[ANN] AEON [2019-09-27: Upgrade to version 0.13.0.0 ASAP HF@1146200 Oct 25] - page 86.

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Quote from: jbmustaq on October 19, 2017, 04:47:46 PM

Anybody can provide a detail about solomining in Windows 7

There are two options:

Use the reference CPU miner implemented in aeond.exe (type "start_mining ")
Use proxy stratum on top of aeond.exe: https://github.com/sammy007/monero-stratum/tree/aeon

The first option is simple and easy, but cannot benefit from massive performance improvements offered by dedicated CPU/GPU miners (e.g. XMRig, Stak-CPU/AMD/NVIDIA, ccminer). The second option is highly recommended (what I do), but I'm not sure if you can easily build aeon-stratum for Windows, because currently Aeon is made to build on Visual Studio instead of MSYS as in Monero. If you have OSX or Linux computer somewhere, you could run the pool there and let it connect to the daemon running on that same computer, or on your Windows 7 computer. Another option is to set up a Linux virtual machine on your Windows 7 computer and run the pool inside the VM which connects to your host Windows 7.

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Anybody can provide a detail about solomining in Windows 7

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I almost earned 3 whole aeon coins mining less than 36 hours, but it was likely 2 months ago , now the minimum is 1000 h/s to see something appear in the wallet.

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thehihoguy thanks for help

Quote from: teknohog on October 19, 2017, 06:17:36 AM

With my i5-7300HQ, the default of 3 threads at 4 cores is faster. Besides the cache size effect, in this case there's also Turbo Boost, which allows higher clockspeeds when fewer cores are loaded. So you get more speedup than simply from the cache size.

Of course, the situation can be complicated by other programs running on the same machine. But in most practical cases, the other programs only take short bursts of CPU time, so long-term hashrates should not be affected.

Yep. It is fantastic. I increased my rate two times for CPU.
After all - I'm have this one:
i5-7500 - 500-550H/s (+100%)
G4400 - 230-250H/s (+100%)
i3 2120 - 95-100H/s (+0%)
1050ti - 660H/s (+5%)

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Quote from: teknohog on October 19, 2017, 06:17:36 AM

I see all these hints on CPU mining threads, and I wonder if people look at their actual hashrates or simply trust the theory. Because with some CPUs, using 1 thread per CPU core is faster than the default. I see it with AMD FX-8320E and A4-5000 (using xmrig, but the effect is the same with other miners).

The A4-5000 in particular is interesting, as it only has 2 MB of L2 cache and no L3. I guess the execution units are so slow as to negate any cache speedups.

With my i5-7300HQ, the default of 3 threads at 4 cores is faster. Besides the cache size effect, in this case there's also Turbo Boost, which allows higher clockspeeds when fewer cores are loaded. So you get more speedup than simply from the cache size.

Of course, the situation can be complicated by other programs running on the same machine. But in most practical cases, the other programs only take short bursts of CPU time, so long-term hashrates should not be affected.

In the end, you have to try out several settings for your setup to find the perfect configuration. Theres just so many things, that can impact the hashrate (driver, use of machine during mining, software, cpu features,etc).

With aeon-stak-cpu for example, we found out that with certain CPU's you have better results by addressing only the physical core threads (threads 0,2,4,6,8). while for other cpus like mine, i had better results by just addressing every possible thread...

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I see all these hints on CPU mining threads, and I wonder if people look at their actual hashrates or simply trust the theory. Because with some CPUs, using 1 thread per CPU core is faster than the default. I see it with AMD FX-8320E and A4-5000 (using xmrig, but the effect is the same with other miners).

The A4-5000 in particular is interesting, as it only has 2 MB of L2 cache and no L3. I guess the execution units are so slow as to negate any cache speedups.

With my i5-7300HQ, the default of 3 threads at 4 cores is faster. Besides the cache size effect, in this case there's also Turbo Boost, which allows higher clockspeeds when fewer cores are loaded. So you get more speedup than simply from the cache size.

Of course, the situation can be complicated by other programs running on the same machine. But in most practical cases, the other programs only take short bursts of CPU time, so long-term hashrates should not be affected.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 19, 2017, 02:10:02 AM

Quote from: thehihoguy on October 17, 2017, 01:51:33 AM

Would be great if you support smaller pools for decentralizing the network

I've been mining at aeon.rupool.tk until something wrong happened, the pool was frozen for days, then it was reset.
I think I've lost some money with that reset so until I find another good low diff pool I mine another coin that looks profitable.
Quite shame, since I like AEON. However, I'm done with "smaller pools".

Quote from: thehihoguy on October 17, 2017, 01:51:33 AM

aeonpools.net

Theres a list of pools:)

Thanks for the list, it'll make my my research quicker, maybe I get back to AEON sooner than I first thought.

You could join the "older" smaller pools. Those are probably more stable. We had many new pools and pool owner recently, which is good for adoption, but also brings inexperienced pool owners in.

https://aeonpool.xyz/
https://aeonpool.dreamitsystems.com/
http://serenity.hiddenjadestone.com/
https://aeon.sumominer.com/
Not a full list, just what comes in my mind right now

I hope you wont turn your shoulder away from mining AEON just because of one or two bad experiences:)

Or if you have enough hashrate, you could solomine and maximize your part in decentralization, see previous posts

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Quote from: korm on October 19, 2017, 02:30:40 AM

Quote from: thehihoguy on October 19, 2017, 02:09:09 AM

What miner are you using for CPU and how many threads? Seems low, are you using CPUMiner Multi? My recent tests showed me that you can get double the hashrate with xmrig and aeon-stak-cpu

I'm nub, so in windows 10 - minergate soft for CPU (4 threads, dont use this PC for another work)
& aeon-stak-nvidia for GPU
I was glad that I could run the mining on the video card. Therefore, I do not remember where I downloaded it. I tried a lot of different software. Only one works.

Please dont use minergate. Its related to scammers and they steal about 30% of your hashrate according to community members.

If you feel comfortable with solomining and waiting for rewards up to a week or two, then follow stoffus advice. It would help to decentralize AEON.

If you prefer more frequent payouts, you can use this guide for setting up a pool mining software other than minergate:

https://www.hiddenjadestone.com/2017/10/19/guide/cpu-pool-mining-windows-xmrig/

Try it out and if you have questions feel free to ask.

In terms of reward, solomining and poolmining will give you the same on average over long time. But as stoffu mentioned, you have the advantage of saving yourself the pool fee if you mine solo.

For a list of pools available, check out www.aeonpools.net
Please dont use the biggest pools though and rather a smaller pool to help decentralize.

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People, let's not forget that there's a practical and efficient solution for solo mining using the stratum proxy:
https://github.com/sammy007/monero-stratum/tree/aeon

You can use any dedicated CPU/GPU miners like in pool mining; the only difference is that you run your own node (which is good for decentralization) and you get the entire block reward to your wallet. This should be logically the most cost-effective way of mining since there's no pool fee to pay (you're your own pool).

I've set up CPU & GPU miners on my home computers which generate around 4kH/s in total, and I find a block every week or two weeks. This may sound like too infrequent for many people, but once you get used to it and feel confident that you'll be eventually rewarded at the predicted rate over the long run, it's not bad at all (the variance can be arbitrarily large, though).

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Quote from: thehihoguy on October 19, 2017, 02:09:09 AM

What miner are you using for CPU and how many threads? Seems low, are you using CPUMiner Multi? My recent tests showed me that you can get double the hashrate with xmrig and aeon-stak-cpu

I'm nub, so in windows 10 - minergate soft for CPU (4 threads, dont use this PC for another work)
& aeon-stak-nvidia for GPU
I was glad that I could run the mining on the video card. Therefore, I do not remember where I downloaded it. I tried a lot of different software. Only one works.

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Quote from: thehihoguy on October 17, 2017, 01:51:33 AM

Would be great if you support smaller pools for decentralizing the network

I've been mining at aeon.rupool.tk until something wrong happened, the pool was frozen for days, then it was reset.
I think I've lost some money with that reset so until I find another good low diff pool I mine another coin that looks profitable.
Quite shame, since I like AEON. However, I'm done with "smaller pools".

Quote from: thehihoguy on October 17, 2017, 01:51:33 AM

aeonpools.net

Theres a list of pools:)

Thanks for the list, it'll make my my research quicker, maybe I get back to AEON sooner than I first thought.

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Quote from: korm on October 19, 2017, 01:59:19 AM

Is this good enough?
I5 7500 = 200H/s
1050ti 4GB = 600H/s

What miner are you using for CPU and how many threads? Seems low, are you using CPUMiner Multi? My recent tests showed me that you can get double the hashrate with xmrig and aeon-stak-cpu

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Wanna add to the two previous answers:

Most important for CPU mining is the L3 cache of a CPU. You can find that information by googling your CPU.

Lets say you have 4 core CPU with 8 threads but only 4 MB L3 cache, then you should have max 4 threads set for mining.

Aeon uses a 1mb scratchpad.

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Is this good enough?
I5 7500 = 200H/s
1050ti 4GB = 600H/s

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If you use aeon stak cpu to mine the readme will tell you the optimal number of threads to use based on the cache size of your CPU. It also has information on how to enabled locked pages (Win 10 Pro) for an extra ~15-20% boost.

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When mining with CPU, it is best tuning it at your CPU Total Threads Number -1 (if you're using the computer) or at your max if you're gonna let it mine, without using it.
example 4Core *2 Threads per Core = 8 Threads total

In case you want to mine with both CPU and GPU on the same setup, it's best using CPU Cores number -1, or else you'll experience frequent miner crashes.

I have the best personal experience using these:
RX580 AORUS 8GB ~1600H/s (moded ROM - overclocked)
RX470 STRIX 4GB ~1300H/s (Rx570 ROM - overclocked)
RxVega64 is actually too expensive for the hashrate it achieves

Quote from: earlybirdly on October 18, 2017, 01:40:18 PM

Very helpful answers. Thank you all very much.

My machine crashed already two times during mining with 12 and 10 threads. I guess I have to go down to 8 threads.
Maybe with the suggest aeon-stak-cpu I will be able to mine with more threads.

As soon as my setup is ready to go, I think about joining a smaller pool.
Ad as soon ASUS finally releases the new Custom Design RX Vega 64 I will have a lot more hash power.
Would you recommend a other graphics card than the new AMD Vega 64?

I didn't know that the MacBook is able to mine as well and I will set up this system up after my Desktop machine.

one more thing: I have a Linux and a Windows system on my same machine. I s there a difference in hash rate between the two?
I read somewhere with Linux mining is better, more stable? better hash rate?

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Very helpful answers. Thank you all very much.

My machine crashed already two times during mining with 12 and 10 threads. I guess I have to go down to 8 threads.
Maybe with the suggest aeon-stak-cpu I will be able to mine with more threads.

As soon as my setup is ready to go, I think about joining a smaller pool.
Ad as soon ASUS finally releases the new Custom Design RX Vega 64 I will have a lot more hash power.
Would you recommend a other graphics card than the new AMD Vega 64?

I didn't know that the MacBook is able to mine as well and I will set up this system up after my Desktop machine.

one more thing: I have a Linux and a Windows system on my same machine. I s there a difference in hash rate between the two?
I read somewhere with Linux mining is better, more stable? better hash rate?

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I have great faith in the future development of AEON. Things are looking bright : )

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Quote from: Nic0$lud on October 18, 2017, 02:47:21 AM

Hi,
for better results, you can try out aeon-stak-cpu, you can download binaries from here:
https://github.com/shyba/aeon-stak-cpu/releases

General suggestion by the devs is not using the main pool (aeon-pool.com) but smaller ones.
You can find a list of available pools here:
http://aeonpools.net

Since our pool is not listed in aeonpools.net for some reason, I give you our URL as well:
https://aeonpool.poolele.com

Quote from: earlybirdly on October 18, 2017, 02:25:17 AM

How long does it take to earn some AEON with a hashrate of 900 h/s? I have been mining but no reward yet.
Do you recommend to join https://aeon-pool.com/?

I am solo mining on a Intel Core i7 5280K with simplewallet and aeond.

Not sure if ihave setup thing s right, when minig is startet from the wallet, the reward will automaticly go to my wallet?

Do you recommend a other way of mining?

Correct, a dedicated CPU miner is generally much more efficient than the default miner included in aeond. Besides Stak-CPU, XMRig is also highly recommended: https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig

On my MacBook Pro 2016 with 2.9GHz Core i7, XMRig generates near 1000 H/s (with huge pages enabled) while aeond generates only around 500 H/s, both with 8 threads.

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Hi,
for better results, you can try out aeon-stak-cpu, you can download binaries from here:
https://github.com/shyba/aeon-stak-cpu/releases

General suggestion by the devs is not using the main pool (aeon-pool.com) but smaller ones.
You can find a list of available pools here:
http://aeonpools.net

Since our pool is not listed in aeonpools.net for some reason, I give you our URL as well:
https://aeonpool.poolele.com

Quote from: earlybirdly on October 18, 2017, 02:25:17 AM

How long does it take to earn some AEON with a hashrate of 900 h/s? I have been mining but no reward yet.
Do you recommend to join https://aeon-pool.com/?

I am solo mining on a Intel Core i7 5280K with simplewallet and aeond.

Not sure if ihave setup thing s right, when minig is startet from the wallet, the reward will automaticly go to my wallet?

Do you recommend a other way of mining?

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