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Topic: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe - page 4. (Read 250465 times)

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December 22, 2015, 02:48:35 AM
Even now, I am still tremendously impressed by the simplicity and functionality of the bitfury design. Id love to have some of the upcoming 16nm gear

Gotta say that is one nice clean simple layout. Was level shifting built into the ASIC's or are there components on the other side of the board?

Rich
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
December 21, 2015, 09:53:17 PM
I've got a couple OneString cards and an NF6 in the museum, but I haven't actually run any of them. Always liked the design though, and I'm looking forward to seeing the chainability of the new chip.
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
December 21, 2015, 09:33:43 PM
I quote air cooling stats because I have no rodent hindquarters to donate regarding immersion cooling. I want to play with these chips and I design for practical air cooling because that covers myself and all my target customers. I do not care at all what Bitfury builds for themselves or their millionaire buddies. That's my reason; can't speak for anyone else.


Indeed...and designing a power stage to deliver clean and effecient .3v power should be interesting haha, even at 5w were talking about near 20amps of current. The only way to achieve those efficiencies at that voltage level is with a chain design...otherwise your looking at less than 80% efficiency just at the buck at those voltages.

Bitfury has been doing chain/string design since 55nm (they didnt sell many that i know of, but they did buid H-cards withvirtually no components other than the ASIC chips)

The first version had issues with chips overheating when one or more other chips completed work and returned to 'idle' before the next clockcycle/nonce


Probably safe to say they fixed it with the 14chip version that used rev2 55nm chips (at 0.45w/gh):


Even now, I am still tremendously impressed by the simplicity and functionality of the bitfury design. Id love to have some of the upcoming 16nm gear
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 09:10:38 PM
I quote air cooling stats because I have no rodent hindquarters to donate regarding immersion cooling. I want to play with these chips and I design for practical air cooling because that covers myself and all my target customers. I do not care at all what Bitfury builds for themselves or their millionaire buddies. That's my reason; can't speak for anyone else.


Indeed...and designing a power stage to deliver clean and effecient .3v power should be interesting haha, even at 5w were talking about near 20amps of current. The only way to achieve those efficiencies at that voltage level is with a chain design...otherwise your looking at less than 80% efficiency just at the buck at those voltages.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
December 21, 2015, 06:19:29 PM
I quote air cooling stats because I have no rodent hindquarters to donate regarding immersion cooling. I want to play with these chips and I design for practical air cooling because that covers myself and all my target customers. I do not care at all what Bitfury builds for themselves or their millionaire buddies. That's my reason; can't speak for anyone else.
i do hope you get some to work with.

as always my 2 btc is always available to you if needed.
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 05:57:48 PM
Impressive work! Good job Bitfury!

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good job for who ? for sure not for us small miners ...

Good job for network security!
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 05:29:20 PM
Impressive work! Good job Bitfury!

*image removed*

good job for who ? for sure not for us small miners ...
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
December 21, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
I quote air cooling stats because I have no rodent hindquarters to donate regarding immersion cooling. I want to play with these chips and I design for practical air cooling because that covers myself and all my target customers. I do not care at all what Bitfury builds for themselves or their millionaire buddies. That's my reason; can't speak for anyone else.
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 03:29:38 PM
Impressive work! Good job Bitfury!

legendary
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dogiecoin.com
December 21, 2015, 02:48:40 PM
That's neighborhood of what I was thinking, yeah. 22W is pretty hot for air cooling unless it's probably at least a 10x10mm package, possibly double-side heatsinked? If that power range is right, it's very likely not footprint-compatible with the old chips.

I don't know why everyone keeps quoting "for air cooling", they'll design their systems to run with their ridiculous immersion cooling first and foremost. What is possible with air cooling is an afterthought and doesn't need to hit the same specs.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
December 21, 2015, 12:00:13 PM
That's neighborhood of what I was thinking, yeah. 22W is pretty hot for air cooling unless it's probably at least a 10x10mm package, possibly double-side heatsinked? If that power range is right, it's very likely not footprint-compatible with the old chips.
KNK
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December 21, 2015, 11:38:58 AM
Does it look like I'm reading it right?

Yes, You are right:
Code:
J/GH - 0.07 = 0.0011 * (GH - 55)

so for 140GH: J/GH = 0.07 + 0.0011 * (140-55) = 0.07 + 0.0011 * 85 = 0.07 + 0.0935 = 0.1635 and then 140 * 0.1635 = 22.89W
if the chip is at 0.055 J/GH it is still 20.79W
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December 21, 2015, 11:23:55 AM
I think that if there is live prototype and some clue of engineering samples ETA , they can share the technical  specs , pin out etc.
This will give me at least something to do during the coming holidays Smiley
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
December 21, 2015, 11:11:26 AM
Does it look like I'm reading it right? More information would be nice, with a graph or posted data points for the range, but until we get that it's kinda guesswork.
KNK
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December 21, 2015, 10:16:41 AM
My bad, sorry!
I have calculated 0.0011 slope for the power not for J/Gh
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
December 21, 2015, 09:29:35 AM
Your worst case scenario is probably at the wall with low grade ( 60% efficiency) PSU. 20W at the chip is close to 0.11J/GH too far from 0.07J/GH
The last time, the numbers provided where correct and this information was provided from real samples tests, not supplier expectations.
Let's just wait for the final chip specs.

Like I quoted directly from their press release, they stated 0.055-0.07 as the 40-55GH range and the J/GH increased from there with a slope of 0.0011. If I'm understanding what that means, then 0.07J/GH is not flat performance but it increases with operating frequency - which makes sense when you consider how everything else has ever worked. If I understand the formula correct based on what they said, then at 140GH the J/Gh is about 0.154, not 0.07, which puts you at over 21W per ASIC.

How I got 20W per chip, why it's far from 0.07J/GH, and other questions like that are actually not very helpful because they're the questions I'm trying to ask myself. I showed my work, and the rationale behind it, and am asking for a sanity check. So, I say again, are your numbers based entirely off about 0.07J/GH flat performance taken from any posted test data, or is it an assumption? Because my numbers are taken from how I interpret some fairly awkwardly handled posted information and I'd like to know (based on facts, not assumptions) if I'm wrong.
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December 21, 2015, 03:39:34 AM
Let us hope your speculation is closer to the real numbers than mine Smiley
KNK
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December 21, 2015, 03:35:55 AM
Your worst case scenario is probably at the wall with low grade ( 60% efficiency) PSU. 20W at the chip is close to 0.11J/GH too far from 0.07J/GH
The last time, the numbers provided where correct and this information was provided from real samples tests, not supplier expectations.
Let's just wait for the final chip specs.
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December 21, 2015, 03:22:00 AM
20W would be based on worst case scenario.
Do have in mind that chip suplier numbers are usually a little bit "optimistic" Wink
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