I vote KEEP THE COINS in the community fund. No burning, no hardfork, no looking back let's just keep moving forward! 
Are we speaking now about ESP or ESP2 chain? 
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October 27, 2016, 12:07:59 PM
October 27, 2016, 09:26:08 AM
I vote KEEP THE COINS in the community fund. No burning, no hardfork, no looking back let's just keep moving forward!
October 27, 2016, 08:55:59 AM
Hello!
I withdraw my espers from cryptopia but those not comin'g in my wallet, mu sync of transactions not completed still, is that cause? please tell me.
So is that cause sync.
God day.
I withdraw my espers from cryptopia but those not comin'g in my wallet, mu sync of transactions not completed still, is that cause? please tell me.
So is that cause sync.
God day.
Hi,
yes, they surely will be shown in your wallet when everything is up to date.
But you can also check the transaction here:
http://espv2.miningalts.com/
October 27, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
Hello!
I withdraw my espers from cryptopia but those not comin'g in my wallet, mu sync of transactions not completed still, is that cause? please tell me.
So is that cause sync.
God day.
I withdraw my espers from cryptopia but those not comin'g in my wallet, mu sync of transactions not completed still, is that cause? please tell me.
So is that cause sync.
God day.
October 27, 2016, 05:30:57 AM
What is amount of unswapped coins? Over 5 billion?
October 27, 2016, 05:06:37 AM
I thought about after I read what you guys wrote.
Burning them is not a good choice. Thats now clear to me too.
Thanks.
Using the coins for promotion or bounties may be better.
Burning them is not a good choice. Thats now clear to me too.
Thanks.
Using the coins for promotion or bounties may be better.
October 27, 2016, 05:01:37 AM
Team is wise enough to think about good solutions to spend properly an amount that can lead the coin where investors want it to go.
I expressed my opinion in previous discussions, for me this is a clear "no burning", and I'm here from the beginning as an investor. This coin has a story that cannot be changed with only a drop in the total amount of coins (we are not talking about a coin born for the market, gosh! We are talking about a coin that have a long term project, and for this it requires a plan of working that devs have calculated! And the huge amount is part of this!). What can change the value now is the action of devs and gold ears that can listen what is happening here (chinese exchanges, business that want to integrate ESP as a payment method ecc.), and we can do it only through a massive promotion!!
The first promotion goal had gone but now all the project has a second chance to use properly a huge amount to tell the world where it can arrive.
For me a choice that will burn a single ESP is a mad choice!
Girls talk too much, I know, but if I see an action that burns coins I will bang my head against the wall lol
October 27, 2016, 04:32:11 AM
Ok, do not burn it.
I say give them all away in the form of promotions.
Get more exposure.
Exemple : Sell them at a good price to vote on new exchange. (livecoin etc)
I say give them all away in the form of promotions.
Get more exposure.
Exemple : Sell them at a good price to vote on new exchange. (livecoin etc)
October 27, 2016, 04:28:50 AM
Burning or not burning, it will not affect ESP2, unless the not-swapped is swapped by the team, which AFAIK is not going to happen.
So please everybody recalibrate all your thought and views.
So please everybody recalibrate all your thought and views.
October 27, 2016, 02:03:12 AM
Thank you for your input we appreciate it big time.
we appreciate it big time.We should chat on Crypto-city one of these day to discuss some future stuff.
October 27, 2016, 01:00:46 AM
I Would recommend NOT burning. simply because the coins would Not go to developers, but rather the community. it would allow the devs to test, give out, support and effectively promote the entire Espers Project.
i personally believe this could be invaluable for the project. but again the community has the final say. if the community as a whole tells to either to do it or not to do it we will listen. if it is a near tie, then the dev team will have the final say. therefore please voice your opinions, alternate solutions, or even a counter argument.
Something else to consider: "the community as a whole" is not all represented on this forum to discuss ideas. How many wallets is there? How many voices are talking.. It is a forum (not a election box).. Many others who hold espers by me strongly oppose this too.. so if there is a vote somehow we must keep in mind all forums and all folks who might not really be in crypto yet besides Espers and all those who may not have English as there first language. this is almost near impossible to decide what the community in whole wants. And how do we know if these votes are real votes how do we prove it.. This is a unnecessary distraction if not a impossible task.. It's just best to keep growing the community and espersi personally believe this could be invaluable for the project. but again the community has the final say. if the community as a whole tells to either to do it or not to do it we will listen. if it is a near tie, then the dev team will have the final say. therefore please voice your opinions, alternate solutions, or even a counter argument.
something else: "the community has the final say" I don't mean to be rude but the developers need to lead the way and they have the final say.. look at other projects.. Of course. But any successful project must have leaders and wise decisions makers.. Not blow by the wind voting or what's popular right now.. this didn't start out with rights (many just hold tokens and have contributed nothing. some have) just a common goal to take this to the finish line.. Economics aside any project to be successful it must follow it's outline. If we are to succeed we must keep leading.. (maybe not everyone will tag along) But to keep the vision we must not sway, right or left,, we must stay on course..
I agree with this.
@CryptoCoderz, I definitely see your point. I can also see how using unswapped coins for a "community fund" would make sense from a philosophical standpoint ... although the same argument from DigitalCurrencyConsultant applies to that fund, unless you have some Decred-like community voting you should not only base your decisions on voices in this forum (including me)! Do what is right.
We will build in a voting system into the wallet eventually if this is decided upon.
In the meantime we'd setup a voting area whether it be this thread or a new page on the cryptocoderz website to accommodate for current proposed giveaways/events and community votes/opinions
There would be community meetings scheduled biweekly to consult each other on what events to run and how to run them. That are later put up for vote.
Also I personally would like to think Espers isn't a half-bad community itself, I rather like everyone around.
My opinion is we do not burn. It would allow the DEV team to focus more on the core functionality that will bring value to the project and to the coin itself. I do understand the PC aspect, but if the original holders had 2+ months to swap the coins and did not care enough to do so, well that is their fault. They would loose their coins anyways at that point, so if they go back into a "pool" or back into the community to help promote the coin, then so be it.
Im looking forward to the functionality of the coin, and not seeing the DEV team have to dedicate time to stuff that was already done to recalibrate / duplicate work. Im a computer programmer, and I completely understand what it feels like to have to duplicate work over and over because of various reasons. So I feel their pain if they have to redo all that work again!
I do not feel that less coins is going to bring value to the coin. It will bring quick sellers to dump coins for profit. Im here for the long haul, and i want to see this point succeed. This means Site on Chain, Secure Messaging, Etc. In addition the coin supply is meant to be larger than most others, due to the fact that the functionality they are working on will cost something to use. Just part of the uniqueness of this coin.
This is just my 2 cents.
Im looking forward to the functionality of the coin, and not seeing the DEV team have to dedicate time to stuff that was already done to recalibrate / duplicate work. Im a computer programmer, and I completely understand what it feels like to have to duplicate work over and over because of various reasons. So I feel their pain if they have to redo all that work again!
I do not feel that less coins is going to bring value to the coin. It will bring quick sellers to dump coins for profit. Im here for the long haul, and i want to see this point succeed. This means Site on Chain, Secure Messaging, Etc. In addition the coin supply is meant to be larger than most others, due to the fact that the functionality they are working on will cost something to use. Just part of the uniqueness of this coin.
This is just my 2 cents.
Thank you for your input
we appreciate it big time. 
October 27, 2016, 12:51:28 AM
I Would recommend NOT burning. simply because the coins would Not go to developers, but rather the community. it would allow the devs to test, give out, support and effectively promote the entire Espers Project.
i personally believe this could be invaluable for the project. but again the community has the final say. if the community as a whole tells to either to do it or not to do it we will listen. if it is a near tie, then the dev team will have the final say. therefore please voice your opinions, alternate solutions, or even a counter argument.
Something else to consider: "the community as a whole" is not all represented on this forum to discuss ideas. How many wallets is there? How many voices are talking.. It is a forum (not a election box).. Many others who hold espers by me strongly oppose this too.. so if there is a vote somehow we must keep in mind all forums and all folks who might not really be in crypto yet besides Espers and all those who may not have English as there first language. this is almost near impossible to decide what the community in whole wants. And how do we know if these votes are real votes how do we prove it.. This is a unnecessary distraction if not a impossible task.. It's just best to keep growing the community and espersi personally believe this could be invaluable for the project. but again the community has the final say. if the community as a whole tells to either to do it or not to do it we will listen. if it is a near tie, then the dev team will have the final say. therefore please voice your opinions, alternate solutions, or even a counter argument.
something else: "the community has the final say" I don't mean to be rude but the developers need to lead the way and they have the final say.. look at other projects.. Of course. But any successful project must have leaders and wise decisions makers.. Not blow by the wind voting or what's popular right now.. this didn't start out with rights (many just hold tokens and have contributed nothing. some have) just a common goal to take this to the finish line.. Economics aside any project to be successful it must follow it's outline. If we are to succeed we must keep leading.. (maybe not everyone will tag along) But to keep the vision we must not sway, right or left,, we must stay on course..
I agree with this.
@CryptoCoderz, I definitely see your point. I can also see how using unswapped coins for a "community fund" would make sense from a philosophical standpoint ... although the same argument from DigitalCurrencyConsultant applies to that fund, unless you have some Decred-like community voting you should not only base your decisions on voices in this forum (including me)! Do what is right.
October 26, 2016, 11:38:59 PM
My opinion is we do not burn. It would allow the DEV team to focus more on the core functionality that will bring value to the project and to the coin itself. I do understand the PC aspect, but if the original holders had 2+ months to swap the coins and did not care enough to do so, well that is their fault. They would loose their coins anyways at that point, so if they go back into a "pool" or back into the community to help promote the coin, then so be it.
Im looking forward to the functionality of the coin, and not seeing the DEV team have to dedicate time to stuff that was already done to recalibrate / duplicate work. Im a computer programmer, and I completely understand what it feels like to have to duplicate work over and over because of various reasons. So I feel their pain if they have to redo all that work again!
I do not feel that less coins is going to bring value to the coin. It will bring quick sellers to dump coins for profit. Im here for the long haul, and i want to see this point succeed. This means Site on Chain, Secure Messaging, Etc. In addition the coin supply is meant to be larger than most others, due to the fact that the functionality they are working on will cost something to use. Just part of the uniqueness of this coin.
This is just my 2 cents.
Im looking forward to the functionality of the coin, and not seeing the DEV team have to dedicate time to stuff that was already done to recalibrate / duplicate work. Im a computer programmer, and I completely understand what it feels like to have to duplicate work over and over because of various reasons. So I feel their pain if they have to redo all that work again!
I do not feel that less coins is going to bring value to the coin. It will bring quick sellers to dump coins for profit. Im here for the long haul, and i want to see this point succeed. This means Site on Chain, Secure Messaging, Etc. In addition the coin supply is meant to be larger than most others, due to the fact that the functionality they are working on will cost something to use. Just part of the uniqueness of this coin.
This is just my 2 cents.
October 26, 2016, 11:24:56 PM
Could be 50% burn 50% keep for bounties and future promotions
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
This is also an option, thanks for coming around and rebutling with us
Let's see how this develops so we can have a plan of action by the end of the swap.Yeah the ESP2 chain rushed before the recent softfork with Patch 5. The new v0.8.4.3 will address the last of the chain speed instabilities. Can't wait to finish the damn thing.
Could be 50% burn 50% keep for bounties and future promotions
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
Isn't any effect that would be achieved by burning (reducing coins) already done by doing the 10:1 swap in the first place? What will a little more reduction achieve really? If there is an opportunity for this coin and community to benefit from a promotional fund shouldn't that path be taken rather than a path with negligible effect on the coin or even potentially slowing development? Consider 250million coins just a little in the direction of those that favoured no swap in the first place - on balance we should be focusing on these coins circulating, not the total somewhat up or down
It wouldn't have an affect to the market but it's still doable as a compromise, remember we have to try and keep everyone happy. All people have different opinions and we should take them all into account. Let's see what else is said and we'll go from there.
save the coins!
Save the coins!
Thank you guys very much for being responsive and working with us.
October 26, 2016, 10:57:59 PM
save the coins!
October 26, 2016, 10:00:36 PM
Could be 50% burn 50% keep for bounties and future promotions
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
Isn't any effect that would be achieved by burning (reducing coins) already done by doing the 10:1 swap in the first place? What will a little more reduction achieve really? If there is an opportunity for this coin and community to benefit from a promotional fund shouldn't that path be taken rather than a path with negligible effect on the coin or even potentially slowing development? Consider 250million coins just a little in the direction of those that favoured no swap in the first place - on balance we should be focusing on these coins circulating, not the total somewhat up or down
October 26, 2016, 09:01:20 PM
Could be 50% burn 50% keep for bounties and future promotions
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
I think we should burn some for the following reasons:
2 month of miming by both chains (esp1 and esp2)
First days of PoS (before 20000 block) on esp2 chain was generated over 250million coins
October 26, 2016, 06:04:13 PM
I let my ESP2 in novaexchange
October 26, 2016, 05:55:52 PM
I Would recommend NOT burning. simply because the coins would Not go to developers, but rather the community. it would allow the devs to test, give out, support and effectively promote the entire Espers Project.
i personally believe this could be invaluable for the project. but again the community has the final say. if the community as a whole tells to either to do it or not to do it we will listen. if it is a near tie, then the dev team will have the final say. therefore please voice your opinions, alternate solutions, or even a counter argument.
i personally believe this could be invaluable for the project. but again the community has the final say. if the community as a whole tells to either to do it or not to do it we will listen. if it is a near tie, then the dev team will have the final say. therefore please voice your opinions, alternate solutions, or even a counter argument.
October 26, 2016, 05:51:05 PM
If we burn:
- Everyone hardforks and chain is completely re-calibrated (hardcap must be redone or the chain will never reach the 50B intended Cap)
- This will cause delay in development as there will need to be time put in for updating, upgrading all nodes and informing all exchanges, service providers of hardfork.
- The Devs go back to raising funds for giveaways and promotions as we would all only have our personal balances like before and hence why there were little bounties ever tied to this, everything else was given away
- On the positive the chain will payout longer before hardcapping.
If we DONT burn:
- Development can focus on features and updates
- The chain technically would have picked up where it left off (as ESP2 was premined the same amount as ESP1 will be mined out to as of the end of swap date)
- Unswapped Espers2 would go into a community voted upon "trust" address. Where they would sit in stasis only being scraped at for community agreed upon faucets, giveaways, competitions and such (THIS WOULD BE A COMMUNITY FUND)
- Overall market value doesn't become affected as the unswapped coins will never be spent by the dev team in any markets yet current and new users would benefit from being able to run faucets and the like.
After a quick read-through, I'm leaning more towards NOT burning. The positives seem to outweigh those of burning - and a community fund would undoubtedly benefit the coin & community if properly utilized. Burning ESP seems to be way too much effort for not much reward. Why go back to raising funds (if choosing to burn) when we could have a trust address filled with ESP? Those coins could be used for bringing in new members as stated above - giveaways (and faucets, promos, etc.) is what made ESP so popular in the first place
Waiting to hear other's input before I keep blabbering!
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