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March 27, 2014, 03:47:42 PM
They are not dead. x11, script-Jane, Script -N etc are the future for several other reasons

Milliions, Billions of ASIC's. You cant be serious.  You can barely get your usable bitcoins ASIC's delivered in 12-16 weeks or ordering and Script ASIC's are from unreliable Chinese factories with long delivery times for qty orders over 5 units or so. Many delivered do not work properly kind of like riser cables. I should advise you that I have been ordering many products 'directly' from CHina for over 6 years [ thats like a 60yrs in chinese wholesaling time Smiley ]

btw GPU sales are still very brisk on EBAY which in economic market terms is still the big dog in establishing where the damand and supply lines intersect.

Even with some of the above, I am fine with X11 and I believe the Dev's should switch as soon as possible.

Then go mine an x11 coin... (Seems like one a week now, and soon one a day will appear. If it works for you, then join that party.)

Not all ASIC's are from China, most ship in days and arrive in a week. Sounds like you just have crappy China distributors. Oh, and China to China shipping only takes a week. There are now over 20 decent farms, and seven major ones, with several thousands of ASIC's in them.

Ebay is not a reliable source of anything. As for your ignorance to the GPU's manufactured, and GPU sales, and those scrypts being the "future". Well, I'll just let that future speak for itself. At the moment, it is saying "Yea right". They are all experimental scrypts, which still favor NEW GPU's. So that defeats the whole purpose of the fight. Those promoting it are promoting their own death. They are the ones with old-hardware farms that will just be beat-out by new hardware-farms. The only reason it looks like they are remotely winning, is because NO ONE IS BUILDING NEW HARDWARE FARMS. (How ironic... Invent a stupid scrypt, announce it keeps away snakes, they look around, don't see snakes. Then everyone realizes there are no snakes in Ireland.)

So you degrade the card to do nothing, increase the number for hashes, then say... Look, it is running cooler. Yea, because it is doing less. (While the devs have the unhindered programs that actually run 100% on the machines in there farms, while they cash-out on you, running at 80%.)

Work = Power... if it pulls less power, it is doing less. Period. Doesn't matter what number you fictitiously create to measure it. In the end, it still pulls more power than any ASIC, and THAT is what you are paying for every month. That is why they will die as mining tools in the future. So essentially turning them into a half-assed ASIC is actually defeating the purpose. It costs less to produce that hash, so you sell for less. You have saved nothing. You could have sold that card and made more to buy a real ASIC, that actually saves you money to operate.

But I digress.

You obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You buy crap from China in bulk.

The KGW is formulated backwards, and DGW is equally as screwed-up. They both favor hoppers and large-hashing-miners, while screwing the steady miners. That is why they keep pushing it, because THEY HAVE FARMS that take advantage of those exploits. Even though having KGW and DGW are better than not having it at all. (It just makes them more efficient at the rape.) Not to mention, each set of "lucky hashes", makes the coin think the hash-rate just shot up, so it adjusts up and stays up when it should not be up in the first place.

What the coin is made of, in a few months, will not even matter, unless it keeps miners on it steady. Once there is a market, the market will be the biggest determining factor of growth, unless the miners all leave. If they leave then there becomes an abundance of coins in fewer miners hands, and they can easily cash-out for gross gains. If they get raped by a farm, then only that one person can cash-out for gross gains, against us and the market, keeping miners off the coin.

The coin needs to be distributed across as many hands as possible, as borderline as possible, with a greater volume being held for futures. While the new coins are not spread so thin, that they can not compete with the volume of held coins, and all become losses. That is why the super-halving by difficulty makes it impossible to keep-up, with the majority already being held in the future. (Now throw halving on top of that, and reward manipulation that only favors those who held for the future, and you get sudden death.)

Technically, the rewards should start small, and get larger with more miners, but not so large that the more miners have the same as those few who mined early. Also not so small that they could never actually make a gain on a sale, without grossly over-rewarding those who raped the coin in the early days.

Unfortunately, there are not many hands here, or a decent supportive market, due to the premine and unproven statements from anonymous strangers who intended to manipulate MINERS earnings, as well as the MARKETS earnings. We already have a mining manipulator, it is called difficulty adjustments and halving. We already have market manipulators, they are called people and bots. What we don't have a lot of, at the moment, is trust. That is the only thing that builds a market. Otherwise you just another coin, created by anyone, with any purpose and no direction we can actually follow. People hide for a reason. The intentions are becoming clearer as assumptions rise, since that is all anyone has, and all that is offered.

It's this simple... Do what is needed, or the coin dies. Don't do what is actually needed, and it dies faster. Do what you want, and you can swim in your coins alone, all day long.

So far, they have chosen to "Do what is needed."...

I am satisfied with that. It already drove-off most of those who never had any intentions of sticking around past the first pump. We can all move forward now. That has come and gone. Would you rather it happened a month from now, and left you stuck with more that could not be sold. At the moment, the diff is low enough that you can earn back any losses in a few days. (Well, unless another hired farm is pointed at the coin, blasting the diff up into oblivion again, which will boot all the miners back off the coin. Unless our steady volume is higher than the farms volume.)
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March 27, 2014, 02:32:29 PM
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March 27, 2014, 10:24:38 AM

It's a shame to see that these guys just imploded before our very eyes. I doubt highly that they can get their act together (based on their idiocy up to this point -- including their last "update"), but as a coin holder, I sure hope they do. 

I was lucky, I saw the dev's "atom bomb" within minutes of it being posted and had dumped within 30 seconds, I got out with a 0.5 BTC loss which I recouped within 24 hrs on black and dark.

A few saw what was coming within 48-72 hrs of launch (but didn't get out, unfortunately), even predicting with some accuracy the exhaustion of the BTC pool.

The devs clearly don't have the faintest clue about PR (despite their claims of having media experts on hand) which is why no effort was expended on marketing and why they didn't see the impact their update would have. A typical case of geeks needing to get out more.

This coin needs taking in hand, Alexander is not up to some aspects of a coin dev's job, and it now needs a public face since the coin cannot be trusted without one.

The media aspects of a coin launch are at least as important as the technicals and in this the devs failed horribly, they could have minimised the damage caused had they thought about their announcement for just five seconds, but instead they detonated it - madness.

I very much doubt I will buy any air again, I may mine a bit if it is profitable to do so.

The failure of this coin wasn't the fault of the miners, it was the fault of the devs. A worthwhile media presence would likely have prevented much dumping by miners enabling the BTC pool to be used as intended, which I was also under the impression was being financed by trading in other alts...................
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March 27, 2014, 08:50:38 AM

The complaint I had about AIR, was that they were manipulating AIR to manipulate AIR for gains. When they said they were going to be getting GAINS from trading OTHER COINS, to build the pool for AIR. However, it seems like they were just taking gains from AIR to put into AIR, which is an endless battle. Because you can't BUY all the old air, plus all the new air coming in, to manipulate it UP, by buying only SOME of the old AIR at the top.

Exactly ISAWHIM! That is precisely why I bought the coin to begin with. I thought that they were buying (and selling) other coins. What happened to that? I had no problem with them using the system on their own coin, but just not to help miners get out of the initial dumping. And, before anyone jumps on me, yes I publicly said this as it was happening, not just afterwards.

But, the main attraction to me was the potential profit of using other coins for a trading system to help the AIR coin. It seemed like a solid plan and I am unclear how it got derailed. They seemed to listen to the miners who professed "concern" every time the coin dipped in price. Any semi-logical deduction would realize that the miners just wanted out at a high price, but this seemed to escape the developers thought process.

And, of course, let's not give the impression that the devs are blameless here. They went along with the miners and encouraged this mindset that AIR would only go up (more or less). Meanwhile a coin that used a solid trading system on OTHER coins and utilized any profits toward the AIR coin (or whatever coin) would almost assuredly offer much larger upside potential. Of course, the volatility may be much greater in bursts, but medium term the possible benefits could be enormous.

It's a shame to see that these guys just imploded before our very eyes. I doubt highly that they can get their act together (based on their idiocy up to this point -- including their last "update"), but as a coin holder, I sure hope they do. 
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March 27, 2014, 08:11:03 AM
I didnt know Hirocoin & Darkcoin [x11's] are dead.  Roll Eyes

I didn't say they were dead. (Though, in time, they will be. I said GPU sales were shit, and decaying. Unless you count people buying old, soon to be dead, GPU's from ebay. There have been hundreds of millions of ASIC's made, and it will soon be billions now. Most in China, which is why China blew the market up. Only a few million GPU's, most still sitting on shelves or in warehouses.)

My reply was about "Hurry and save us from hoppers and dumpers, switch to x11 and DGW"... Which x11 or DGW does not do crap for. The coins that use it are being dumped, just like any other coin, and have all been pumped, just like any other coin. Hoppers left, and are leaving steady miners holding the bags and the overly-high diffs that reward little. When the diff drops, thus the reward has eventually settled-in, and the price is nice and high still, they mine for a few blocks until the diff rockets, cash-out, and leave again. (Only now they have other x11 coins to hop to. The more you make, the more they hop.)

They didn't hop before because the "tuning" for x11 is not the same for scrypt, and there are only a limited few who the x11 even works for. Thus, the decaying miners on those coins, as they spread the miner-base across, 2, 3, 4, 10, 100 new coins.

But anyways... Those coins too are being manipulated. All coins are.

The complaint I had about AIR, was that they were manipulating AIR to manipulate AIR for gains. When they said they were going to be getting GAINS from trading OTHER COINS, to build the pool for AIR. However, it seems like they were just taking gains from AIR to put into AIR, which is an endless battle. Because you can't BUY all the old air, plus all the new air coming in, to manipulate it UP, by buying only SOME of the old AIR at the top.

The only way to make it rise, is by adding NEW BTC to the BUYING list. Otherwise you just flat-line it, as the exchange takes fractions of your trade-supply. Until you have zero spread and can not trade up or down anymore. (Add that to the people who had no intention of investing, and have permanently removed BTC, and you get a flatline that levels down. THUS, you need marketing to have a MARKET to manipulate. There is no MARKET to manipulate yet. They were just manipulating US. We are not the market.)

I don't care if you are an economic genius... (Geniuses are not always right, or successful, or good at making money. Idiots can make money.) You need more than bots and formulas and your own house to play in, to make money. You have to step outside and work.

They have agreed to focus on what is needed next. Let them do that. Until then, let the market do what the market does. At the moment, like all the other markets that are not being artificially pumped, that thing being done is falling. (A result of impatient people selling themselves short, and new investors getting great deals to buy-in where they can't mine.)
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March 26, 2014, 10:07:16 PM
I didnt know Hirocoin & Darkcoin [x11's] are dead.  Roll Eyes
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March 26, 2014, 09:43:25 PM
Anyone managed to get in contact with the kids via email? Supply needs to be cut ASAP. Even without their useless market bot, the price will slowly go up if X11+DGW+CGA-style reward is implemented.

You are an idiot... It is NOT the existing miners dumping. x11 doesn't do shit! All x11 coins are getting dumped too... show me one coin "rising", that isn't a pump.

Go take your steam-engine technology and mine coal to power you shrinking market of GPU-miners. You want to take this coin down to CPU-only style coins? How well are those doing? Oh yea, they all pumped, dumped and died.

You know why LTC is still rising, because it is ASIC friendly. You know why BTC went up 10x again... Oh yea, because it was ASIC friendly. Why do you think everyone is dumping? To get more ASIC's.

Not sure if you noticed, but GPU sales are shit right now. They are over-priced, power-hungry, expensive to operate, and killing coins. Why do you think they mine and dump.. to pay bills. You know what x11 will be? 10,000 new clone-coins. Take your miners available now, and divide that by 10,000. How many does that leave mining each new coin? Oh yea, and they will hop too, and dump. Just like they are doing now to the x11 coins that have begun being cloned.

You want to keep the coins limited, then mine them, and buy more. The wales have all dumped, there is no-where for this coin to go, except up.

I offered to buy every single coin, even the entire premine. (Not at a price you would have liked, but I had it up for days.) I am still mining it.

You want out... take the loss and cash-out. The sooner you are out, the sooner the price goes up. You want it higher to cash out, screw you. Hold it like an investor. That was the purpose of the coin. Everyone treated it like a pump-n-dump, and if you are bitching, then you are one of those dumpers. I'll am sorry your plan was thwarted and you didn't get a chance to dump at 0.0020, or 0.0019, or 0.0018... 0.0003... If you are holding to invest, then you wouldn't care that it is lower, you would be happy, and buying more, like me.

If you were that hard-up for cash, like I was just recently, you take the loss. You want a pump and dump, then go trade any other coin. Why didn't you cash-out and get DRK? It's just flying up the charts! (That was irony, because it isn't, it is being pumped and dumped like the rest.)

When will you see a big return? When BTC and LTC rise in a big hike... That is the only time any of these coins have real returns. Until that happens, everyone is just swapping debt, playing with the same $1000 in every coin. Trading it up and down until someone cashes-out permanently, and then the price drops permanently, everyone then trading the same $500 up and down, until some of that is permanently removed.

You want x11, then you should be mining an x11 coin. Don't force that toxic shit down our throats.
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March 26, 2014, 06:19:09 PM
Am I the only one that noticed the bot is still running? Or atleast a bot. Doesn't have to be their bot. It's either that or someone with a severe case of ADD can't decide whether to sell one stack of coins or two stacks of coins 1 sat apart so he keeps making new orders.

Either way that damn thing needs to stop one upping my buy orders. I'm on to you Mr. bidding at 0.00999999
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March 26, 2014, 05:32:08 PM
Anyone managed to get in contact with the kids via email? Supply needs to be cut ASAP. Even without their useless market bot, the price will slowly go up if X11+DGW+CGA-style reward is implemented.

Air devs are pretty much the biggest flakes in altcoin history. And that is saying something.

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March 26, 2014, 05:14:58 PM
Anyone managed to get in contact with the kids via email? Supply needs to be cut ASAP. Even without their useless market bot, the price will slowly go up if X11+DGW+CGA-style reward is implemented.
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March 26, 2014, 03:05:29 PM

As the premine is not gone and still remains intact, this is not the end of the road.


The premine is not gone, because total buy orders are only 2.8 BTC on Poloniex...

As has been stated in previous posts, the premine hasn't been touched and still remains in the original addresses.

Correct me if I am wrong, but on blocks 1 & 5 - the full 500k have been moved.  Which doesn't necessarily mean they were sold... plus I don't think I've seen the volume at Poloniex to support that even 1 lot of the 500k had been moved sold.  So this is indeed a good sign.

We respect your individual privacy, however, if you wish to restore more of a backing behind this coin's concept I propose the following:
A great way to prove there was no ill-intentions would be to post your wallet address showing the premine coins in tact for all to see.

Choosing to ignore or not give this proof will serve as a potent answer to those of us who invested heavily. 


Plain and simple.

Blocks 1 to 5.

http://teamaircoin.org/explorer/

Looks to be pretty much intact.



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March 26, 2014, 02:40:51 PM
Price seem to be stabilizing around 0.00033-0.00045 for now. Higher prices would also invite hashmonsters back very quickly. Maybe price will drop some more as it's now more profitable to mine than it was one week ago when hasrate was over 1Gh/s.

Fun fact: I've mined Maxcoin a lot past two months and I just noticed that Maxcoin is almost exactly the same price/coins as Aircoin is right now. Maxcoin difficulty 57466 with around 16 coins at 500Mh/s per 24h versus Aircoin at difficulty 4.6 with around 16 coins at 1Mh/s per 24h. Keccak SHA3 500Mh/s = Scrypt 1Mh/s.
This site does it automatically:
http://whatmine.com
That was not the point of my post. However whatmine.com was new to me, thanks.
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March 26, 2014, 01:33:56 PM
Price seem to be stabilizing around 0.00033-0.00045 for now. Higher prices would also invite hashmonsters back very quickly. Maybe price will drop some more as it's now more profitable to mine than it was one week ago when hasrate was over 1Gh/s.

Fun fact: I've mined Maxcoin a lot past two months and I just noticed that Maxcoin is almost exactly the same price/coins as Aircoin is right now. Maxcoin difficulty 57466 with around 16 coins at 500Mh/s per 24h versus Aircoin at difficulty 4.6 with around 16 coins at 1Mh/s per 24h. Keccak SHA3 500Mh/s = Scrypt 1Mh/s.
This site does it automatically:
http://whatmine.com
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March 26, 2014, 06:50:31 AM
Hi,

I'm running the site http://www.crypto-coins-table.com.

I have listed your coin already. To provide the full information
for all users you can update the information here:

http://www.crypto-coins-table.com/index.php?refid=c1hwCUyjpw&var_action=update_coin&coin_id=AIR

regards

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March 25, 2014, 11:54:48 PM
Price seem to be stabilizing around 0.00033-0.00045 for now. Higher prices would also invite hashmonsters back very quickly. Maybe price will drop some more as it's now more profitable to mine than it was one week ago when hasrate was over 1Gh/s.

Fun fact: I've mined Maxcoin a lot past two months and I just noticed that Maxcoin is almost exactly the same price/coins as Aircoin is right now. Maxcoin difficulty 57466 with around 16 coins at 500Mh/s per 24h versus Aircoin at difficulty 4.6 with around 16 coins at 1Mh/s per 24h. Keccak SHA3 500Mh/s = Scrypt 1Mh/s.
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March 25, 2014, 11:12:13 PM
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March 25, 2014, 08:43:38 PM
When i was telling about aircoin drop,more than one week ago, most of you start to blame and invite me to stop post here, cause it's not true....aircoin will rise...bla bla bla.

NOW I'M HAPPY TO LOOK afer one week that my predictions were true.
i will hold some of my aircoin and see in future, byt till now aircon is a total failure.

And don't believe anymore in alt announcement like aircoin. Just be careful of your investment. IT'S YOUR MONEY.

Just look at that:
AIR COIN (STABLE AND RISING EXCHANGE RATE).

Today will come ou a new crypto call STANDARD COIN.

It's slogan is:
STANDARDCOIN(PERMANENTLY RISING RATE)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annstd-standardcoin-built-in-exchange-permanently-rising-rate-522874

mmmm....seems similar don't you?



Did you say much after this?:

"LOL!   I know. AIR is a long term coin. Just kidding!
Take it easy."

You know we can look back in this thread, right?
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March 25, 2014, 04:57:01 PM

As the premine is not gone and still remains intact, this is not the end of the road.


The premine is not gone, because total buy orders are only 2.8 BTC on Poloniex...
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March 25, 2014, 03:26:21 PM
I like this coin very much!!!!:)
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March 25, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Someone send an e-mail to these retards, since they now apparently only communicate via e-mail, and tell them to fork the coin to X11+DGW to limit mining and the huge dumping, otherwise this coin will NEVER recover.
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