Topic: [ANN] AEON [2019-09-27: Upgrade to version 0.13.0.0 ASAP HF@1146200 Oct 25] - page 103. (Read 625666 times)

Very cool they released the code. Was getting skeptical. Looking through it a bit now with my untrained eyes, but seems straightforward and on the up-and-up.

@Mynero. Do not worry about what he is saying. He is just trying to convince is that running a nodes in mobile devices is not a good idea. But it really is if the blockchain's is size is maintainable enough and the node does not consume too much resources. Mobile devices might give a coin more nodes that are online at all times more possible.

Most of what you are describing in this scenario happens on the PC, not on the phone. Finding an email address on the phone? I'm sure that's possible - but I am also pretty sure hackers prefer to hack into websites and systems that have thousands or millions of email addresses, instead of hacking into just one phone for one email address. And a single virus that wipes both the PC and disables a cell phone? Never heard of that.

Yeah I had very similar thoughts, I tried mining both and in terms of pure profit its about the same with my current hardware maybe even a bit more with AEON. Buts its also nice to be getting couple of coins a day instead of just 0.1 Monero every few days. I know AEON only has one developer at the moment but I still have hope it will keep improving

I generally find Aeon more profitable to mine, though it depends somewhat on the hardware. If you want to invest in Monero long-term, then better buy it directly.

Monero is currently favoured in botnets, as it's a fairly mainstream coin where CPU mining remains viable. Botnet operators don't have to worry about electric bills, so exact profitability is not an issue, but it drives the network difficulty needlessly higher.

As a hobbyist, I prefer dealing with lesser known emerging coins. Besides other interesting possibilities, it is easier to gather a significant chunk of the coin, which may turn out very profitable in the future. This is also quite a practical issue for mining; with the high difficulty of Monero, it takes a while to accumulate the minimum payout of typical pools.

I mine both 50/50.

What do you guys think about mining AEON vs Monero? what do you prefer?

Hi guys, any news from Smooth?
How's new version testing is going?

I retract my word accusing the Sumo GUI miner of being a scam, since they finally released the source code:

What is holding back the hackers from doing that today? Almost all the regular people not into cryptocoins are already doing financial matter and their banking needs on their mobile devices. There are bitcoiners who have wallet apps installed. There is Apple Pay, Google Pay and others. Do we see hackers hacking the billions of smartphones containing banking details? Where?

@erok:

Awesome.

The librem 5 is happening. Someone will do something similar at least. Just a matter of time. The question will have to be from where was it manufactured and what warehouses it hits in shipping that will determine it's real security.

But if you aren't on an air gapped rasp pi or a trezor or paper wallet for your main stash, you are running a risk of a keylogger/capture on any device. It doesn't matter if it is a phone or not.

IMO if there is one platform that big corporations and the general consumer throw money at for security, it will be the mobile platforms. I believe a lightweight and secure version of monero, capable of running on devices like a phone, refrigerator, or your car could be something useful.

Not sure people think about the weight of a blockchain anymore and how it might work in an iot world. This is why I like aeon.

Things might change with the privacy-focused Librem 5 smartphone, at least if they can get it crowdfunded by late next month.

@bbc.reporter:

Please. Trolling? Get a grip. This is called relevant discussion. I'm no Aeon convert or any kind of "coin convert." Not "blinded by the possibilities."

Here's a blog I wrote awhile back about Aeon, that was farmed out to toughnickel.com: https://toughnickel.com/personal-finance/The-Crypto-Papers-Rebirth-of-AEON

I understand that the "main" blockchain itself is secure, even on a smart phone -- even if slimmed down (pruned) as Smooth indicates. My concern about any coin info on a smart phone is that a smart phone is essentially dumb and hack-able. Again, not the blockchain. You don't bank or pay bills on your smart phone, do you?

If I can hack your phone, install a keylogger, screen reader, virus, clone your phone -- and you only have the blockchain and do not mine to an address -- what do I know? I know that you probably have an Aeon wallet somewhere. Maybe on your PC. Maybe you don't use a VPN or jump to a TOR hidden website -- where you store your coins. Maybe you use Google Authenticator on your smart phone. Maybe you have an account on Bittrex with all kinds of coins. Maybe I'll find your email address on your cell phone. Maybe I'll send you a notification from bitcointalk.org (make it look identical), but when you click the link (you don't do you), I'll drop a keylogger and a few other goodies on your PC.  Now I go and find your wallet(s), open it, empty it and just for giggles, activate a virus that wipes your PC and disables your cell phone. In the mean time, while your dealing with that, I'll comb your keylogger history looking for passwords, find all the other exchanges where you trade, open your accounts and bleed them dry.

Hackers gather bread crumbs. Putting anything financial on a smart phone is dumb -- until the tech is better. But this is not my opinion. Many techies, computer nerds and black hatters say the same thing.

But you can chance it. Go ahead -- advertise that you love Aeon. Entice that hackers who do this stuff just for the challenge of it. They've come my way more than once when I bad mouthed Bytecoin and Iota. I suspect those guys from India, but it could have been anyone.

How? When Aeon's code is complete there would be no way to connect a transaction with an address unless you give them the view key.

Also how can snoopers make a blockchain insecure? The bitcoin blockchain's transactions are there for everyone to see but it has not made it less secure.

I did not quote the rest of your post because now I am starting to think you are trolling.

The current network difficulty is in the order of 1G, so the time for the hash rate of 15H/s to find a block would be easily multiple years...

molecularman: Your hash rate seems absurdly low, especially when considering the fact that your laptop could run aeond and fully sync the blockchain without problems. I'd recommend using one of those popular mining software (instead of aeond) for pool mining:

• https://github.com/shyba/aeon-stak-cpu
• https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig  <- my recent favorite

For a list of mining pools, go to http://aeonpools.net/

I disagree. With a proper environment (e.g. hard floor & good ventilation), I believe CPU mining AEON on laptops is quite safe and feasible. I mine with a mid-2012 MacBook Air with 2GHz Core i7 which pulls out 410H/s at maximum using XMRig (4 threads, huge pages enabled).

@bbc.reporter:

Smooth can tell you better than I, but smart phones are still dumb computers.

One can secure Aeon nodes on a PC far better than a phone, currently -- even on a Windows machine.

A node on a smart phone helps secure the network, but also makes it easy for the snoopers to see what coins you might have stashed elsewhere.

What also bothers me about pruned blockchains or a thin client Aeon, is the 51% attack using toasters, refrigerators and my smart thermostat.

Is smaller better?

Has or will the new and improved thin-Aeon have special protections against an army of Chinese dark-brew coffee makers?

How would running a node in an insecure smart phone affect the Aeon network as a whole? I reckon computers running a Windows operating system might also be just as full of security holes or more.

Cryptocoin protocols are decentralized. If one node fails there are many more working to support and run the network.

I wouldn't recommend mining on a laptop, they usually struggle with heat even when not mining. Unless you have a recent i7 in your laptop I don't think it's worth the risk of extra heat and stress on the system.