Topic: [ANN] | BlackCoin Card aka CEX Cards | LibertyCoin Card Coming Soon - page 15. (Read 64625 times)

Hum...did ANYONE read the part about happy to move forward with the Wall Street event if the community makes a decision for change? If my goal is to "scam" the community I would just bail. No need to stick around right? Always the same BS...

First of all I would like to say that I believe that Iconic Expert is an honest guy.  I believe it was his efforts that took BC out of the swamps into mainstream.  
When he launches his new coin it will be wildly successful.  If I had not already sold my modest stash of BC I would be begging Iconic to help revive the coin as offered.

Let's be real the Foundation treated him like dirt.  The things about his personal information really crossed a line and he deserves to be pissed at them.

With all that said I stand behind Iconic.  However, it is not a blind following.  I have always stated my difference of opinion when it is there.

With regard to the Wall Street Donations, I believe the entire amount should be transferred to the foundation.  The people who donated did so for the betterment of the Blackcoin.  A donation to the Red Cross does nothing for that.  Then again donating to the Foundation probably doesn't either, BUT it removes any attack vector they would have with him.  

Iconic has amassed a great deal of street cred calling out the foundation and behind the scene stuff.  Put the Wall Street event away in such a manner that is beyond reproach.

As always Iconic you are the man! Looking forward to your coin launch!!!!

Judge Crypto
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Red Cross WTF does that have to do with anything, donate to the COMMUNITY! Oh wait donating to red cross is like charitable donations on your taxes...BS!
GIVE IT BACK, DIRT BAG!

Do people actually read? Noerc made a very good proposal and I accepted it. Most of the people that are yelling "scammer" did not donate to the event. MOST of the people who donated large amounts do not want their donations back. However, there were a lot of small donations and it is not easy to refund.

dude.. okay. the crypto world is full with scammers. doesn't mean hes a prick and to lazy to give people's money back. your naive.

I personally have no problem with anything except for the not refunding people part.

Just because something is "Hard" doesnt mean it shouldnt be done.  If you are a businessman like you claim to be, how could you mismanage money donated to your event?  Where is your attention to detail?  Why dont you have an accountant?  You should have a transaction log and be able to tie transactions to fiat.  

Why werent you more organized when you decided to take donations?  

Why would someone want to follow you to your new coin or whatever when you couldnt even handle a small promotion like wallstreet without screwing it up?

To all of you crying about Iconic performing a hit-n-run, this is silly.  

Remember that you, solely you, at your discretion and at your own risk, donated and there are no guarantee's in crypto.  I repeat, no guarantees in crypto.  

He doesn't need to take to scam anyone and he knows the potential backlash in doing such would be exponential.  I don't agree with the Red Cross idea but I know that issuing refunds and confirming each transaction would be nightmarish.  And to some conspirators, who's to say you wouldn't lie about whether you received it or not.  After the community split, I wouldn't so put yourself in all shoes except your own, for once.  I do believe the donations should go to a BC Project because BC members donated to the BC cause and if I wanted to donate to Red Cross, I could do that myself with fiat.  

For the record, I donated 1k BC.....I'm not concerned because for me, it can be viewed as money that can be used towards Iconic's future endeavors, which I've already inquired or at the very least, a financial lesson on my part.  

Explore opportunities by turning a potentially bad thing into a good thing, learn from your mistakes and stop bickering.  It's evident a few BC means a lot to some of you. Although $.08 shouldn't be.  We are in a gray shade, Wild West, unregulated, part of the World Wide Web.  If this is too much for you to handle, I suggest you don't ever donate again.  There is and will always be scams/suspicious activity in crypto.  

OK Iconic, if you do donate this to the red Cross,please be sure to get confirmation and please address it as the community donated to the red cross.you can keep the cred for setting it up. As much as you hate them, please acknowledge that the foundation exists as well

IE wants to run the whole community yet he cancels the project and he's not giving people their money back.  What confidence should I have in your running the community if you just screwed over the people.  I'm sorry that donation ish doesn't fly. 

Yep. Either give the money to fund future bc projects like the donors intended (the MIT one is getting ready to start fundraising soon) or return it...whether that be at a loss of value the donor has to absorb (even if it was your own fault for immediately cashing out like people said NOT to do) or a loss through you because you can simply get payapl addresses of those wanting a refund and just send the fiat equivalent of what was donated at the time. If you have millions of blackcoin and "more money than we will ever see" from your successful companies (like you once wrote) then that shouldn't be a problem right?

Just because the coin has soured for you and you want to abandon the project doesn't mean that view is held by the people who donated. If they still believe in the coin, shouldn't their donation get to fund its future (and their investment) like it was intended? Who are you to say the money they gave should instead be given to charity?

Ok fair enough. I choose the Red Cross because it is an international organization, and BC is an international coin. I also figured it would be good press for BC to donate to a well known cause.

Agree 1000% Maarx is the man for the job. Soepkip has done a great job and i mean no disrespect to Soepkip but Maarx fits the role perfectly.

yeh it was intended for bc, so spend it on bc, or give it to the foundation. as much as it might rankle with you it's the right thing to do

Could you make this a community decision? Not that donating to the red cross isn't a very honorable move, it just wasn't the intention of the donators in the first place.

I personally donated 5 LTC, so around 50$. Although this of course was money I don't need for living, this is a considerable fraction of my earnings as a PhD student. When I donated this money my goal was to co-fund a PR project of my investment. When on Christmas somebody knocks at my door and asks for money for the Red Cross I also give something, but with the goal to support the Red Cross project. I would be similarly surprised if the Red Cross would tell me after Christmas that the money was donated to a crypto PR project.

So if we can only use this money as a whole, lets collectively decide what we will do with, ok?

You should just turn all the fiat you got from donations back in to BC/BTC/LTC and then send back an amount possible to the people who donated to you.
I get that your not gonna refund it will your own money and if people don't receive their full amount back, that is the cause of fluctuations. but you can't just donate it to the red cross organization.

Good overall announcement, I agree with you on a couple of points. GL with your own coin!

Like you said its imposible to return money back to donators. And the Red Cross is a nice gesture but there are alot of bastards runing such charty funds. I propose to you that you support the community driven projects that are active with the donations you received. They money was intended for the BC promotion and it should be spend for BC promotion. If not Red Cross in not a bad idea.

Is is a Loui Vuitton Bag?

SCAMER SCAMER

 well i appreciate it would be hard to refund everyone but as you like to tell people, you have a lot of money,now,
as i see it, you made the mistake of cashing it all in for fiat so you should make thedifference up. you have no right to decide to donate all of it to the red cross, sure it's a noble cause but some people might like their dollar back. it's their money after all.

If it's not a lot of money to you, what is the problem with refunding it? People gave you their money so it could be put to use for Blackcoin, if they wanted to donate to the Red Cross, they would donate to the Red Cross directly.