[ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts - page 273.

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 08, 2016, 12:51:30 PM

Again, whg, vitalik, the foundation... they are irrelevant to these 1000 etc.

I understand there is some kind of code among thieves, but to the rest of us this matter is pretty simple.

Actually the matter isn't simple. If you want to take part in the conversation you can find it on the slack. I have already expressed my opinion about what to do with the funds, but there are a LOT of opinions on what to do. Some of the ideas are better than others, but it is a very lively debate.

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Again, whg, vitalik, the foundation... they are irrelevant to these 1000 etc.

I understand there is some kind of code among thieves, but to the rest of us this matter is pretty simple.

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Actually the WHG stole the funds, and are demanding that ETC turn over the 1000 ETC donation. That is RICH. Your all a bunch of crooks. PERIOD.

Now as to the disposition of the ETC donation there is a very lively discussion going on right now about what to do with those funds. They are frozen pending a decision. It is clear the ETC DEV's are NOT going to keep or use the funds. Unlike the WHG which has already stated they are going to steal anything that is not claimed from their stolen loot.

What to do with the ETC donation is being sorted out as we speak. You know, with a community, and honest feedback. You know this thing that ETH used to understand as consensus.

The opinions are diverse and it is clear there will not be a universally accepted solution, but a decision will get made and it won't be for personal gain or to use it as a method to attack other communities...

You want to talk high ground then force the WHG to return all funds they stole... Then lets talk about moral authority in these matters.

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What are you guys talking about?

What does Vitalik and the foundation have to do with this?

You take stolen money from criminals.

Which means:

You are criminals.

I've eli5'd it to you now. That's all I've got.

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 08, 2016, 11:50:52 AM

Quote from: pawlo74 on September 07, 2016, 04:05:08 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on September 06, 2016, 09:54:52 PM

https://blog.bity.com/2016/09/06/whitehat-withdrawal-contract-final-deposit-is-available/

The DarkDAO attacker withdrew 3.64 million ETC on September 6th 00:02 CET.
The funds are now located inside this address 0x5e8f0e63e7614c47079a41ad4c37be7def06df5a. At the time of writing most of the funds are intact except for 1,000 ETC the attacker donated to an address associated with ETC development. The WHG kindly ask that the recipient of these funds deposit the 1000 ETC to the withdraw contract so it can be distributed to its rightful owners.

DO NOT FORGET CODE IS LAW

We are not law enforcement or police and first of all we believe he is not hacker or attacker but very talented person who kindly helped us find bug in the system and should be awarded for this not punished!

Oh man! The stupidity of this lot knows no boundaries. Code is code and law is law. You are knowingly acquiring stolen goods.

@Charles Hoskinson

Do you see now what a bunch of crooks you've allied yourself with?

Pardon me but the ETH Foundation has revealed itself to be the biggest crooks of all, so please get off your high horse and kindly go insert a sharp metal implement where the sun doesn't shine......

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Quote from: pawlo74 on September 07, 2016, 04:05:08 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on September 06, 2016, 09:54:52 PM

https://blog.bity.com/2016/09/06/whitehat-withdrawal-contract-final-deposit-is-available/

The DarkDAO attacker withdrew 3.64 million ETC on September 6th 00:02 CET.
The funds are now located inside this address 0x5e8f0e63e7614c47079a41ad4c37be7def06df5a. At the time of writing most of the funds are intact except for 1,000 ETC the attacker donated to an address associated with ETC development. The WHG kindly ask that the recipient of these funds deposit the 1000 ETC to the withdraw contract so it can be distributed to its rightful owners.

DO NOT FORGET CODE IS LAW

We are not law enforcement or police and first of all we believe he is not hacker or attacker but very talented person who kindly helped us find bug in the system and should be awarded for this not punished!

Oh man! The stupidity of this lot knows no boundaries. Code is code and law is law. You are knowingly acquiring stolen goods.

@Charles Hoskinson

Do you see now what a bunch of crooks you've allied yourself with?

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Quote from: roselee on September 06, 2016, 01:39:21 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on September 06, 2016, 11:21:29 AM

Quote from: roselee on September 06, 2016, 05:18:37 AM

Quote from: Anon136 on September 06, 2016, 02:38:46 AM

Quote from: malekbaba on September 06, 2016, 02:17:38 AM

I think ETC should not receive or return the reward from the hacker.

The whole point of this project is to stand behind the principles that imply that he is not a hacker at all. Those funds legitimately belong to him. He can do as he likes with them.

mmmmm sorry i dont think thats what ETC sais ETC sais we are not the law like in lawenvorcement. but the line code is law means something different it means the blockchain is immutable the ledger shall not be changed. we do not say we know if the hack or the takeing was a crime . there need to be an investigation. we are not the despot to decide . every person has a right of a objective investigation and a trail befor anounced guilty. and thats why ETC happend. not becouse we say its legal what the "hacker" did. me thinks given the evidence that have been published he took them legit but moraly hmmm or ethicaly not correct.becouse if the code was supost to act like it did the whole thing the dao was created like a fraud. and so he followed the fraud. was just faster then the one who planed to do the fraud.

Sorry but I disagree. The main point of ethereum is to develop an autonomous legal system. As per the terms of that legal system, the only legal system that has jurisdiction in matters of the ethereum blockchain, the "hacker" was within legal bounds. If some outside legal agency wants to interfere with the self governence of the sovereign ethereum blockchain than they are aggressors.

hmm interesting point of view you have.
ok lets say you are right and it was ment to be a autonomous legal system ( didnt see that in the white paper but anyway)
how can such a system prevent fraud ? like i said befor if the hacker acted legal the whole dao was fraud haveing that bug on purpose.

It's not about what it says in the white paper. It's about what it is. Smart contracts are contracts. Its right there in the name. Contracts operate within a legal framework. Miners have a consensus algorythm that they use to resolve contracts. The consensus algorythm is a body of law. The contracts are the tools written within that framework of a body of law.

So there was an accidental flaw in a contract that someone developed with the expectation that it would operate in a certain way (a way in which it infact did not operate) within the legal system that is the consensus algorythm deployed my miners for interpreting contracts. You dont get to just ex post facto change laws and then retroactively apply them because there was something wrong with a contract. Thats insane.

The whole point of this project was to create contract interpretation that its insulated from the subjective whims and interpretations of man. That is a strength and a weakness. You dont get to have your cake and eat it too. The ethereum project chose what we have already had for millennia. This project chose the way they professed to believe in before it was inconvenient.

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Quote from: greenuser on September 08, 2016, 09:56:22 AM

Quote from: Longsnowsm on September 08, 2016, 09:44:07 AM

@greenuser Just wanted to mention the hardware wallet that supports ETC. It is the Ledger Nano S. I am waiting for mine to arrive, but thought maybe it might be something you put in your post with all the ETC info for those people looking for a hardware wallet for the additional security.

https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s

No problem, all done. Wink

It would be nice for a bit of a revew when it comes?

The markets look interesting today i see.

I will be glad to do a review of it when it arrives. Also someone just posted Ethereum Harmony on Slack looks pretty slick... If only I knew how to use it! ROFL

https://github.com/ether-camp/ethereum-harmony

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Quote from: Longsnowsm on September 08, 2016, 09:44:07 AM

@greenuser Just wanted to mention the hardware wallet that supports ETC. It is the Ledger Nano S. I am waiting for mine to arrive, but thought maybe it might be something you put in your post with all the ETC info for those people looking for a hardware wallet for the additional security.

https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s

No problem, all done. Wink

It would be nice for a bit of a revew when it comes?

The markets look interesting today i see.

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@greenuser Just wanted to mention the hardware wallet that supports ETC. It is the Ledger Nano S. I am waiting for mine to arrive, but thought maybe it might be something you put in your post with all the ETC info for those people looking for a hardware wallet for the additional security.

https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s

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Mrpumperitis= manipulated bug in the DAO contract

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Quote from: Mrpumperitis on September 07, 2016, 06:28:39 PM

Quote from: greenuser on September 07, 2016, 11:40:39 AM

Quote from: pawlo74 on September 07, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

Quote from: roselee on September 07, 2016, 05:28:13 AM

Quote from: pawlo74 on September 07, 2016, 04:05:08 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on September 06, 2016, 09:54:52 PM

https://blog.bity.com/2016/09/06/whitehat-withdrawal-contract-final-deposit-is-available/

The DarkDAO attacker withdrew 3.64 million ETC on September 6th 00:02 CET.
The funds are now located inside this address 0x5e8f0e63e7614c47079a41ad4c37be7def06df5a. At the time of writing most of the funds are intact except for 1,000 ETC the attacker donated to an address associated with ETC development. The WHG kindly ask that the recipient of these funds deposit the 1000 ETC to the withdraw contract so it can be distributed to its rightful owners.

DO NOT FORGET CODE IS LAW

We are not law enforcement or police and first of all we believe he is not hacker or attacker but very talented person who kindly helped us find bug in the system and should be awarded for this not punished!

who is we ?

ETC community, is it not? Than me! If this is not what ETC community feels like so my mistake and I should not be here. I was mislead to think like it.

I see that there are people in the ETC community that have strong opinions! Also some,.. like myself, have no opinion at all as I did not invest in the Dao. However, we have no Centralized Governance. We have no "man at the top". We have no hierarchy to make that call.

I understand your plead @Mrpumperitis for the 1000etc but, I do not recognise your self proclaimed authority as the Ethereum Foundation Spokesperson.

If the Foundation want to beg for the 1000etc, let the person at the the center of the Ethereum Foundation step forward and kneel before us all. They will have to make their case to every etc miner, holder and supporter and gain agreement among each and every one of us before they can change the direction of the 1000etc in question.

The 1000etc was donated for development. Anyone that wants it to go elsewhere, well they will have to join us, lobby, campaign, argue and gain conscientious among all the etc community, before it will ever happen.

Quoted from Ethereum Classic Website https://ethereumclassic.github.io/

Decentralized Governance

"There are many problems that fester due to centralization and opaqueness; corruption, unaccountability, nepotism, inefficiency and stagnation. Ultimately, centralization leads to fragility; only decentralized systems can stand the test of time.

These problems can be only solved by adhering to governance systems that do not rely on a central point of failure. Just like distributed networks and the consensus protocol itself, we believe that only truly decentralized projects can survive in the long run.

Ethereum Classic manifests these values by relinquishing control by a formalized central foundation. The only hierarchy is that of transparent meritocracy and mutual reputation. No backroom deals or behind-closed-doors unilateral decision making; just free and open discourse".

wow , what a load of garbage you talk... are you etc spokesperson?
Basically if etc anon devs have any credability, they would give the funds back to the owners and if they want, contact a lawyer.
Stealing other peoples money by etc devs makes this scam look more obvious and it will def hold you all back from making any progress.

Charles, Barry, Toadie, hope you guys have something to say about this

Calm down you fiat fanboy. You already refunded DAO holders with your ETF Bernanke like fake money from thin air though! DAO have no more rights for any claims. Hands off from our ETC!

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Quote from: greenuser on September 07, 2016, 11:40:39 AM

Quote from: pawlo74 on September 07, 2016, 05:38:51 AM

Quote from: roselee on September 07, 2016, 05:28:13 AM

Quote from: pawlo74 on September 07, 2016, 04:05:08 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on September 06, 2016, 09:54:52 PM

https://blog.bity.com/2016/09/06/whitehat-withdrawal-contract-final-deposit-is-available/

The DarkDAO attacker withdrew 3.64 million ETC on September 6th 00:02 CET.
The funds are now located inside this address 0x5e8f0e63e7614c47079a41ad4c37be7def06df5a. At the time of writing most of the funds are intact except for 1,000 ETC the attacker donated to an address associated with ETC development. The WHG kindly ask that the recipient of these funds deposit the 1000 ETC to the withdraw contract so it can be distributed to its rightful owners.

DO NOT FORGET CODE IS LAW

We are not law enforcement or police and first of all we believe he is not hacker or attacker but very talented person who kindly helped us find bug in the system and should be awarded for this not punished!

who is we ?

ETC community, is it not? Than me! If this is not what ETC community feels like so my mistake and I should not be here. I was mislead to think like it.

I see that there are people in the ETC community that have strong opinions! Also some,.. like myself, have no opinion at all as I did not invest in the Dao. However, we have no Centralized Governance. We have no "man at the top". We have no hierarchy to make that call.

I understand your plead @Mrpumperitis for the 1000etc but, I do not recognise your self proclaimed authority as the Ethereum Foundation Spokesperson.

If the Foundation want to beg for the 1000etc, let the person at the the center of the Ethereum Foundation step forward and kneel before us all. They will have to make their case to every etc miner, holder and supporter and gain agreement among each and every one of us before they can change the direction of the 1000etc in question.

The 1000etc was donated for development. Anyone that wants it to go elsewhere, well they will have to join us, lobby, campaign, argue and gain conscientious among all the etc community, before it will ever happen.

Quoted from Ethereum Classic Website https://ethereumclassic.github.io/

Decentralized Governance

"There are many problems that fester due to centralization and opaqueness; corruption, unaccountability, nepotism, inefficiency and stagnation. Ultimately, centralization leads to fragility; only decentralized systems can stand the test of time.

These problems can be only solved by adhering to governance systems that do not rely on a central point of failure. Just like distributed networks and the consensus protocol itself, we believe that only truly decentralized projects can survive in the long run.

Ethereum Classic manifests these values by relinquishing control by a formalized central foundation. The only hierarchy is that of transparent meritocracy and mutual reputation. No backroom deals or behind-closed-doors unilateral decision making; just free and open discourse".

wow , what a load of garbage you talk... are you etc spokesperson?
Basically if etc anon devs have any credability, they would give the funds back to the owners and if they want, contact a lawyer.
Stealing other peoples money by etc devs makes this scam look more obvious and it will def hold you all back from making any progress.

Charles, Barry, Toadie, hope you guys have something to say about this

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Etc dev team is getting huge this is a very good time to invest as much of the initial uncertainty is now assuaged. I'll grab a small position of 5 btc to show my support for this project now that real developer foundations are established.

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