposit of money for an amount that cannot be explained then that is all what it is need to corroborate the fact those people were part of the plot to rig games, but most leagues do not want to do anything remotely close to this as they think they will lose fans on the short term, and that is true, but they are bound to lose more fans over the long term as the rigging of the games becomes impossible to hide from the general public.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 05:06:01 AM

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Very possible but the trace is still possible to track them up, all the transactions can be opened,

once the request already granted the bank can disclose those information, if the investigating group are really keen in finding those
individuals to punished and to break this illigal activities there are many ways in doing it.
The thing is, there are also influencial people or people who can pay more to cool this issue and eventually kill those news about it.

Depends how smart and crafty both the launderer and the AML team is going to be brcause if the launderer is smarter than the other team, they will probably get off scot free, remember that our laws regarding AML is really archaic for current standards so there are loopholes that the launderers can use to get away.

It will not go to the bank if a person who is into this illegal activity cannot explain the wealth. Launderers are financially capable, they have legit business to justify their cash inflows and outflows, so if one just purely rigged the game to make big money, it's stupid to put it in the bank as that would only give him trouble.

Indeed. They will save the money in the big safety box or spreads their wealth into many places with full security that will always guard that box. If they send the money into banks, that will not take too long for the banks to investigate the money and the banks will know where the money comes from. Launderers already think about that and will make sure that his money is safe from the banks and the authorities. They will not send the money from the rigging sports into their banks and it will be safe in their "safety home".

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 05:06:01 AM

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It will not go to the bank if a person who is into this illegal activity cannot explain the wealth. Launderers are financially capable, they have legit business to justify their cash inflows and outflows, so if one just purely rigged the game to make big money, it's stupid to put it in the bank as that would only give him trouble.

I didn't say that it will directly go to their banks if they procured an illegal money, it's not the launderers that have the legitimate businesses, it's the people that owns the illegal money that has the legitimate business, most launderers are only accountants and them having a lot of businesses is going to be difficult.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 05:06:01 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 04:14:13 AM

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Very possible but the trace is still possible to track them up, all the transactions can be opened,

once the request already granted the bank can disclose those information, if the investigating group are really keen in finding those
individuals to punished and to break this illigal activities there are many ways in doing it.
The thing is, there are also influencial people or people who can pay more to cool this issue and eventually kill those news about it.

Depends how smart and crafty both the launderer and the AML team is going to be brcause if the launderer is smarter than the other team, they will probably get off scot free, remember that our laws regarding AML is really archaic for current standards so there are loopholes that the launderers can use to get away.

It will not go to the bank if a person who is into this illegal activity cannot explain the wealth. Launderers are financially capable, they have legit business to justify their cash inflows and outflows, so if one just purely rigged the game to make big money, it's stupid to put it in the bank as that would only give him trouble.

We have to understand first the meaning of money laundering... For a basic definition, it's cleaning dirty money that's why they use the word "launder".. Banks and other financial institution are directed to report to the Anti Money Laundering Agency, and they just cooperate, so a criminal who doesn't have enough knowledge about this can easily be caught.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 05:06:01 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on May 20, 2021, 04:14:13 AM

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Very possible but the trace is still possible to track them up, all the transactions can be opened,

once the request already granted the bank can disclose those information, if the investigating group are really keen in finding those
individuals to punished and to break this illigal activities there are many ways in doing it.
The thing is, there are also influencial people or people who can pay more to cool this issue and eventually kill those news about it.

Depends how smart and crafty both the launderer and the AML team is going to be brcause if the launderer is smarter than the other team, they will probably get off scot free, remember that our laws regarding AML is really archaic for current standards so there are loopholes that the launderers can use to get away.

It will not go to the bank if a person who is into this illegal activity cannot explain the wealth. Launderers are financially capable, they have legit business to justify their cash inflows and outflows, so if one just purely rigged the game to make big money, it's stupid to put it in the bank as that would only give him trouble.

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