[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented - page 72.

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Quote from: mixmycoins on August 06, 2019, 07:22:24 PM

Why the hell is your site hosted on the clearweb and only additionally on Tor?

Our site is hosted on Tor and only additionaly on clearweb.
Clearweb site allows clearnet users to get some privacy. We suggest all to use Tor.

Quote from: mixmycoins on August 06, 2019, 07:22:24 PM

With an unrelated .com and a Tor .onion on an unknown server you could make sure that the mixes will always be private.

Should we advertise that unrelated .com or keep it secret? How does it make mixes private?

For transparency reason - there is a scam accusation against ChipMixer active:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52085359

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Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 02:37:27 PM

You are super naive.

Most countries' governments use cash so they also directly advocate for money laundering (since it's virtually impossible to track cash)?

Mixers allow you to anonymise yourself, not everyone who is using them is laundering money and you'd be stupid to just use a mixer on it's own to launder money (you should come up with something more advanced if you are).

mixmycoins

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You are super naive, but i guess your personal safety does not depend on the mixer you are signature shilling.
Never attribute malice to what could equally well be attributed to stupidity i guess Roll Eyes

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Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 01:24:47 PM

You don't have to encourage money laundering, mixers only exist for money laundering.

No, they exist to mix coins. What someone uses them for is up to them.

Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 01:24:47 PM

Even if they don't put mixer operators in jail, why would you think law enforcement does not want the data on the servers? Of course they do, it is just a matter of time until more mixers get shut down.

I'm sure they do, but they can't just take down every website they think might facilitate crime. I'm not talking about countries without a rule of law, though.

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Quote from: Thirdspace on August 07, 2019, 01:58:57 PM

Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 11:02:22 AM

If you are talking about my username, no, i am only looking for someone to mix my coins, but there seem to be 0 options who take privacy 100% serious.

you can pick one of many mixers out there and noone is forcing you to use chipmixer,
but why are you questioning only chipmixer and not also the other mixers?
about privacy, chipmixer doesn't require registration, your email address, name or any personal info
if you don't like centralized mixer, you can try built-in coinjoin transaction in wasabi or samourai wallet

I am just wondering why no mixer runs exclusively on tor anymore.
I also asked in other mixers threads, but someone deleted my posts, maybe because it was the same text Roll Eyes

I think centralized mixers would be way better than current coinjoin implementations, but only if run on tor.

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Mixing reinvented for your privacy | chipmixer.com

Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 11:02:22 AM

If you are talking about my username, no, i am only looking for someone to mix my coins, but there seem to be 0 options who take privacy 100% serious.

you can pick one of many mixers out there and noone is forcing you to use chipmixer,
but why are you questioning only chipmixer and not also the other mixers?
about privacy, chipmixer doesn't require registration, your email address, name or any personal info
if you don't like centralized mixer, you can try built-in coinjoin transaction in wasabi or samourai wallet

mixmycoins

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You don't have to encourage money laundering, mixers only exist for money laundering.
Everyone knows that they are mainly used by criminals.
And just pretending you don't know about money laundering, or don't encourage it, will make very little difference in court.
Even if they don't put mixer operators in jail, why would you think law enforcement does not want the data on the servers? Of course they do, it is just a matter of time until more mixers get shut down.
Or even worse, they let them running to catch people.
Maybe those operators should do less signature campaigns and start thinking about how to really cover their ass.
Meanwhile, why should i trust my data to one of those mixers, if they are too incompetent to understand that they are playing with fire with their .com servers?

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Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 09:38:32 AM

Bitblender was Tor only and closed the site themself.
They closed because they made enough money and did not want to end in jail.

He claims he 'got spooked' which is BS because he was just fishing for an excuse to exit-scam and when it was convenient he didn't hesitate (gave people 2 days + several hours to withdraw their coins). He didn't even act like he encouraged money laundering and this is what did Bestmixer in.

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Quote from: gentlemand on August 07, 2019, 10:42:45 AM

Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 10:15:42 AM

More like data of dummies using this snake oil.

Summat tells me you're about to launch a 'revolutionary' mixing service. You have an uphill battle.

If you are talking about my username, no, i am only looking for someone to mix my coins, but there seem to be 0 options who take privacy 100% serious.

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Quote from: mixmycoins on August 07, 2019, 10:15:42 AM

More like data of dummies using this snake oil.

Summat tells me you're about to launch a 'revolutionary' mixing service. You have an uphill battle.

mixmycoins

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Rofl, dummy data.
I will create a darknet marketplace today, run it on a .com, but dont worry, we will have lots of dummy data Cool

More like data of dummies using this snake oil.

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Actually ChipMixer produces their own ssl keys. If you go to their site and click the padlock logo at the top you'll see it is issued by let's encrypt. Which is an open source ssl certificate generator...

ChipMixer is busy, I doubt they have the time to give you an update on the architecture of there server and the choice of making the site clearnet and onion.

How are you so sure they got everyone's data, they might have just come across the insecure ones or maybe they didn't have a fully robust system of dummy data (I. E they weren't repeatedly adding to it so it looked like an out of date dataset).

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Bitblender was Tor only and closed the site themself.
They closed because they made enough money and did not want to end in jail.

Bestmixer got shut down, nobody got arrested, but they clearly got all the data from the mixer, and the bestmixer guy was even promising all those things you mentioned.

To me this is just talking, if a server is hosted on the clearnet, you don't even need to break the encryption of the server. Hosting provider will have the SSL cert, so they can just watch ALL traffic and nobody even notices.
Those current mixer providers are just good salesman, using fancy words, i would not trust any of them to be competent.
They are clearly not competent if they choose to host on a .com and not a .onion

The fact that 2 paid shills are telling me everything is ok, instead of the admin giving some real answer to me makes me sick tbh.

Have fun with your pretend mixers everyone Roll Eyes

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Most intelligence agencies won't bother with the server unless they know how to access the information from it.

A lot of companies will use unencrypted and encrypted dummy data and then encrypt the actual data so it would be too hard to tell what's what unless the owner were sat at the monitor and unlocking the right database... Most companies then put a self destruct in the database program too...

If bitblender got shut down its clear that their way of doing things wasn't very good with the clearnet and tor hybrid...

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Quote from: mixmycoins on August 06, 2019, 07:22:24 PM

You just hope that no law enforcement agency will ever try to infiltrate your server?

Why would they want to do that? No arrests have been made in Bestmixer's case, and ChipMixer isn't even acting like their service could be used to assist in breaking the law, which was the case with their competitor.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on July 09, 2019, 08:35:45 PM

We do believe that ChipMixer is most transparent mixer. We provide information how our mixing work and most important - why.

One question, since you seem to be serious about providing a working service:

Why the hell is your site hosted on the clearweb and only additionally on Tor?

You just hope that no law enforcement agency will ever try to infiltrate your server?

With an unrelated .com and a Tor .onion on an unknown server you could make sure that the mixes will always be private.

The way it is now, better assume you have already been compromised.

If you do it on a clearweb server so you get more newb customers and more money, you could just run a scam mixer like others.

I don't want to attack you or anything, i just noticed since bitblender is gone, all mixers are on the clearweb. Why would anyone think this can be a save mixer to use?

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Quote from: mixerwashinglaundry on July 08, 2019, 03:46:37 AM

What was the reason behind this outage?
After some small research I noticed that large amounts were send to chipmixer, which resulted in the existing chips running out?

Yes. Each time ChipMixer is out of chips is due to more deposits than produced chips.

Quote from: mixerwashinglaundry on July 08, 2019, 03:46:37 AM

And the chip creating is not automated (Perhaps the deposit wallets are on an airgapped machine and that's why?)
(Basing that on the fact that it sometimes takes up to a week until a deposit gets "chipped")

Chip creation is not directly affected by demand. If it was and same size chips were created when same size are withdrawn - it would be trackable on-chain and less private.

Quote from: mixerwashinglaundry on July 08, 2019, 03:46:37 AM

I would argue that some transparency is in the best interest of everyone.

We do believe that ChipMixer is most transparent mixer. We provide information how our mixing work and most important - why.

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Transparacy?

Clearly ChipMixer don't want to keep all of their funds online and set a certain amount that they can afford to lose on their online servers. This is the trend for most companies and means if a vulnerability is spotted, they don't just go bust...

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Quote from: ChipMixer on July 04, 2019, 06:34:33 PM

Hello

Chips have been refilled. You can redeem your vouchers now.

What was the reason behind this outage?
After some small research I noticed that large amounts were send to chipmixer, which resulted in the existing chips running out?
And the chip creating is not automated (Perhaps the deposit wallets are on an airgapped machine and that's why?)
(Basing that on the fact that it sometimes takes up to a week until a deposit gets "chipped")
I would argue that some transparency is in the best interest of everyone.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on July 04, 2019, 06:34:33 PM

Hello

Chips have been refilled. You can redeem your vouchers now.

Thank you, I was able to successfully claim my withdrawals, I'm happy to continue using the best mixer here as the support answers quickly.

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