An obvious rigging of Sports. - page 7.

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 23, 2021, 04:50:49 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on April 22, 2021, 07:49:04 AM

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I know how crazy the sports are becoming more of a fraud business nowadays than how sports has being played before.
These athletes deserves a lifetime ban from the game.

Talking about fixed games around the world in general, I wouldn't say that we have more fixed games today than we used to have in the past. Actually, I think it's the opposite: with cameras in everyone's pocket and with the ability of uploading videos on YouTube right away, performing a fraud is becoming harder and harder these days. There were tons of fixed games in the past, we just don't have records of them.

You have a very good point and I agree. I may have overlooked upon those possibilities, what I meant is that, when sports was supposed to be more of an entertainment than a business.
We all know people gets so creative and thinks a lot of crazy stuff on how to earn more money from a specific business. And so fixed games did exist even before up until now. Some of these fixed games of todays may never be very obvious and not really noticeable, but this , this specific game right here shows an obvious fixing of game.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 23, 2021, 08:13:58 AM

~I agree with you, in the past a lot of fix games are happening that we don't know because we don't have an advance technology. Now, that we have cameras that we can close up and review how the players perform in the floor, it would be easy to detect if players are rigging games or not.

Maybe we didn't get interested with sports rigging issue that's why we got surprise with this news.
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I think the decrease in the number of fixing matches is declining not because of progress and improved fixation systems, but because the business is becoming more civilized. Everyone understands that fair play will bring the maximum amount of profit over the long run.

I can't disagree with you on that. Indeed playing fair is profitable in the long run, and civilized people know this fact and don't try to rig the games. However, if we think of why it is profitable, it is because once you've got caught cheating - you are out of the business. And the likelihood of being caught has increased sharply with advanced technologies.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 23, 2021, 12:01:00 PM

Quote from: Natalim on April 23, 2021, 08:13:58 AM

~I agree with you, in the past a lot of fix games are happening that we don't know because we don't have an advance technology. Now, that we have cameras that we can close up and review how the players perform in the floor, it would be easy to detect if players are rigging games or not.

Maybe we didn't get interested with sports rigging issue that's why we got surprise with this news.
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I think the decrease in the number of fixing matches is declining not because of progress and improved fixation systems, but because the business is becoming more civilized. Everyone understands that fair play will bring the maximum amount of profit over the long run.

Obviously, it will, however, it's only the players who are doing the fixing and not the league supporting it, the more the league gets popular, the more the market will be bigger and they can make bigger money from rigging their game, point-shaving is very popular, IMO, this is the safest way of rigging than intentionally losing the game for the benefit of the players rigging the game.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 21, 2021, 03:18:45 PM

If we already talking about fixed games, I can share recent case which happened just few days ago in my country. Look at this goal:
https://m.facebook.com/KrasnickasMantas/videos/3932323906788812/
It's just ridiculous. And there is many reasons to believe that game was fixed. First, live stream of game started only from 23rd minute, after 3 goals were already scored. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Both teams previously already been involved in fixed games. Home team were not allowed to join top division this year because of it, same happened to away team few years ago.
Away team manager already was banned in past for 2 years for allegations being involved in fixed games.
Before the game I saw post in one group suggesting to bet on over 4.5 goals. I thought it was joke, but game ended 3:2. I haven't saw odds before game, but I read comments saying that it didn't reflected real strength of both teams.
IMO, it was one of the most obvious example of fixed game in recent time I saw.

It is such a shame that this keeps happening, it seems they do not understand why people watch sports at all and why cheating is seen in such a bad light, we want to see competitors doing everything within the rules to win and if they do not and instead they try to lose or get a particular outcome then all the magic of the sport is gone, and when that is the case then why I should waste my time watching them? And as many people take the same decision then they wonder why no one views their games anymore.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 23, 2021, 08:13:58 AM

~I agree with you, in the past a lot of fix games are happening that we don't know because we don't have an advance technology. Now, that we have cameras that we can close up and review how the players perform in the floor, it would be easy to detect if players are rigging games or not.

Maybe we didn't get interested with sports rigging issue that's why we got surprise with this news.
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I think the decrease in the number of fixing matches is declining not because of progress and improved fixation systems, but because the business is becoming more civilized. Everyone understands that fair play will bring the maximum amount of profit over the long run.

Theyre much aware of it rather than making out rigged games and once bust then that would be completely over neither they would really be sanctioned for too long or would
completely be prohibited to have some games so those were the risk rather than on not to deal with these things which they can really somewhat foreseen on whats ahead
that they would still make money out of those fair games than on making rigged ones.This isnt something new into this industry of sports where
there are really some games which had been set-up on this way and of course it does involved money in between.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 23, 2021, 08:13:58 AM

~I agree with you, in the past a lot of fix games are happening that we don't know because we don't have an advance technology. Now, that we have cameras that we can close up and review how the players perform in the floor, it would be easy to detect if players are rigging games or not.

Maybe we didn't get interested with sports rigging issue that's why we got surprise with this news.
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I think the decrease in the number of fixing matches is declining not because of progress and improved fixation systems, but because the business is becoming more civilized. Everyone understands that fair play will bring the maximum amount of profit over the long run.

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Quote from: agustina2 on April 22, 2021, 04:18:56 PM

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I don't know him but yeah, usually at that age, in PBA that's already in retirement and can no longer play. But with what he has done, before he retires, there's already a bad description to his name whether he's going to retire soon or not yet.
He should've put himself into a clear conscience and explain what has happened and what made him involved in that incident.

If I remember it right he's with the same league with Marc Pingris on Welcoat Team. A high flyer guy. They are popular before being drafted in the PBA so the hype about them is already there when they finally enter the oldest basketball league in Asia. I didn't even know that he's still active in basketball today and just saw his name on the news being involved on that rigged games.

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It was his choice to get involved in this controversy. He's already a veteran and he should choose better for his career. But he chose the wrong one and chose to be involved with this incident.

Quote from: Kasabus on April 22, 2021, 04:48:11 PM

At least these guys are already expose now, it will affect the league or the entire sports but at least the management and the basketball association are doing to eliminate this kind of people in the league, they ruined the reputation of our league, they should be sanctioned with the biggest punishment.

The management really have to do their thing upon finding out that such things are happening.

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Quote from: chaser15 on April 22, 2021, 08:17:18 AM

Jojo Tangkay, one of my favorite players since PBL to PBA days was also part of that rigged game.

Can't believed he participated in that. Even he's no choice, he can voice out that in the public or seeks help on authorities to keep him safe from those rigged initiators. He's lucky that at 46 years old he still allowed to play.

Close to retirement now but give dirt to his famous name.

He earned two MVP awards in the PBL and was its star player back then although he did not have a good experience in the PBA he can be considered a top amateur player, all the awards and good reputation he earned in his younger days will go to nothing if the authorities found him guilty or part of rigging the game, he really needs money that he allowed himself to be part of rigging the game.

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Quote from: Betwrong on April 23, 2021, 04:50:49 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on April 22, 2021, 07:49:04 AM

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I know how crazy the sports are becoming more of a fraud business nowadays than how sports has being played before.
These athletes deserves a lifetime ban from the game.

Talking about fixed games around the world in general, I wouldn't say that we have more fixed games today than we used to have in the past. Actually, I think it's the opposite: with cameras in everyone's pocket and with the ability of uploading videos on YouTube right away, performing a fraud is becoming harder and harder these days. There were tons of fixed games in the past, we just don't have records of them.

I agree with you, in the past a lot of fix games are happening that we don't know because we don't have an advance technology. Now, that we have cameras that we can close up and review how the players perform in the floor, it would be easy to detect if players are rigging games or not.

Maybe we didn't get interested with sports rigging issue that's why we got surprise with this news.

@Betwrong , you are right, there's a lot of video in youtube and I like watching all the conspiracy theories as its quite convincing to me.

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Quote from: Oasisman on April 22, 2021, 07:49:04 AM

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I know how crazy the sports are becoming more of a fraud business nowadays than how sports has being played before.
These athletes deserves a lifetime ban from the game.

Talking about fixed games around the world in general, I wouldn't say that we have more fixed games today than we used to have in the past. Actually, I think it's the opposite: with cameras in everyone's pocket and with the ability of uploading videos on YouTube right away, performing a fraud is becoming harder and harder these days. There were tons of fixed games in the past, we just don't have records of them.

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Again? Betting for a sport? Well, it always happens in local clubs or even global teams that where there are betting, the sports cannot play or run well.
This is a classic problem that is still happening in most clubs in whatever sports.
We all know that probably the people who are betting on sports may also deal with the big influence to the sports itself, however, we cannot see that because we may not have enough proof.

However about or related to this case, it seems that if there is really an obvious rigging of sports, it means that there is no sportive or fair play again. but it is about money.

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Quote from: agustina2 on April 22, 2021, 04:18:56 PM

Quote from: blockman on April 22, 2021, 02:40:30 PM

I don't know him but yeah, usually at that age, in PBA that's already in retirement and can no longer play. But with what he has done, before he retires, there's already a bad description to his name whether he's going to retire soon or not yet.
He should've put himself into a clear conscience and explain what has happened and what made him involved in that incident.

If I remember it right he's with the same league with Marc Pingris on Welcoat Team. A high flyer guy. They are popular before being drafted in the PBA so the hype about them is already there when they finally enter the oldest basketball league in Asia. I didn't even know that he's still active in basketball today and just saw his name on the news being involved on that rigged games.

Rain or Shine owner saddened by former player Jojo Tangkay's suspension

At least these guys are already expose now, it will affect the league or the entire sports but at least the management and the basketball association are doing to eliminate this kind of people in the league, they ruined the reputation of our league, they should be sanctioned with the biggest punishment.

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Quote from: blockman on April 22, 2021, 02:40:30 PM

I don't know him but yeah, usually at that age, in PBA that's already in retirement and can no longer play. But with what he has done, before he retires, there's already a bad description to his name whether he's going to retire soon or not yet.
He should've put himself into a clear conscience and explain what has happened and what made him involved in that incident.

If I remember it right he's with the same league with Marc Pingris on Welcoat Team. A high flyer guy. They are popular before being drafted in the PBA so the hype about them is already there when they finally enter the oldest basketball league in Asia. I didn't even know that he's still active in basketball today and just saw his name on the news being involved on that rigged games.

Rain or Shine owner saddened by former player Jojo Tangkay's suspension

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Quote from: chaser15 on April 22, 2021, 08:17:18 AM

Jojo Tangkay, one of my favorite players since PBL to PBA days was also part of that rigged game.

Can't believed he participated in that. Even he's no choice, he can voice out that in the public or seeks help on authorities to keep him safe from those rigged initiators. He's lucky that at 46 years old he still allowed to play.

Close to retirement now but give dirt to his famous name.

I don't know him but yeah, usually at that age, in PBA that's already in retirement and can no longer play. But with what he has done, before he retires, there's already a bad description to his name whether he's going to retire soon or not yet.
He should've put himself into a clear conscience and explain what has happened and what made him involved in that incident.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 22, 2021, 01:35:35 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on April 22, 2021, 07:49:04 AM

Which country was that?
I've been playing football when I was in highschool and all I can say about the video was, it's either the goal keeper was dumb, or a huge possiblity for a fixed game.
I know some basic rules in football. The goal keeper could've easily picked it up after the opponent kicks the ball towards him, but he did let the ball slip off his feet and let the opponent steal it from him and score a goal.

I know how crazy the sports are becoming more of a fraud business nowadays than how sports has being played before.
These athletes deserves a lifetime ban from the game.

It's 2nd division of Lithuania. It's very dirty league, every season there is at least 3-4 suspicious teams playing which often have strange results. It's nothing suprising that players get involved in match fixing. Here they get very little money, probably not more than going into ordinary job. So, they earn extra money in such way.
It's difficult and risky to bet on such games without having inside info. But still, it's possible to make some money if you follow results of teams and what's going on in odds market before the game and during live game.

Hard part on making out bets specially if the players are already directly involved on such fixing.Solely the reason on why they do agree on such set-up is really up for the money.
They dont care out that much since they would really be getting some amounts which are more than that they could able generate on so it isnt surprising that
rigged games does exist neither the team or players itself are involved or not.This is one of the reason on why i dont make any bets on smaller league.

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Quote from: blockman on April 21, 2021, 10:21:23 AM

Quote from: nitrobetting on April 21, 2021, 12:30:46 AM

100% disrespect to the game of basketball, but an advantage for those who bet on the winning team. I think this happens a lot but more subtle in the pros or perhaps in the NBA. Not a team as a whole, but in the NBA remember when James Harden disappeared vs. the Spurs? A lot of factors can be considered
but a massive shift and obvious display of lack of effort isn't so hard to miss in this kind of sport.

Not in the NBA anymore I think. But maybe yes, in the past that there were some isolated cases that have happened through it but it's different by this time.
There's really big money in basketball that makes these players agree what they don't want to do. They deserve the sanction and ban.

There are issues on NBA too about being rigged on some games which are bit obvious but this isnt as rampant compared into those minor leagues that do happen because if we do

really think off about the possibilities then its there but it wont really be that common or that be too obvious.So i would be skipping out on NBA but rather sticking into those

professional games just like on that video given which those gameplays are purely shit and damn obvious.

NBA is big but not exempted to this kind of activities but like what you have said it hard to touch that concern and it's better to
focus to what we are discussing from here.

Those provided sunctions for now is good and appropriate banning the entire team who really execute the obvious rigged and
suspending the other side will serve as warning.

For now, those teams and players who are planning to do the same will think twice knowing the stake that they'll going to face if
they'll caught in actions.

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Quote from: Oasisman on April 22, 2021, 07:49:04 AM

Which country was that?
I've been playing football when I was in highschool and all I can say about the video was, it's either the goal keeper was dumb, or a huge possiblity for a fixed game.
I know some basic rules in football. The goal keeper could've easily picked it up after the opponent kicks the ball towards him, but he did let the ball slip off his feet and let the opponent steal it from him and score a goal.

I know how crazy the sports are becoming more of a fraud business nowadays than how sports has being played before.
These athletes deserves a lifetime ban from the game.

It's 2nd division of Lithuania. It's very dirty league, every season there is at least 3-4 suspicious teams playing which often have strange results. It's nothing suprising that players get involved in match fixing. Here they get very little money, probably not more than going into ordinary job. So, they earn extra money in such way.
It's difficult and risky to bet on such games without having inside info. But still, it's possible to make some money if you follow results of teams and what's going on in odds market before the game and during live game.

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Quote from: chaser15 on April 22, 2021, 08:17:18 AM

Jojo Tangkay, one of my favorite players since PBL to PBA days was also part of that rigged game.

I'm not familiar with his name, what team is he playing in the PBA and did he won a championship back then?

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Can't believed he participated in that. Even he's no choice, he can voice out that in the public or seeks help on authorities to keep him safe from those rigged initiators. He's lucky that at 46 years old he still allowed to play.

Close to retirement now but give dirt to his famous name.

So it's really true that they are just force to do the rigging? or this is just rumors?

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Jojo Tangkay, one of my favorite players since PBL to PBA days was also part of that rigged game.

Can't believed he participated in that. Even he's no choice, he can voice out that in the public or seeks help on authorities to keep him safe from those rigged initiators. He's lucky that at 46 years old he still allowed to play.

Close to retirement now but give dirt to his famous name.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 21, 2021, 03:18:45 PM

If we already talking about fixed games, I can share recent case which happened just few days ago in my country. Look at this goal:
https://m.facebook.com/KrasnickasMantas/videos/3932323906788812/
It's just ridiculous. And there is many reasons to believe that game was fixed. First, live stream of game started only from 23rd minute, after 3 goals were already scored. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Both teams previously already been involved in fixed games. Home team were not allowed to join top division this year because of it, same happened to away team few years ago.
Away team manager already was banned in past for 2 years for allegations being involved in fixed games.
Before the game I saw post in one group suggesting to bet on over 4.5 goals. I thought it was joke, but game ended 3:2. I haven't saw odds before game, but I read comments saying that it didn't reflected real strength of both teams.
IMO, it was one of the most obvious example of fixed game in recent time I saw.

Which country was that?
I've been playing football when I was in highschool and all I can say about the video was, it's either the goal keeper was dumb, or a huge possiblity for a fixed game.
I know some basic rules in football. The goal keeper could've easily picked it up after the opponent kicks the ball towards him, but he did let the ball slip off his feet and let the opponent steal it from him and score a goal.

I know how crazy the sports are becoming more of a fraud business nowadays than how sports has being played before.
These athletes deserves a lifetime ban from the game.

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