Andy Ruiz vs Anthony Joshua II - page 11.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 12, 2019, 11:29:56 AM

if he gets defeated now he will start eating again and call out for a trilogy and it all depends how much money they will be making in their second fight .

Lol, I think its likely to happen because that diet was not effective on this rematch.
He beat Joshua at his original built so let's see if his new built now would help him to win the rematch, otherwise its just a waste of time and effort.

I'm really counting that this could be a better fight compared to the first.
A trilogy would be nice too, but I have a feeling Joshua will again suffer a loss for the 2nd time, the public would not agree but me and Ruiz will prove them wrong. haha. Grin

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 10, 2019, 09:11:06 PM

@Baofeng. He will disprove the Mexican. Andy's new tacoless diet might be a mistake hehe. He might be faster, however, he might lose some of his power.

He might also faint because of hunger hehehe.

Lol, I think you know that sports science has evolved already, he may have to eat vegetables tacos made of veggies. Grin

Sharing you an opinion of out of Britain's ex-heavyweight champion as well:

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Now, former heavyweight champion David Haye has given his thoughts on the rematch and the 39-year-old is worried about the psychological effects the first loss may have on Joshua.

Speaking to The Times, he said: "Boxers talk about flashbacks and we will not know the impact of that defeat until Anthony Joshua gets hit on the chin by Ruiz.

“He might well revert back to how he felt in that first fight.

"That first big shot might buckle the knees and all the hype and all the training goes out of the window.”

"If he loses twice to a guy that not many believe is the best in the division we are talking lots of tough fights even to get back into contention.

“He needs to win conclusively. Ruiz has proved you can’t judge a book by its cover, but sometimes a fighter gets that first big pay-cheque and they lose the eye of the tiger.

https://www.boxingscene.com/haye-we-know-impact-loss-ruiz-hits-joshua-on-chin--144222

Totally agree with Haye here, that's why I said that the burden of proof is with Joshua here, he really needs to win and win it convincingly and conclusively other wise it will just pop more questions on his boxing skills and his heart to be with the likes of Wilder and Fury.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 10, 2019, 09:11:06 PM

@Baofeng. He will disprove the Mexican. Andy's new tacoless diet might be a mistake hehe. He might be faster, however, he might lose some of his power.
He might also faint because of hunger hehehe.

If he is dieting like this he might go down to light heavyweight and become a double champion if he is able to defeat Anthony Joshua once again. The media just poked his ego about him so fat and that made him force to diet and become a model Cheesy

, if he gets defeated now he will start eating again and call out for a trilogy and it all depends how much money they will be making in their second fight .

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Quote from: Botnake on November 11, 2019, 02:20:30 AM

That's true, I think if Andy is really confident on winning this fight, he has a decent odds then he should bet on himself.
These 2 giants will prove to us that once again they will deliver a good fight, it doesn't matter to me who will win as long as they will once again entertain us.

As a fighter Andy Ruiz cannot wage a bet on a match he is involved in and if he does he will get into trouble and probably land in jail Tongue

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Quote from: Botnake on November 11, 2019, 02:20:30 AM

However, since we are also gambler, its impossible to watch this fight without putting our bet.
I hope you guys already put your bet before the line moves to be not on your favor.

I like the odds for Andy Ruiz and i will be wagging for him even though he trimmed down and it all depends upon how Anthony Joshua can learn from his mistakes and come back stronger.

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Quote from: Kasabus on November 11, 2019, 05:55:40 PM

Quote from: NavI_027 on November 11, 2019, 06:07:04 AM

I do hope also. I'm no longer entertained by one hit KOs. Yeah there was a sudden hype which you can feel but I now prefer more of a "last man standing" kind of fight because it's more entertaining. However, speaking about heavyweights, short term fights usually happen since they are all hard punchers Cheesy

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Yeah, we cannot erase that possibility that a knock out could be possible in this fight since both fighters are eager to trained and we can say that they are well prepared for this fight. And according to my book, Joshua has 1.84 odds if he will win by KO and 3.65 for Ruiz if won the same.

sportsbook are telling us what the people are thinking about this fight, but it does not usually mean they are right all the time.

The odds are very different if the market is more likely to choose Joshua to win I will still choose Ruiz to win. but I'm a little curious, why the market prefers AJ over Andy? whereas in the first match Ruiz performed quite well and won.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on November 11, 2019, 06:07:04 AM

I do hope also. I'm no longer entertained by one hit KOs. Yeah there was a sudden hype which you can feel but I now prefer more of a "last man standing" kind of fight because it's more entertaining. However, speaking about heavyweights, short term fights usually happen since they are all hard punchers Cheesy

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Yeah, we cannot erase that possibility that a knock out could be possible in this fight since both fighters are eager to trained and we can say that they are well prepared for this fight. And according to my book, Joshua has 1.84 odds if he will win by KO and 3.65 for Ruiz if won the same.

sportsbook are telling us what the people are thinking about this fight, but it does not usually mean they are right all the time.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 10, 2019, 09:11:06 PM

@Baofeng. He will disprove the Mexican. Andy's new tacoless diet might be a mistake hehe. He might be faster, however, he might lose some of his power.

Tacoless diet, you got me there Grin

lmao. I agree but if the weight he is aiming still meets the required weight then I don't see anything to worry about. Maybe Team Ruiz got a new strategy to cope the size disadvantage.

Quote from: Kasabus on November 10, 2019, 11:17:12 PM

Surely this is a fun fight to watch, lets just hope it will last longer before anyone will be knock out.

I do hope also. I'm no longer entertained by one hit KOs. Yeah there was a sudden hype which you can feel but I now prefer more of a "last man standing" kind of fight because it's more entertaining. However, speaking about heavyweights, short term fights usually happen since they are all hard punchers Cheesy

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on November 11, 2019, 01:51:18 AM

Andy is still considered to be the underdog, and this could again work in his favour.

That's true, I think if Andy is really confident on winning this fight, he has a decent odds then he should bet on himself.
These 2 giants will prove to us that once again they will deliver a good fight, it doesn't matter to me who will win as long as they will once again entertain us.

However, since we are also gambler, its impossible to watch this fight without putting our bet.

I hope you guys already put your bet before the line moves to be not on your favor.

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Quote from: Kasabus on November 10, 2019, 11:17:12 PM

Surely this is a fun fight to watch, lets just hope it will last longer before anyone will be knock out.

I also think so, both camps have been preparing well for the brawl, and it would surely get more media attention that the first match (where almost everyone expected an easy win for Joshua)
Another loss for Joshua this year would be a disaster for his career, and take him further down in the pecking order for the title, most of the pressure rests on him.
Andy is still considered to be the underdog, and this could again work in his favour.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 10, 2019, 09:11:06 PM

He might also faint because of hunger hehehe.

That will not happen, he has a trainer and a coach who knows what they are doing, and this is a big fight so they are preparing for this just like his opponent is doing to take the belt from him.

Surely this is a fun fight to watch, lets just hope it will last longer before anyone will be knock out.

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@Baofeng. He will disprove the Mexican. Andy's new tacoless diet might be a mistake hehe. He might be faster, however, he might lose some of his power.

He might also faint because of hunger hehehe.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 08, 2019, 09:49:10 PM

Quote from: Jating on November 08, 2019, 08:20:48 AM

Quote from: DeathAngel on November 08, 2019, 07:32:41 AM

I’m really looking forward to this fight, I expect & hope that Joshua will avenge his surprise defeat from the first bout. Ruiz caught a complacent Joshua, I don’t think AJ will make the same mistakes again.

Looking at the odds, it's obvious that the odd makers will see Joshua as the winner, even though Ruiz defeated him in the first fight.

Could be Joshua is over confident and complacent that he can defeat Ruiz easily and look for the next fight and that his mistakes. But I think this is going to be an exciting fight, Ruiz is really vent on proving that his win is for real and not a fluke as Joshua's camp is trying to portray.

Andy Ruiz wants to prove, however, Anthony Joshua might have also trained harder to disprove. I am waiting for the millions of Mexicans to bet on their fighter to improve Joshua's odds hehehe.

I'm sure of that, lol, Mexicans are very proud of their boxers so I have no doubt that they are going to pour it end when the fight gets closer.

The burden of proof is on Joshua right now, let's see if he can prove that he still has it. Grin

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Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 08, 2019, 12:47:14 PM

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Never heard of it but thanks for sharing.

It doesn't make sense though, and I far as I can remember they have a rematch clause but $75 million is too big imho. Yes, AJ is still the A-side of the fight although he lost the first match, but personally I'm not seeing and not buying this $75 million pay check. Even Fury and Wilder wouldn't get that money right now.

The fact is that I myself was surprised by the statement of Jarrell Miller, where he mentions the amount of $ 75 million. If we talked about a smaller amount, then we could have believed. But in my opinion this is not the level of battle and fighters where such large amounts appear. I would very carefully study this question, where is the truth and where are the vines in order to more accurately predict the results of the battle.

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Quote from: Jating on November 08, 2019, 08:20:48 AM

Quote from: DeathAngel on November 08, 2019, 07:32:41 AM

I’m really looking forward to this fight, I expect & hope that Joshua will avenge his surprise defeat from the first bout. Ruiz caught a complacent Joshua, I don’t think AJ will make the same mistakes again.

Looking at the odds, it's obvious that the odd makers will see Joshua as the winner, even though Ruiz defeated him in the first fight.

Could be Joshua is over confident and complacent that he can defeat Ruiz easily and look for the next fight and that his mistakes. But I think this is going to be an exciting fight, Ruiz is really vent on proving that his win is for real and not a fluke as Joshua's camp is trying to portray.

Andy Ruiz wants to prove, however, Anthony Joshua might have also trained harder to disprove. I am waiting for the millions of Mexicans to bet on their fighter to improve Joshua's odds hehehe.

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Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 08, 2019, 12:47:14 PM

Quote from: bering on November 08, 2019, 03:51:32 AM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 07, 2019, 01:55:29 PM

There is such a statement that Joshua will lose the fight to Ruiz, because some facts speak about this, after the analysis of which one can come to this conclusion. First of all, I want to note that the rematch will take place in Saudi Arabia, where no battles have been fought before. In addition, it is very revealing that the fighter who lost in the first battle will receive $ 75 million for the second rematch, which is much more than in the first battle. This of course is information for thought only.

Although Ruiz can be consider as the favourite here but there was news regarding the payment from both of fighters that Ruiz payment will be so low compare to Joshua payment that he will only get 9 million pounds for this rematch and for Joshua payment it will be doubled or triples from Ruiz money but i don't think it will be reach to $75 million

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Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 07, 2019, 01:55:29 PM

There is such a statement that Joshua will lose the fight to Ruiz, because some facts speak about this, after the analysis of which one can come to this conclusion. First of all, I want to note that the rematch will take place in Saudi Arabia, where no battles have been fought before. In addition, it is very revealing that the fighter who lost in the first battle will receive $ 75 million for the second rematch, which is much more than in the first battle. This of course is information for thought only.

Where did you see that Joshua will be receiving $75 million for the rematch? That sounds highly unlikely even if AJ is one of the UK's top prize fighters.

I mean we can assume that AJ and Ruiz are getting 50:50 for the next fight, do you really think Ruiz is getting paid $75m... I highly doubt that.

I think it's probably somewhere more like $25-$30 million for the pair if 50:50, or $35m and $25m if not.

I won’t argue with you guys, but this information is available on the network (vRINGe..com) that American heavyweight Jarrell Miller commented on. It was Miller who voiced such numbers for a rematch ($75 m) . I am also shocked by what I said, so I wanted to share this news.

Never heard of it but thanks for sharing.

It doesn't make sense though, and I far as I can remember they have a rematch clause but $75 million is too big imho. Yes, AJ is still the A-side of the fight although he lost the first match, but personally I'm not seeing and not buying this $75 million pay check. Even Fury and Wilder wouldn't get that money right now.

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Quote from: bering on November 08, 2019, 03:51:32 AM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 07, 2019, 01:55:29 PM

There is such a statement that Joshua will lose the fight to Ruiz, because some facts speak about this, after the analysis of which one can come to this conclusion. First of all, I want to note that the rematch will take place in Saudi Arabia, where no battles have been fought before. In addition, it is very revealing that the fighter who lost in the first battle will receive $ 75 million for the second rematch, which is much more than in the first battle. This of course is information for thought only.

Although Ruiz can be consider as the favourite here but there was news regarding the payment from both of fighters that Ruiz payment will be so low compare to Joshua payment that he will only get 9 million pounds for this rematch and for Joshua payment it will be doubled or triples from Ruiz money but i don't think it will be reach to $75 million

Quote from: josephdd1 on November 07, 2019, 03:24:17 PM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 07, 2019, 01:55:29 PM

There is such a statement that Joshua will lose the fight to Ruiz, because some facts speak about this, after the analysis of which one can come to this conclusion. First of all, I want to note that the rematch will take place in Saudi Arabia, where no battles have been fought before. In addition, it is very revealing that the fighter who lost in the first battle will receive $ 75 million for the second rematch, which is much more than in the first battle. This of course is information for thought only.

Where did you see that Joshua will be receiving $75 million for the rematch? That sounds highly unlikely even if AJ is one of the UK's top prize fighters.

I mean we can assume that AJ and Ruiz are getting 50:50 for the next fight, do you really think Ruiz is getting paid $75m... I highly doubt that.

I think it's probably somewhere more like $25-$30 million for the pair if 50:50, or $35m and $25m if not.

I won’t argue with you guys, but this information is available on the network (vRINGe..com) that American heavyweight Jarrell Miller commented on. It was Miller who voiced such numbers for a rematch ($75 m) . I am also shocked by what I said, so I wanted to share this news.

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Quote from: Jating on November 08, 2019, 08:20:48 AM

Quote from: DeathAngel on November 08, 2019, 07:32:41 AM

I’m really looking forward to this fight, I expect & hope that Joshua will avenge his surprise defeat from the first bout. Ruiz caught a complacent Joshua, I don’t think AJ will make the same mistakes again.

Looking at the odds, it's obvious that the odd makers will see Joshua as the winner, even though Ruiz defeated him in the first fight.

Could be Joshua is over confident and complacent that he can defeat Ruiz easily and look for the next fight and that his mistakes. But I think this is going to be an exciting fight, Ruiz is really vent on proving that his win is for real and not a fluke as Joshua's camp is trying to portray.

Basing on the odds then theres no doubt that AJ is the favorite on here but I wont believe that Ruiz team aren't preparing for something.

He would need to prove it out that hes way more better than AJ into their rematch and it isn't really bad to throw up some dollars on Ruiz though
considering on the odds given but I think this rematch would be on one-sided.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on November 08, 2019, 07:32:41 AM

I’m really looking forward to this fight, I expect & hope that Joshua will avenge his surprise defeat from the first bout. Ruiz caught a complacent Joshua, I don’t think AJ will make the same mistakes again.

Looking at the odds, it's obvious that the odd makers will see Joshua as the winner, even though Ruiz defeated him in the first fight.

Could be Joshua is over confident and complacent that he can defeat Ruiz easily and look for the next fight and that his mistakes. But I think this is going to be an exciting fight, Ruiz is really vent on proving that his win is for real and not a fluke as Joshua's camp is trying to portray.

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I’m really looking forward to this fight, I expect & hope that Joshua will avenge his surprise defeat from the first bout. Ruiz caught a complacent Joshua, I don’t think AJ will make the same mistakes again.

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Quote from: bering on November 08, 2019, 03:51:32 AM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 07, 2019, 01:55:29 PM

There is such a statement that Joshua will lose the fight to Ruiz, because some facts speak about this, after the analysis of which one can come to this conclusion. First of all, I want to note that the rematch will take place in Saudi Arabia, where no battles have been fought before. In addition, it is very revealing that the fighter who lost in the first battle will receive $ 75 million for the second rematch, which is much more than in the first battle. This of course is information for thought only.

Although Ruiz can be consider as the favourite here but there was news regarding the payment from both of fighters that Ruiz payment will be so low compare to Joshua payment that he will only get 9 million pounds for this rematch and for Joshua payment it will be doubled or triples from Ruiz money but i don't think it will be reach to $75 million

Ruiz is not the favorites, though he is the current champion but its still AJ who is the favorites here.
You can check the line in one of the betting sites,

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/matchups/joshua-anthony-ruiz-jr-andy-5d4e7739a0de2962b0cbecf7

Odds : Ruiz - 3 AJ - 1.34

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