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Quote from: gentlemand on May 22, 2019, 11:12:49 AM

Considering Bestmixer has just been seized for what looks like relatively unspecific reasons, is anyone willing to guess what Chipmixer's next move is likely to be?

There is a big difference between them. I used BestMixer in the early days. Their design was bad and they seemed to be a project for students who were still developing what they were doing. "It will be easy to find a lot of backdoors in their system and a lot of mistakes."

I do not know how Chipmixer started, but they seem to be more professional.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on May 31, 2019, 10:50:20 PM

I found this domain chipmixer.site

Scam. Restoring session redirects to chipmixer.info <- SCAM.

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Lately a lot of people use scam sites like this one on .info domain. It's not our site.

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I found this domain chipmixer.site
edit: and yeah, of course, avoid this one

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Quote from: HeRetiK on May 29, 2019, 03:34:36 AM

According to bitblender.io's Tor website they are shutting down as well. Looks like we have another wave of closures at our hands. A sad day for privacy.

Potentially the 'decide your own fees' from chipmixer has taken a large dent out of the other mixers that charge a flat fee.

Bitblender wasn't great for privacy since they gave you a user account rather than a private key but they were long standing. I doubt this will be it with just one or two big mixers left, others will open in place of those with better privacy features for their owners.

Quote from: TryNinja on May 28, 2019, 02:11:37 PM

It’s pretty obvious that they tried to use BestMixer as an example to scary people off.

“YOU ARE NOT ANONYMOUS” Cheesy

Just because get caught one, doesn’t mean that every other mixer needs to run away with tail between legs.

This is true. They've only really be able to get to that mixer and it was because it was in a stupid place... TheNetherlands is about as bad as the US for hosting services like this as it won't sit well with their anti-money laundering strategies.

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According to bitblender.io's Tor website they are shutting down as well. Looks like we have another wave of closures at our hands. A sad day for privacy.

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Quote from: shield132 on May 28, 2019, 01:43:01 PM

I guess chipmixer is going to stay, but why? And this "why" isn't simple question.

Probably because it's not doing anything illegal:

Quote from: https://securingtomorrow.mcafee.com/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/crypto-currency-laundering-service-bestmixer-io-taken-down-by-law-enforcement/

A mixing service will cut up a sum of Bitcoins into hundreds of smaller transactions and mixes different transactions from other sources for obfuscation and will pump out the input amount, minus a fee, to a certain output address. Mixing Bitcoins that are obtained legally is not a crime but, other than the mathematical exercise, there no real benefit to it.

The legality changes when a mixing service advertises itself as a success method to avoid various anti-money laundering policies via anonymity. This is actively offering a money laundering service.

[...]

Bestmixer offered a very clear page on why someone should mix their cryptocurrency. On this page Bestmixer described the current anti-money laundering policies and how its service could help evade these policies by making funds anonymous and untraceable. Offering such a service is considered illegal in many countries.

McAfee was involved in this case, so I can only assume that this was the real (official, at least) reason for Bestmixer's shutdown. If you don't want to open the linked article, it shows that Bestmixer had a page that basically tells you you can avoid anti-money laundering policies with its service. Chipmixer has nothing to worry about if this is the case.

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Quote from: malevolent on May 27, 2019, 09:56:00 PM

BTW, it'd be good to hear of some kind of a reassurance by ChipMixer that they aren't going anywhere, I hope they are unaffected by recent events...

I don't think they've made an official statement but they did refill the escrow address for the signature campaign which is a good sign I suppose.

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It’s pretty obvious that they tried to use BestMixer as an example to scary people off.

“YOU ARE NOT ANONYMOUS” Cheesy

Just because get caught one, doesn’t mean that every other mixer needs to run away with tail between legs.

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@shield, the question doent make sense. Why wouldn't ChipMixer stay? They're not under much threat and probably won't be if they have their anonymity sorted properly.

They'll stay because it's profitible and there's no reason to leave?

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Quote from: gentlemand on May 22, 2019, 11:12:49 AM

Considering Bestmixer has just been seized for what looks like relatively unspecific reasons, is anyone willing to guess what Chipmixer's next move is likely to be?

Bitmixer.io had the sense to walk before there was any heat.

Have the same question which I want to ask directly here and hope I'll get answer from chipmixer owner.
Bitmixer knew they had to run and this was time when a lot of new mixers came on market but still some old ones: cryptomixer and bitblender were on market. Bitblender went off, they sensed "smell" but somehow cryptomixer still stays here (if we consider the fact that their adresses were confirmed by DT members which to my mind wasn't great step from them because of anonimity).
I guess chipmixer is going to stay, but why? And this "why" isn't simple question.

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Quote from: mk4 on May 28, 2019, 06:02:53 AM

Did an whois lookup on ChipMixer, and it says that the domain is registered on Panama. Which should be a good thing I assume?

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blobe4000608dbfa6372.png

That's WhoisGuard's address (privacy protection company).

Quote from: http://www.whoisguard.com/

We place our information in public whois so that your information is not available to spammers. We don't cut off legitimate contacts by passing on valid mail and emails.

They will actually disclose the real information from the domain owner (being ChipMixer's real name (doubt), fake name or orange) to comply with "any applicable laws, government rules or requirements, subpoenas, court orders or requests of law enforcement"[1], so this means nothing.

All this does is protect your data from people like you (that whois lookup who owns a domain).
Most domains registrators use WhoisGuard by default (e.g Namecheap does it for free).

[1] http://www.whoisguard.com/legal-tos.asp

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on May 23, 2019, 01:58:07 AM

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Bets on who is the next? Wink

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all of them, but perhaps Bestmixer had particularly gaping holes in how they operated.

it sure sounds like it. all their servers were in the netherlands/luxembourg---seriously, who does that? of course those servers were going to get nabbed eventually.

Did an whois lookup on ChipMixer, and it says that the domain is registered on Panama. Which should be a good thing I assume?

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I was watching people use bitcoin atms on YouTube in the UK. They never exceed the initial limit of £2500 so I'm not sure what happens if you buy more but up to £2500 can be bought without kyc.

It makes sense they use chunks of £2500 because the slots usually take a maximum of 50 notes...

A different angle: europol want to look like theyre open to bitcoin businesses and innovation. Making arrests might harshen that. If europol is part of the EU it might turn people to the UK once we leave to host bitcoin related businesses.

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Quote from: HeRetiK on May 23, 2019, 05:28:55 PM

Interesting to hear, let's see how long it stays that way.

There have been Bitcoin ATMs in Poland for over 5 years now. The only restriction Bitcoin ATM operators must observe is that each transaction cannot be over 15000 EUR. But since no KYC is collected it's really a non-issue.

BTW, it'd be good to hear of some kind of a reassurance by ChipMixer that they aren't going anywhere, I hope they are unaffected by recent events...

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Quote from: TryNinja on May 27, 2019, 08:49:42 PM

Quote from: stadus on May 27, 2019, 08:40:15 PM

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Go to the website again, scroll down a little bit and paste your session token in the box next to the “Restore session” button. Then, click the button.

Or go to: https://chipmixer.com/session/restore/your_session_token_here
(REMEMBER TO ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK THE URL. Be careful with the phishing scams!)

Thanks for the help, I have successfully mix my coins, next time I'll go with a higher amount.
It's kinda complicated at first but I find it easier compared to the other mixer I tried as I can access it from my electrum and the fee is cheap.

Hopefully this will not be shut down like the other 2 mixers.

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Quote from: stadus on May 27, 2019, 08:40:15 PM

-snip-

Go to the website again, scroll down a little bit and paste your session token in the box next to the “Restore session” button. Then, click the button.

Or go to: https://chipmixer.com/session/restore/your_session_token_here
(REMEMBER TO ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK THE URL. Be careful with the phishing scams!)

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Good day guys, I tried to use the mixer for the first time and I seem to have a problem.

Can anyone from this group help me how to use my session token, I was not able to proceed with it yesterday as my deposit takes a takes many hours to confirmed, so I just copy the session token and close the site and go to bed.

Now, I want to proceed with the transaction as I saw my transaction were already confirm and I have no idea how to continue.

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Quote from: Rath_ on May 23, 2019, 10:15:24 AM

There is no KYC when using Bitcoin ATMs in Poland. An ATM knows only the receiving and the desination address, and the amount of coins obviously. Surprisingly, online services are forced to do KYC if a certain threshold is reached.

Interesting to hear, let's see how long it stays that way.

Austria and Germany appear to be a bit more strict in this regard (or maybe the respective companies are just more conservative and careful in their approach).

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on May 23, 2019, 02:03:10 PM

So europol probably has some idea of who the owners are, but at the same time admit to not having the evidence to indict/search for them?

"As they attempt to determine...<...>"
Pffrt. that really is an awkward way to put a company out of business like that.

Hah, that's law enforcement in legal grey areas for you.

Well connected company with political ties: "their actions may be unconventional but it's technically legal so there's nothing we can do"

Some rando business: "seize everything just to be safe"

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Quote from: HeRetiK on May 23, 2019, 09:52:03 AM

Quote from: Rath_ on May 22, 2019, 02:20:01 PM

[...] I wonder why they still haven't done anything to Bitcoin ATMs.

Are there anonymous Bitcoin ATMs? IIRC pretty much all ATM providers both in the Americas and in Europe follow KYC procedures of some sort. At least I'm not aware of any that don't. Granted, the effectiveness of said KYC procedures may vary, but at least there are some in place.

I believe there were some Bitcoin ATM's in spain not too long ago which were confiscated by the police there because they were used to "launder" drug money -- they probably didn't have KYC.
Also i believe that if you pay using IBAN here, you can do X amount without external verification.

- https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-atm-10-million-crypto-money-laundering-spain

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As it stands they don't know (yet) who ran the service, right? Or did I miss this in the reports? So far it seems like they only got the servers.

Quote from: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/dutch-authorities-shut-down-bestmixer/

...As Dutch media reported, no arrests have yet been made in the Bestmixer case, as Europol officials attempt to determine the extent to which criminal money laundering was used on the site...

So europol probably has some idea of who the owners are, but at the same time admit to not having the evidence to indict/search for them?

"As they attempt to determine...<...>"
Pffrt. that really is an awkward way to put a company out of business like that.

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Quote from: HeRetiK on May 23, 2019, 09:52:03 AM

Are there anonymous Bitcoin ATMs? IIRC pretty much all ATM providers both in the Americas and in Europe follow KYC procedures of some sort.

There is no KYC when using Bitcoin ATMs in Poland. An ATM knows only the receiving and the desination address, and the amount of coins obviously. Surprisingly, online services are forced to do KYC if a certain threshold is reached.

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