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December 05, 2019, 12:22:13 PM
The fight is over, he should move on and focus to this rematch as it could be an ending career fight for him, if he still wants to continue his journey, he needs to prove that he is the better fighter here. Talking so much about the past won't help him, the real battle is near, he should be more focus to this.
If Anthony Joshua looses this fight his spot as the best heavyweight is gone and to come back from the defeat is impossible and hence the amount of pressure he will be having in this rematch is immense and i hope that wont crumble him even before the fight as his fighting career is on the line and Andy Ruiz is not an easy opponent too, the main issue is with the height difference and Ruiz is really fast with his punches and combinations and if he cannot counter that he is in deep trouble yet again.
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December 05, 2019, 10:32:29 AM
Anthony Joshua v Andy Ruiz II: Four talking points from fight week so far

Anthony Joshua has something to get off his chest.  As he nears his rematch with Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia on Saturday, the former world heavyweight champion has repeatedly promised to "tell everyone" the story behind his shock defeat on 1 June - if he wins this time.


https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50652459

Rofl.  But here's the thing...  He was KO'd and he wasn't even winning the bout (no excuse for losing cos of a 'lucky punch' Grin).  I'm pretty sure it's gonna be in his head coming into the ring.  I mean I'm not really into boxing but I think Ruiz got this.

AJ seems to have shifted to some drama here. Fighters do not have to explain off their chest, and even create a dramatic anticipation around it, why they got defeated, even KOed in AJ's case; fighters clarify everything with their punches. He needs to work hard and put Ruiz down come rematch time. That or he better keep what he's supposed to say in his chest forever. Whatever explanations, valid or not, raised by a defeated fighter will only appear as a cheap excuse or alibi more often than not. Real fighters just say "no excuses, I got KOed; I'll do better next time."

The fight is over, he should move on and focus to this rematch as it could be an ending career fight for him, if he still wants to continue his journey, he needs to prove that he is the better fighter here. Talking so much about the past won't help him, the real battle is near, he should be more focus to this.
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December 05, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Anthony Joshua v Andy Ruiz II: Four talking points from fight week so far

Anthony Joshua has something to get off his chest.  As he nears his rematch with Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia on Saturday, the former world heavyweight champion has repeatedly promised to "tell everyone" the story behind his shock defeat on 1 June - if he wins this time.


https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50652459

Rofl.  But here's the thing...  He was KO'd and he wasn't even winning the bout (no excuse for losing cos of a 'lucky punch' Grin).  I'm pretty sure it's gonna be in his head coming into the ring.  I mean I'm not really into boxing but I think Ruiz got this.

AJ seems to have shifted to some drama here. Fighters do not have to explain off their chest, and even create a dramatic anticipation around it, why they got defeated, even KOed in AJ's case; fighters clarify everything with their punches. He needs to work hard and put Ruiz down come rematch time. That or he better keep what he's supposed to say in his chest forever. Whatever explanations, valid or not, raised by a defeated fighter will only appear as a cheap excuse or alibi more often than not. Real fighters just say "no excuses, I got KOed; I'll do better next time."
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December 05, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
Anthony Joshua v Andy Ruiz II: Four talking points from fight week so far

Anthony Joshua has something to get off his chest.  As he nears his rematch with Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia on Saturday, the former world heavyweight champion has repeatedly promised to "tell everyone" the story behind his shock defeat on 1 June - if he wins this time.


https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50652459

Rofl.  But here's the thing...  He was KO'd and he wasn't even winning the bout (no excuse for losing cos of a 'lucky punch' Grin).  I'm pretty sure it's gonna be in his head coming into the ring.  I mean I'm not really into boxing but I think Ruiz got this.
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December 05, 2019, 09:49:15 AM
And if Ruiz will once again prevail over Joshua come December 8 and Fury will beat Wilder early next year, there will be an interesting battle between the 6' 9" giant and the ~6' Ruiz. That is going to be one amazing fight. LOL.

Both fury and Ruiz are underdog against their respective opponent but if its their time, nothing can stop them.

Fury is not the underdog in his forthcoming rematch with Wilder. The tide has turned to his favor, at least as far as the odds-makers are concerned. He is the favorite in this rematch unlike when they first met more than a year ago.

But first things first, everyone's excited to see the Ruiz-Joshua II in a few days from now. I've already placed my bet for Ruiz.

You are right, odds are  Deontay Wilder +105 / Tyson Fury -125

Based on  : https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/boxing-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-ii-odds-and-prediction

But odds not yet available in crypto sportsbook.
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December 05, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
I will make my prediction once the fight will be near, it gives some insights that both fighters will be preparing for it and have enough time to make it perfectly shaped.
It for sure Joshua will push himself to the limit and reclaims his championship but how about Ruiz? There is something to prove also and it gonna be a big big fight for them. I've never thought that it never reaches into 12 rounds.

If the first fight ended in a decision then we can expect anyone of the fighter can dominate the other one, but Joshua give up on this fight, he is totally outclassed, out punch and it's almost like a no match, he has no answer to Ruiz punch we still don't know how his team is going to counter Ruiz, but one thing is for sure, he can't take Ruiz punch while Ruiz can take his punch.
Anthony Joshua's over-confidence may have cost him that fight. Who would have think that a fighter with beer belly would knock out him. We can't predict on who will win this fight but i think the challenger here had a big chance since he have to prove to everybody that the loss that he have is just a fluke and not because he is being outclassed.

Being humble is very important, it will help you dominate your opponent. Keep your mouth shut until you perform your deadly skills, let them talk and destroy him after. Control you emotions and focus on the fight. If AJ does that then he can execute his punches quickly.

Fighters are trained to become well-disciplined, focus and determined. Well in fact, he is not focused about the fight, he didn't take Ruiz seriously. That's the problem.

So in this rematch, it is very hard to predict who will win this time. Ruiz got the momentum, but Anthony Joshua got his revenge and is determined to get the belt.
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December 05, 2019, 08:57:18 AM
And if Ruiz will once again prevail over Joshua come December 8 and Fury will beat Wilder early next year, there will be an interesting battle between the 6' 9" giant and the ~6' Ruiz. That is going to be one amazing fight. LOL.

Both fury and Ruiz are underdog against their respective opponent but if its their time, nothing can stop them.

Fury is not the underdog in his forthcoming rematch with Wilder. The tide has turned to his favor, at least as far as the odds-makers are concerned. He is the favorite in this rematch unlike when they first met more than a year ago.

But first things first, everyone's excited to see the Ruiz-Joshua II in a few days from now. I've already placed my bet for Ruiz.
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December 05, 2019, 07:30:03 AM
And if Ruiz will once again prevail over Joshua come December 8 and Fury will beat Wilder early next year, there will be an interesting battle between the 6' 9" giant and the ~6' Ruiz. That is going to be one amazing fight. LOL.

That's a hell of a fight, but I would go with Fury if that will happen, beating wilder is such a big success already and we know Fury knows how to score, he can use his speed and his height to consistently hurt an opponent. Let's just watch what would really happen to this fight, and then we can make speculation like that.

Both fury and Ruiz are underdog against their respective opponent but if its their time, nothing can stop them.
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December 05, 2019, 06:50:47 AM
It's amazing to see these two fighters not trash talking, all they have to say in the press are the game plan for the upcoming fight.

Ruiz said he is ready if Joshua will use the bicycle, but not heard on the interview if he is ready for the hug  Smiley. Surely, AJ needed to use that clinch as that is a very useful strategy that is being used by many champions like Bernard Hopkins  Smiley.

 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFEqvlgRBUE

Anthony Joshua got already the highest title in the sports, and for being a sports star, he also entered the Olympics in London and won the best heavyweight. Still, not all the time the stars stay at the top time comes there's a challenger wants to conquer the sports and Andy Ruiz comes and beat up the legendary champion, by this rivals the people caught their attention because of too much excitement on their every game.
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December 05, 2019, 06:25:17 AM
It's amazing to see these two fighters not trash talking, all they have to say in the press are the game plan for the upcoming fight.

Ruiz said he is ready if Joshua will use the bicycle, but not heard on the interview if he is ready for the hug  Smiley. Surely, AJ needed to use that clinch as that is a very useful strategy that is being used by many champions like Bernard Hopkins  Smiley.

 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFEqvlgRBUE
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December 05, 2019, 02:52:24 AM
Anthony Joshua v Andy Ruiz II: Four talking points from fight week so far

Anthony Joshua has something to get off his chest.  As he nears his rematch with Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia on Saturday, the former world heavyweight champion has repeatedly promised to "tell everyone" the story behind his shock defeat on 1 June - if he wins this time.


https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50652459
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December 04, 2019, 11:04:43 PM
People still treat him as an underdog after those brutal punch that left Joshua exposed as a coward who gives up all his title because he cannot keep up with those heavy and quick punches, let's see now if he has a solution to those heavy and quick punch
Have you seen this fight? no, Joshua didn't gave up, it was the ref who stop the fight .

You can see one of the highlights here  Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Jr. Full Fight Highlights HD

These fighters are really tall,.. 6"2 vs 6"6.  Grin

Lol, there's no chance Andy Ruiz is 6'2. I was at one of the MSG press conferences for the first fight, he's probably around 5'11 at best.

I'm 6'1 and I definitely had a couple inches at LEAST on Ruiz. AJ is an absolute monster though, definitely just as tall as he looks against Ruiz. Absolute beast.

Still, the fight will probably go the same way, because AJ doesn't seem to understand that the clinch is part of a tall fighters key tools.

He is 6ft according to https://www.celebheights.com/s/Andy-Ruiz-Jr-51924.html..
But, AJ is not only the tall boxer in the heaviweight division, there are also taller which are popular,

Tyson Fury 6′ 9″

Deontay Wilder 6′ 7″...

When these two fought, Fury was smart to use his  advantage to box Wilder and hopefully AJ would do the same to Ruiz as he has a clear advantage.

And if Ruiz will once again prevail over Joshua come December 8 and Fury will beat Wilder early next year, there will be an interesting battle between the 6' 9" giant and the ~6' Ruiz. That is going to be one amazing fight. LOL.

DarkDays is right that Joshua has to learn to clinch. That is one hell of an effective strategy especially in the heavyweight division, not just for taller fighters. Call it boring and cowardly but when the situation calls for it, you better clinch rather than just play the role of a punching bag. Joshua will have to jab, straight, clinch to the huggable panda to avoid his counter punches.  Grin
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December 04, 2019, 06:32:42 PM
People still treat him as an underdog after those brutal punch that left Joshua exposed as a coward who gives up all his title because he cannot keep up with those heavy and quick punches, let's see now if he has a solution to those heavy and quick punch
Have you seen this fight? no, Joshua didn't gave up, it was the ref who stop the fight .

You can see one of the highlights here  Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Jr. Full Fight Highlights HD

These fighters are really tall,.. 6"2 vs 6"6.  Grin

Lol, there's no chance Andy Ruiz is 6'2. I was at one of the MSG press conferences for the first fight, he's probably around 5'11 at best.

I'm 6'1 and I definitely had a couple inches at LEAST on Ruiz. AJ is an absolute monster though, definitely just as tall as he looks against Ruiz. Absolute beast.

Still, the fight will probably go the same way, because AJ doesn't seem to understand that the clinch is part of a tall fighters key tools.

He is 6ft according to https://www.celebheights.com/s/Andy-Ruiz-Jr-51924.html..
But, AJ is not only the tall boxer in the heaviweight division, there are also taller which are popular,

Tyson Fury 6′ 9″

Deontay Wilder 6′ 7″...

When these two fought, Fury was smart to use his  advantage to box Wilder and hopefully AJ would do the same to Ruiz as he has a clear advantage.
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December 04, 2019, 06:19:37 PM
People still treat him as an underdog after those brutal punch that left Joshua exposed as a coward who gives up all his title because he cannot keep up with those heavy and quick punches, let's see now if he has a solution to those heavy and quick punch
Have you seen this fight? no, Joshua didn't gave up, it was the ref who stop the fight .

You can see one of the highlights here  Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Jr. Full Fight Highlights HD

These fighters are really tall,.. 6"2 vs 6"6.  Grin

Lol, there's no chance Andy Ruiz is 6'2. I was at one of the MSG press conferences for the first fight, he's probably around 5'11 at best.

I'm 6'1 and I definitely had a couple inches at LEAST on Ruiz. AJ is an absolute monster though, definitely just as tall as he looks against Ruiz. Absolute beast.

Still, the fight will probably go the same way, because AJ doesn't seem to understand that the clinch is part of a tall fighters key tools.
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December 04, 2019, 06:07:10 PM
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AJ by decision @5.60, that's my bet. I'm also thinking that Joshua will just use his jab in this fight to win, which in the first fight is effective and might soften Ruiz in the later rounds. This might be a boring fight as i see Joshua will not slug it out with Ruiz. Jab, jab and clinch if Ruiz would go inside, that would be the game plan of AJ.

Where did you find these odds? On Bet365 is @ 4.33. Or cryptobookies?

I find that odds on Sportsbet as that is the online sports bookies that i used  Smiley.

Nevertheless, it might not go so far as AJ has not better information on the opponent style.

What do you mean "AJ has not better information on the opponent style"? This is a rematch and everything is on the table for both of the fighters. If you follow AJ on his training, he is slimmer now than the first fight for him to be quicker while Ruiz has put on more muscles as part of the adjustments for this rematch.
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December 04, 2019, 04:12:50 PM
If you bet on AJ to win the fight whether through decision or KO, you will only get 1.44 odds, I think that's too cheap.

Maybe you'll consider betting on AJ to win via decision @ 5.40 because he might not be too confident in this fight trying to knock out the champ, maybe he will just use his length and consistently score throughout the 12 rounds.

AJ by decision @5.60, that's my bet. I'm also thinking that Joshua will just use his jab in this fight to win, which in the first fight is effective and might soften Ruiz in the later rounds. This might be a boring fight as i see Joshua will not slug it out with Ruiz. Jab, jab and clinch if Ruiz would go inside, that would be the game plan of AJ.

Where did you find these odds? On Bet365 is @ 4.33. Or cryptobookies?
Nevertheless, it might not go so far as AJ has not better information on the opponent style.
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December 04, 2019, 04:02:53 PM
People still treat him as an underdog after those brutal punch that left Joshua exposed as a coward who gives up all his title because he cannot keep up with those heavy and quick punches, let's see now if he has a solution to those heavy and quick punch
Have you seen this fight? no, Joshua didn't gave up, it was the ref who stop the fight .

You can see one of the highlights here  Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Jr. Full Fight Highlights HD

These fighters are really tall,.. 6"2 vs 6"6.  Grin
@fortunecrypto, is not about what people think because the boxing federation/promoter have the final say and the reward they are going to pay to each fighter for the upcoming fight usually determine who the underdog will be. If you check the reward (fund) which will bevoay to Anthony is huge than Ruiz and this mean the promoters still believe Ruiz is an underdog despite his winning in their first fight.
@Finestream, was right but the ref have to stop the fight whenever they see that the opponent health/fitness can't go on with the fight.
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December 04, 2019, 09:06:10 AM
People still treat him as an underdog after those brutal punch that left Joshua exposed as a coward who gives up all his title because he cannot keep up with those heavy and quick punches, let's see now if he has a solution to those heavy and quick punch
Have you seen this fight? no, Joshua didn't gave up, it was the ref who stop the fight .

You can see one of the highlights here  Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Jr. Full Fight Highlights HD

These fighters are really tall,.. 6"2 vs 6"6.  Grin
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December 04, 2019, 08:55:43 AM
Really looking forward to this, I’m expecting AJ to win quite comfortably. He looks a lot slimmer, he’s clearly lost weight in an attempt to be quicker I guess.

Assuming that he will use his height and reach advantage over Ruiz, he can pull off this one. He need also to be quicker in this match, that may be the reason why he is slimmer than before and avoid in-brawl early in the fight. That crispy jab must be the weapon of choice for AJ, effective and can file points for him.

Can't wait to see this fight and see how AJ will deal with Ruiz. Career defining fight for both of them.

Career defining for Ruiz and a chance for redemption for Joshua, the pressure is so high on Joshua now, because he must prove to critic that he is not a weak champion, I seldom saw a champion giving a fight and this is 4 title that he gave up, champions will fight to the death just to retain the title, only a knock out can take that away, but we have not seen that on Joshua. 
Definitely because if Ruiz loss in this fight, expect that this will become a trilogy and still the pressure is on Joshua as he is always the favorites in this fight. They are really hyping this one and I feel that people starting to believe that Ruiz can beat AJ for the 2nd time around.

The odds of Ruiz is stable though he is a clear underdog but that's the right odds, can't wait for this one, really.

People still treat him as an underdog after those brutal punch that left Joshua exposed as a coward who gives up all his title because he cannot keep up with those heavy and quick punches, let's see now if he has a solution to those heavy and quick punch
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December 04, 2019, 07:56:44 AM
Really looking forward to this, I’m expecting AJ to win quite comfortably. He looks a lot slimmer, he’s clearly lost weight in an attempt to be quicker I guess.

Assuming that he will use his height and reach advantage over Ruiz, he can pull off this one. He need also to be quicker in this match, that may be the reason why he is slimmer than before and avoid in-brawl early in the fight. That crispy jab must be the weapon of choice for AJ, effective and can file points for him.

Can't wait to see this fight and see how AJ will deal with Ruiz. Career defining fight for both of them.

Career defining for Ruiz and a chance for redemption for Joshua, the pressure is so high on Joshua now, because he must prove to critic that he is not a weak champion, I seldom saw a champion giving a fight and this is 4 title that he gave up, champions will fight to the death just to retain the title, only a knock out can take that away, but we have not seen that on Joshua. 
Definitely because if Ruiz loss in this fight, expect that this will become a trilogy and still the pressure is on Joshua as he is always the favorites in this fight. They are really hyping this one and I feel that people starting to believe that Ruiz can beat AJ for the 2nd time around.

The odds of Ruiz is stable though he is a clear underdog but that's the right odds, can't wait for this one, really.
For those people who eye for AJ before their 1st match for sure would really have that kind of view that ruiz win was a fluke and so sure that on the rematch
he would able to beat up ruiz and claim back on whats for him. Possible trilogy? Yes, it could happen yet we know if the said fight would tie up 1-1 and if this would
continue to be hyped up then for sure it would proceed to the 3rd match up to prove out anything.We know that boxing is business and the more it is being hyped the more
money it could generate. lol

You said it right, hopefully boxers will not allow themselves to rig the game and they will give the best they can.
Most of rigging happens is when it reach to the score card and corrupt judges would always side those boxers that has a great future potential and luckily that first fight did not end up to the score card and I am afraid if it will end to score card in this rematch, maybe AJ would win.

I have a feeling that Joshua already felt that Ruiz has the power and he might came up smarter in this rematch, if he will survive in 12 rounds, the odds of winning is on him, and trilogy will certainly bring another good money for both.
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