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Topic: [ANN] Blacknet | IBO for BlackCoin | New code | PoS | No ICO - page 1243. (Read 2510302 times)

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Not going to happen unless the pumper(s) have a lot of coin to knock down those sell walls.
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i had it , still dont get it sorry  Angry pls someone just give a direction.
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Pepemo.vip

unless you have some deep deep pockets, I doubt this pump will do much of anything. BC arrive at the price it should be, when it wants to, not because of some pumper Tongue
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Pepemo.vip
[ed] and it's worth mentioning that multi-pool mining for other coins is basically a kind of carry trade arbitrage that's already being carried out in BC.
Please explain carry trade arbitrage.
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My thinking on this was sort of loose. But anyone mining other alts and buying BC with it, is effectively borrowing BC to turn around and invest temporarily in things that may have a higher rate of return (assuming their prices are stable enough). We aren't at a point yet where I loan you BC and you go put it in MintCoin and take the difference in interest...at this point BC is still a raider. But if it's becoming the home base for those kinds of excursions, it's kind of like the Yen.

Blackcoin is still hundreds of millions if not billions off the market cap required to make this worth while. But it also reminds me how early a stage all crypto is in.

I trade forex as well Smiley

Not interested in giving some accelerated crypto courses? I really need to learn some basics n stuff Grin

Possibly, tons of stuff out there already. Check out the IRC (listed on main page) Lots of super helpful people. I'm on and off irc.
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hi new to this coin , heard lots of hype. How can i mine bc?

Did you read the first page?
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hi new to this coin , heard lots of hype. How can i mine bc?
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Apart from the odd stash sell off no one is selling their coins in substantial chunks - we are going up from here I think. Despite my anger towards the market manipulator earlier I managed to make 5000 BC of it so I guess we both won in the end haha

It seems like you made the wrong move earlier today but you corrected it afterwards with a very good move  Wink

Anyway, only time will tell. These things will happen again and again and again ...

Certainly beats gambling at the casino... hehe No offense!  Grin Awaiting a witty rebuttal.
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Apart from the odd stash sell off no one is selling their coins in substantial chunks - we are going up from here I think. Despite my anger towards the market manipulator earlier I managed to make 5000 BC of it so I guess we both won in the end haha

It seems like you made the wrong move earlier today but you corrected it afterwards with a very good move  Wink

Anyway, only time will tell. These things will happen again and again and again ...
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Just reposting below what I posted a couple of days ago for anyone who missed it:

This is the third time this pattern has repeated. If you're interested in the price pattern read below.

Pump from 600 to 1400 satoshis. This led to a massive dump back and took a while to recover from. It slowly climbed back up to 1500 and then...

Pump from 1500 to 4900 satoshis. This was an epic pump. The usual daily trading volume spiked up to 1400 BTC traded in a day. It was followed by a massive dump (people taking profit).

Since that last dump which occurred the weekend before last the price has slowly climbed back up from 1600 to 2500 to 3500 to 4500. When it broke 3500 confidence started regrowing very quickly. It hovered around the high 4000's for a while. When it smashed through 5000, I posted here saying this is a very significant sign (it's a very bullish indicator recovering from a dump to break the all time high price) and I predicted a frenzied pump like the last two times (proof here -  DO NOT POST SESC LINKS ).

We've now experienced the next pump from 4900 to 9000 satoshis

What is happening now is the next dumping phase. Effectively this is people cashing out there profits. I expect this to last for several days like the last few times. There's no proof of work mined coins being dumped on the market. The only mass coins being released are from people who bought low and who want to realise their profits. Eventually this will stop, and the buying pressure will cause further rises in price.

The market cap of this coin is still peanuts. We could easily triple in price from here. Easily. When I do finally start taking profits from this coin, it's going to be one of the rare coins where I only cash out half and keep the other half in. Because with a coin like this you just don't know what the ceiling is going to be for many weeks.
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[ed] and it's worth mentioning that multi-pool mining for other coins is basically a kind of carry trade arbitrage that's already being carried out in BC.
Please explain carry trade arbitrage.
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My thinking on this was sort of loose. But anyone mining other alts and buying BC with it, is effectively borrowing BC to turn around and invest temporarily in things that may have a higher rate of return (assuming their prices are stable enough). We aren't at a point yet where I loan you BC and you go put it in MintCoin and take the difference in interest...at this point BC is still a raider. But if it's becoming the home base for those kinds of excursions, it's kind of like the Yen.

Blackcoin is still hundreds of millions if not billions off the market cap required to make this worth while. But it also reminds me how early a stage all crypto is in.

I trade forex as well Smiley

Not interested in giving some accelerated crypto courses? I really need to learn some basics n stuff Grin
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Apart from the odd stash sell off no one is selling their coins in substantial chunks - we are going up from here I think. Despite my anger towards the market manipulator earlier I managed to make 5000 BC of it so I guess we both won in the end haha
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Pepemo.vip
When markets were controlled by a relative few who had almost all the hard currency -- e.g. in the 1890s -- large-scale capital investment was impossible for up-and-comers. Thus Ma Bell, Standard Oil et al. couldn't be challenged by people with better ideas. The end result was a loss of efficiency in the system as a whole, until the government broke them up.

The loaf-of-bread issue is that economic output is not linear. Really, over time you get more and more output; more grain can be grown from one acre of land. Chicken costs 1/6th what it did at the start of the 20th century in real terms. Things get cheaper as we (as an industrial society) get better at producing them. And so it would make no sense if one chicken were permanently worth 0.1 oz of gold. You need to not just subdivide the gold further -- you need to create more gold, or more paper, or else people will not continue to make a growing number of chickens.

[ed] the above being the best explanation I can come up with after 6 beers, for how printing more paper or creating interest in a virtual currency is not necessarily inflation, but may just be keeping up with the rate of economic growth.

You're getting into the massive increase in productivity with the subsequent massive decrease in wages compared to economic output. If wages has maintained their ratio to productivity then we would all be making very livable wages just like our parents and grandparents.

If we all were making liveable wages for the past 20 years, then its likely crypto may have never been created.
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You need to not just subdivide the gold further -- you need to create more gold, or more paper, or else people will not continue to make a growing number of chickens.

So then BC can be the gold while other PoS coins can be the paper! Smiley
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When markets were controlled by a relative few who had almost all the hard currency -- e.g. in the 1890s -- large-scale capital investment was impossible for up-and-comers. Thus Ma Bell, Standard Oil et al. couldn't be challenged by people with better ideas. The end result was a loss of efficiency in the system as a whole, until the government broke them up.

The loaf-of-bread issue is that economic output is not linear. Really, over time you get more and more output; more grain can be grown from one acre of land. Chicken costs 1/6th what it did at the start of the 20th century in real terms. Things get cheaper as we (as an industrial society) get better at producing them. And so it would make no sense if one chicken were permanently worth 0.1 oz of gold. You need to not just subdivide the gold further -- you need to create more gold, or more paper, or else people will not continue to make a growing number of chickens.

[ed] the above being the best explanation I can come up with after 6 beers, for how printing more paper or creating interest in a virtual currency is not necessarily inflation, but may just be keeping up with the rate of economic growth.
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Pepemo.vip
[ed] and it's worth mentioning that multi-pool mining for other coins is basically a kind of carry trade arbitrage that's already being carried out in BC.
Please explain carry trade arbitrage.
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My thinking on this was sort of loose. But anyone mining other alts and buying BC with it, is effectively borrowing BC to turn around and invest temporarily in things that may have a higher rate of return (assuming their prices are stable enough). We aren't at a point yet where I loan you BC and you go put it in MintCoin and take the difference in interest...at this point BC is still a raider. But if it's becoming the home base for those kinds of excursions, it's kind of like the Yen.

Blackcoin is still hundreds of millions if not billions off the market cap required to make this worth while. But it also reminds me how early a stage all crypto is in.

I trade forex as well Smiley
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with an interest rate algorithm designed to keep prices (roughly) constant would be very appealing.

I know. I probably shouldn't have said it in this forum, because someone else will do it and become insanely wealthy from it. Hopefully they won't do it stupidly and ruin the idea (anyone who wants to do this should email me first, and build some sims ...has anyone ever built a sim before launching one of these coins??? I do it before launching every new card game or slot machine). For the time being though, BC is as good as it gets from a fundamental perspective; and even if such a coin appeared tomorrow, BC would be a great alternative/carry instrument for it, so they would be complimentary.

Sorry. I'm not following this concept of "adjusted inflation rate".

Also I've heard more people play the lotto when economy is down so that makes sense about gambling. Desperate times means desperate people looking to win big.
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By the way, as we speak about cabbages & kings, BC is slowly but steadily gaining ground in MintPal.

P.S. Just joking about "cabbages & kings". Of course we should also discuss other things than the price.


 

You've culturally enriched me! I just read the walrus & the carpenter.
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[ed] and it's worth mentioning that multi-pool mining for other coins is basically a kind of carry trade arbitrage that's already being carried out in BC.
Please explain carry trade arbitrage.
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My thinking on this was sort of loose. But anyone mining other alts and buying BC with it, is effectively borrowing BC to turn around and invest temporarily in things that may have a higher rate of return (assuming their prices are stable enough). We aren't at a point yet where I loan you BC and you go put it in MintCoin and take the difference in interest...at this point BC is still a raider. But if it's becoming the home base for those kinds of excursions, it's kind of like the Yen.
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Pepemo.vip
Fantastic post.
Thank you.

I believe the splitting to 8 decimal places solves a lot of the non-zero sum game. Value can continue to increase per unit, so you use smaller and smaller units. Since you can split almost to infinity with computer values, its irrelevant and the value is still retained.
The thing is, that doesn't really solve the problem. It solves the problem of how to denominate it, but it doesn't solve the problem of hoarding. Because as long as you're reducing to smaller decimal places to buy a loaf of bread, for instance, the value of your Bitcoin is worth more and more loaves of bread. As long as value increases per unit of Bitcoin, you have deflation and no one will actually spend the currency. When no one spends it, the economy collapses because merchants like me can't stay in business.

As a little side note, I learned something really interesting about economics by opening the first Bitcoin casino... I learned that people gamble when the currency loses value (or in other words, inflates). It may seem obvious, but it wasn't obvious to me at the beginning. I used to be terrified that Bitcoin would go down because our holdings would lose value. But I realized pretty soon that that's exactly when people gamble their coins.

There has never been a global currency that has 1% fixed inflation that cannot be messed with by any government. Bitcoin and Litecoin are good examples however their inflation is still massive, even compared to FIAT. Crypto's power lies in being free from any outside interference from government, why not make it free from inflation as well?


Black-coin is fairly distributed right now but it needs to be more so and more widely distributed. Its not an issue right now and wont be over the next few weeks but everyone should try and get their family an friends along for the ride. Get them started with a wallet with 10 BC to start or whatever amount.

Its time to take this to the next step...

I completely agree with this, and I think that's why BlackCoin is a solid bet to be a complementary store of value to BTC/LTC. I do wish that the interest rate could be tweaked, but to this point no one has set up a coin that tweaks interest rates based on market dynamics (although BC bonds could certainly be issued down the road that would fill that gap). So given where we are now, I think the distribution and the fixed interest rate are as close-to-right as you can ask for.

I don't think you should say '1% fixed inflation' though, because 'inflation' is a measure of the currency's loss in buying power not a measure of how much money supply there is alone. BTC will become deflationary long before it's done being mined... as it is right now, BC is deflationary because it's rising in value faster than it pays interest; therefore most people won't loan it or spend it.


The Loaf of bread thing, I agree with. Blackcoin cannot solve that problem however there are many difference kinds of currencies. You don't use gold to buy a loaf of bread (unless the economy is really fucked). DRK may be used to transmit funds, then stored long term in Blackcoin, then transferred to Bitcoin for ease of use to spend.

The same thing works today. Cash for transactions that are not traceable. Cash then used to buy gold for long term hedge against inflation, then sold when needed or converted to digital cash in a bank account for ease of use.

The biggest benefit of using crypto currencies is these were built by the people for the people. Not for control.
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