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Quote from: Thirdspace on January 21, 2018, 11:22:30 PM

so deepwebtalk, deepdotweb... can't we force them to take down the articles?
or are they the one who responsible created the scam clone websites? and intentionally created fake news articles

deepwebtalk has almost empty forum with four fake mixer addresses and each mixer account is a moderator with one post.

Quote from: Thirdspace on January 21, 2018, 11:22:30 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

scam

could he be one of the victims too? thinking he was on the official ChipMixer site Lips sealed

No. AFAIR he received a valid (funded) private key and could not import it into Electrum.

Quote from: btcton on January 21, 2018, 11:51:45 PM

The best chance you have at knowing you are at the real website is the security certificate (and make sure you connect through HTTPS)

That is not true. Anyone can get SSL certificate for their domain.

Quote from: btcton on January 21, 2018, 11:51:45 PM

You cannot even trust Google on this

Some companies (Google) will advertise known scams. Some people (theymos) will not advertise possible scam (ICOs) even if it costs them (around 9 BTC per week). This is a reason why ChipMixer buy ads at this forum and not on Google.

Quote from: TryNinja on January 22, 2018, 02:12:28 PM

I made a comment on the DeepDotWeb's article page and they changed the link to the correct .onion url.

AFAIK they are a "famous" news website in the DNM world, so maybe they (somehow) fucked up and thought the fake version was the original?

Thank you. This shows that even privacy pros are vunerable for scams.

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Quote from: Thirdspace on January 21, 2018, 11:22:30 PM

so deepwebtalk, deepdotweb... can't we force them to take down the articles?
or are they the one who responsible created the scam clone websites? and intentionally created fake news articles

I made a comment on the DeepDotWeb's article page and they changed the link to the correct .onion url.

AFAIK they are a "famous" news website in the DNM world, so maybe they (somehow) fucked up and thought the fake version was the original?

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 22, 2018, 09:41:17 AM

The .co website is something not related with a Bitcoin mixer Huh

@ChipMixer
What about changing the title tag of the website

"Official ChipMixer - Bitcoin tumbler" instead the current one "ChipMixer - Bitcoin tumbler"
As well the title of the topic here

The ads are showing only with "Chipmixer" keyword and not for " Bitcoin tumbler" or "Bitcoin mixer"
Just a suggestion...

As TheQuin said, the fake websites could just add "Official" to their websites as well and Google would not mind as long as they kept paying for the sponsored spot. They have shown that they do not care enough to remove the clone websites. I do agree with you in that "Bitcoin Mixer" is a better title than "Bitcoin Tumbler", as the former is what most people looking for a mixer know the service as.

Furthermore, the problem isn't so much that people like us that frequent the Bitcoin forums and other sources of crypto news will be losing our bitcoins to fake website clones. The real problem is that people who are not aware of threads such as this one and do not follow crypto news will be the ones thinking that those fake clone websites are the real thing, which will end up with them getting scammed and worsening their view on both ChipMixer and the cryptocurrency scene because they do not know any better. There has to be appeal to the average person.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 22, 2018, 09:41:17 AM

The ads are showing only with "Chipmixer" keyword and not for " Bitcoin tumbler" or "Bitcoin mixer"
Just a suggestion...

Nice idea but I think the scam sites would just add it to the search keywords for their advert. Sorry to shoot you down without coming up with a better idea, but Google removing the ads is the only real solution. Using AdBlock is the best way to protect yourself as Google doesn't seem to care.

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The .co website is something not related with a Bitcoin mixer Huh

@ChipMixer
What about changing the title tag of the website

"Official ChipMixer - Bitcoin tumbler" instead the current one "ChipMixer - Bitcoin tumbler"
As well the title of the topic here

The ads are showing only with "Chipmixer" keyword and not for " Bitcoin tumbler" or "Bitcoin mixer"
Just a suggestion...

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Quote from: btcton on January 21, 2018, 11:51:45 PM

You cannot even trust Google on this, as when you look up ChipMixer on their search engine, one of the sponsored results is a scam website that is not owned or related to the official ChipMixer website. It is simply another clone page.

Google now shows advertising for .co and .pro, both fake of course. I am very disappointed Google allows scamsites to keep advertising, despite being reported to them!

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Quote from: ChipMixer on January 21, 2018, 06:54:03 PM

New scam even have their own forum: [redacted]

Quote from: walletman on January 21, 2018, 11:04:55 PM

I got scam by one that Clone ChipMixer and it was in the article on DeepDotweb it was over halfway down the article said to click on the onion site to go to ChipMixer

so deepwebtalk, deepdotweb... can't we force them to take down the articles?
or are they the one who responsible created the scam clone websites? and intentionally created fake news articles

I would not be surprised if they were. Imagine how easy it would be to just set up a site (I have never heard of those sites in my life) and post articles linking to your own clone web pages in order to make effortless money. It is easy to do and there is little to risk, especially on the Tor network. The best chance you have at knowing you are at the real website is the security certificate (and make sure you connect through HTTPS) as well as using only the official links provided through an official means of communication (i.e. this thread). You cannot even trust Google on this, as when you look up ChipMixer on their search engine, one of the sponsored results is a scam website that is not owned or related to the official ChipMixer website. It is simply another clone page.

EDIT: To clarify and as ChipMixer said, just connecting through HTTPS is not enough to know it is the real site. What I meant was that ChipMixer's official site makes you connect through HTTPS, so if you don't then you're looking at the wrong site. You must also make sure to use the official URLs, of course.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on January 21, 2018, 06:54:03 PM

New scam even have their own forum: deepwebtalk.com/chipmixer-bitcoin-tumbler/chipmixer-bitcoin-tumbler-official-faqs/

Quote from: walletman on January 21, 2018, 11:04:55 PM

I got scam by one that Clone ChipMixer and it was in the article on DeepDotweb it was over halfway down the article said to click on the onion site to go to ChipMixer

so deepwebtalk, deepdotweb... can't we force them to take down the articles?
or are they the one who responsible created the scam clone websites? and intentionally created fake news articles

Quote from: ?? on ??

scam

could he be one of the victims too? thinking he was on the official ChipMixer site Lips sealed

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I got scam by one that Clone ChipMixer and it was in the article on DeepDotweb it was over halfway down the article said to click on the onion site to go to ChipMixer and it was a link you can click on that I was thinking it send you to the top then click on onion address but it just sent me to the scam site though it was just a shortcut to the site. Here's the address http://chipmibszeovmora.onion/ and they got me for $200.

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There is another scam clone with google ads. Previous one was not removed.
New scam even have their own forum: deepwebtalk.com/chipmixer-bitcoin-tumbler/chipmixer-bitcoin-tumbler-official-faqs/
They have clone of a few mixers: helix, bitblender, privcoin

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Interesting observation - after disabling withdrawal of 1/2 mBTC chips most customers prefer to donate / bet their small chips than get a voucher and merge them to get bigger chip.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on January 16, 2018, 06:46:52 PM

4. We are reintroducing commonized chips (0.25, 0.5, 1, 2, 4 and now 8 BTC). We will keep them restocked.
Reason - when we introduced them they did not had a lot of customers and we were getting out of normal chips often. We have had a lot of requests on support to reintroduce them again.

Thanks ChipMixer!

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Gotta admit, I didn't notice the expiry time for the session, I just backed my key, and logged on a while later to see there were no coins.
Although it's stated on the website after I contacted ChipMixer they have decided to give me a 60mBTC voucher to use on the website (the amount I lost).
So, kuddos to ChipMixer

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Where to read for the project? The fact that a good organization for the project - it's great, I would like to see their plans for the future.

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We have introduced some changes that may require explaination.

1. We have extended session expiry timer from 48h (2 days) to 168h (7 days).
Reason - mining fees are higher than usual and many transactions are delayed. We are testing how it will affect our service usage.

2. We are introducing new chip 8.192 BTC (8192 mBTC) and we are increasing one-confirmation chip dispensing from 10 BTC to 20 BTC.
Reason - there are lots of high deposits that get multiple 4 BTC chips.
Increasing one-confirmation limit means our recommended per-session limit is increasing to "under 20 BTC".

3. We are increasing minimal deposit amount from 0.001 BTC (1 mBTC) to 0.004 BTC (4 mBTC) and blocking withdrawal of 1 and 2 mBTC chips.
This requires longer explaination. Current mining fees are almost 1 mBTC and sweeping smallest chip result in getting almost nothing. This results in situations like this:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/5151e688f5ad2410cf92dc142dfc114d3a4ff4090f14082ffa0a33dc967a46ec
This is an example of burning 33 mBTC to receive almost 8 mBTC.

What will happen if somebody deposits 3 mBTC? They will receive chips that can be split/merge/bet/donate but not withdraw. They can be exchanged for voucher to be used with another session.
What will happen if somebody deposits 5 mBTC? They will receive 4 mBTC chip that can be withdrawn and 1 mBTC chip that can be exchanged for voucher.

Hopefully it will lower the wasteful sweep transactions.

4. We are reintroducing commonized chips (0.25, 0.5, 1, 2, 4 and now 8 BTC). We will keep them restocked.
Reason - when we introduced them they did not had a lot of customers and we were getting out of normal chips often. We have had a lot of requests on support to reintroduce them again.

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Quote from: TryNinja on January 13, 2018, 01:22:52 PM

Looks like "Bitcoin Forks" is the new ICO mania.

I found this site that lists a lot of the new BTC ~~shit~~forks: http://forks.net/list/Bitcoin

Bitcoin Hot, Bitcoin Pizza, Bitcoin God... It never ends. And even though many of these are nothing more than shitcoins, it still gives a reason for many people trying to "exploit" ChipMixer for profit.

Call me one of the rare users, but I treat forks like I treat shitcoins. The only one I ever ~~cashed in~~ claimed was Bitcoin Cash. I know it’s free money, but realistically speaking, I can’t be asked to keep track of all the forks and claim my free Bitcoin. I guess my tune will change if any of them become profitable and sustainable enough to actually give a shit lol

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Looks like "Bitcoin Forks" is the new ICO mania.

I found this site that lists a lot of the new BTC ~~shit~~forks: http://forks.net/list/Bitcoin

Bitcoin Hot, Bitcoin Pizza, Bitcoin God... It never ends. And even though many of these are nothing more than shitcoins, it still gives a reason for many people trying to "exploit" ChipMixer for profit.

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Quote from: audaciousbeing on January 13, 2018, 12:12:53 PM

I think its high time service providers took a definite stance on this.

Most weird forks are only traded on equally weird exchanges. Once there is enough demand from users, other exchanges add them too.
I've predicted it months ago already: as long as forks are profitable for the creators, they'll keep coming. Just like altcoins, just like ICOs, this is just the next step. Hype a fork, premine 100,000 coins for yourself, and once people start buying it, you make tens of millions of dollars profit! Then, just like any ICO nowadays, you just pull the exact same trick on the next fork and profit even more.
This will only stop once Bitcoin users stop caring, but since it creates an "if I don't do it I lose out on free money"-feeling, people will keep using forks. I too can barely keep track of all the forks nowadays, but not claiming them means I lose money.

Now, back to mixers: be very careful when you claim forked coins, any transaction on any forked chain can link all involved Bitcoin addresses together, and this can compromise the privacy you're so carefully guarding when you use ChipMixer!

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Quote from: ChipMixer on January 13, 2018, 10:22:46 AM

Chip pool partially replenished. You can redeem your voucher now.

Quote from: Thirdspace on January 13, 2018, 10:16:51 AM

could it be Phase 2 Distribution UnitedBitcoin UBTC?

Maybe. This short-sighted money grab of bitcoin forking makes long-term damage to bitcoin.

I agree with this completely. The abundance of all these forks is just creating a confusion here and there and distort established services like this. Sooner or later you start seeing request of when ChipMixer will support a particular fork and the question is, how many times in a month do you want to do that?. In the long run we might not even know which one is the right bitcoin and people would not even need to work or trade to even make extra effort to earn bitcoin via what they do, all that is needed is just to keep tab of recent forks and claim my free money.

I think its high time service providers took a definite stance on this.

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Chip pool partially replenished. You can redeem your voucher now.

Quote from: Thirdspace on January 13, 2018, 10:16:51 AM

could it be Phase 2 Distribution UnitedBitcoin UBTC?

Maybe. This short-sighted money grab of bitcoin forking makes long-term damage to bitcoin.

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