[ANN] FutureBit Moonlander 2: The Most Powerful and Efficient USB Stick Miner! - page 32.

Astrali

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can anyone give a tutorial on how to run and projection of how much one of these can produce in terms of LTC per month?

Should I run on a separate computer or my main computer?

if you dont mind running your main computer 24/7 you can do it on your main computer. Ram and CPU usage wont disturb you on daily usage.

i found what you need here: https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/ltc?HashingPower=5&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=6&CostPerkWh=0.1

Mined/month
Ł 0.1040

Greetings - Astrali

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Quote from: jstefanop on September 03, 2017, 10:43:28 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on September 03, 2017, 03:34:35 AM

USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

Powered hubs would be a better option.

On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?

I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink

Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was massive success and wont be stopping here

I have to wonder how well a "pod" designed to upgrade the Gridseed "80" blade units would sell....

(hint)

9-)

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Quote from: soulful100 on September 04, 2017, 12:40:12 AM

For those that aren't able to place a pre-order, when's the next estimated date the Moonlander 2 would be available again?

+1

Pre-order is officially sold out everywhere (distributors and additional orders I could take). More stock will be available for immediate shipment once units are in production in November...keep in mind that all pre-order units will be shipped first, so can't say exactly when we will be able to sell more past pre-order units. Will have more updates closers to October/November.

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Oh, you have to be kidding. There is no way to buy 1 unit just for fun? What a people...

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Quote from: benjamin07 on September 04, 2017, 03:15:27 AM

Quote from: jstefanop on September 03, 2017, 10:43:28 PM

I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink

Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was massive success and wont be stopping here

I did not receive instructions how to send the payment for the preorder (?), just saying it here in case others have not received instructions as well

You have to buy them from the vendors listed on the op.

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Astrali

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would have bought 2 more before its sold out but payment option paypal just vanished - wrote mail to receive support - sold out.
Damn! Cheesy

so i have to be happy with 1 i ordered and paid ..

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Quote from: jstefanop on September 03, 2017, 10:43:28 PM

I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink

Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was massive success and wont be stopping here

I did not receive instructions how to send the payment for the preorder (?), just saying it here in case others have not received instructions as well

soulful100

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For those that aren't able to place a pre-order, when's the next estimated date the Moonlander 2 would be available again?

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Quote from: jstefanop on September 03, 2017, 10:43:28 PM

Quote from: QuintLeo on September 03, 2017, 03:34:35 AM

USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

Powered hubs would be a better option.

On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?

I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink

Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was massive success and wont be stopping here

if you get enough chips you should think about boards to fit in old s3 and s5 antminers..
id love to refit my old s3 into a scrypt miner

jstefanop

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Quote from: QuintLeo on September 03, 2017, 03:34:35 AM

USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

Powered hubs would be a better option.

On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?

I have to ship out all these sticks you guys ordered first Wink

Definitely stay tuned though...this pre-order was massive success and wont be stopping here

jstefanop

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Quote from: benjamin07 on September 02, 2017, 07:42:12 PM

Quote from: jstefanop on September 02, 2017, 11:30:46 AM

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Quote from: ivymoss on September 02, 2017, 10:53:56 AM

Hi all. For running these, is there any reason to get the usb 3.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Charging-Adapter-Support/dp/B00RM5OF70/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504363970&sr=8-4&keywords=plugable+usb+3.0+hub) instead of the usb 2.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Charging-Adapter-Support-Android/dp/B00L2LK164)?

Your second link does not work (page not found) but the OP is shipping the devices with a USB 2.0 connector so even if your hub is 3.0, the miners will not have the additional pins to the USB 3.0-specific protocol. But the 3.0 only if you want future proofing but I would recommend getting the USB 2.0.

Actually you WANT a 3.0 hub, since these hubs are usually rated for 1+ Amps. Even though the miner does not use 3.0 data speeds, it does pull alot of power for USB obviously, so a 2.0 hub might not provide enough power.

Question 1
Thank you for the clarification, I deleted my message to avoid confusion but can you please clarify/recommend what to use to get the maximym power?

From what I gathered in the OP @ 1.5W per MH/s:

Hashing Speed	Power	Amps
2 MH/s	2 x 1.5 W = 3 W	3 W / 5V = 0.6 A
3 MH/s	3 x 1.5 W = 4.5 W	4.5 W / 5V = 0.9 A
5 MH/s	5 x 1.5 W = 7.5 W	7.5 W / 5V = 1.5 A
6 MH/s	6 x 1.5 W = 9 W	9 W / 5V = 1.8 A

It seems that a normal USB 3.0 with 900 mA can only drive the unit at 3 MH/s steady state, anything above that will need a powered USB hub as "Y" cables don't work in USBs.

The hub in the amazon link was 7 ports 60 W = 8.5 W per port so it can drive the unit up to theoretical speed 8.5 / 1.5 = 5.7 MHs

Is this correct?

Question 2
In your demo screen the title bar states ... "ethminer" can these sticks be used for anything other than scrypt?

The 1.5w/MH figure does not scale. For example at about 3MH its 1.3w/MH, but at 5 MH it approaches 2w/MH. The 6MH is also not sustainable long term...that was me just showing how far the hardware can be pushed.

Ethminer is just the hostname of one of my dev systems (that also happens to mine ethereum with its GPU). Has nothing to do with this stick and it can only mine scrypt coins.

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Quote from: klaaas on September 02, 2017, 09:51:20 AM

Quote from: soulful100 on September 01, 2017, 11:39:23 PM

Man this thing sold out fast Grin

Max you can add to your cart on the moment is 253 pieces.

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USB 3.0 spec is for a max of 900 ma (0.9 amps) of 5V supply - there are variant "charging" USB 3 ports that are designed for higher though, but not all motherboards have them and not all that DO have them have all of the ports as "charging" capable.

Powered hubs would be a better option.

On a separate subject, is there any chance of a "pod" or "blade" version of this, along the lines of the old Gridseed GC3344 based units?

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Quote from: jstefanop on September 02, 2017, 11:30:46 AM

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Quote from: ivymoss on September 02, 2017, 10:53:56 AM

Hi all. For running these, is there any reason to get the usb 3.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Charging-Adapter-Support/dp/B00RM5OF70/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504363970&sr=8-4&keywords=plugable+usb+3.0+hub) instead of the usb 2.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Charging-Adapter-Support-Android/dp/B00L2LK164)?

Your second link does not work (page not found) but the OP is shipping the devices with a USB 2.0 connector so even if your hub is 3.0, the miners will not have the additional pins to the USB 3.0-specific protocol. But the 3.0 only if you want future proofing but I would recommend getting the USB 2.0.

Actually you WANT a 3.0 hub, since these hubs are usually rated for 1+ Amps. Even though the miner does not use 3.0 data speeds, it does pull alot of power for USB obviously, so a 2.0 hub might not provide enough power.

Question 1
Thank you for the clarification, I deleted my message to avoid confusion but can you please clarify/recommend what to use to get the maximym power?

From what I gathered in the OP @ 1.5W per MH/s:

Hashing Speed	Power	Amps
2 MH/s	2 x 1.5 W = 3 W	3 W / 5V = 0.6 A
3 MH/s	3 x 1.5 W = 4.5 W	4.5 W / 5V = 0.9 A
5 MH/s	5 x 1.5 W = 7.5 W	7.5 W / 5V = 1.5 A
6 MH/s	6 x 1.5 W = 9 W	9 W / 5V = 1.8 A

It seems that a normal USB 3.0 with 900 mA can only drive the unit at 3 MH/s steady state, anything above that will need a powered USB hub as "Y" cables don't work in USBs.

The hub in the amazon link was 7 ports 60 W = 8.5 W per port so it can drive the unit up to theoretical speed 8.5 / 1.5 = 5.7 MHs

Is this correct?

Question 2
In your demo screen the title bar states ... "ethminer" can these sticks be used for anything other than scrypt?

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Quote from: n00bminer on September 02, 2017, 10:45:12 AM

Do we know the outer dimensions yet? length, width, circumference, outer diameter? I need to develop some sort of rack to hold a few in place for airflow while using extended cables for the hub.

Demensions are very similar to original moonlander

Width: 25mm, Length: 58mm, Hight with heatsink will be about 20-30mm (still finalizing heatsink design for these). Components on other side of PCB stick out another 5mm or so.

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Quote from: ivymoss on September 02, 2017, 10:53:56 AM

Hi all. For running these, is there any reason to get the usb 3.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Charging-Adapter-Support/dp/B00RM5OF70/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504363970&sr=8-4&keywords=plugable+usb+3.0+hub) instead of the usb 2.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Charging-Adapter-Support-Android/dp/B00L2LK164)?

Your second link does not work (page not found) but the OP is shipping the devices with a USB 2.0 connector so even if your hub is 3.0, the miners will not have the additional pins to the USB 3.0-specific protocol. But the 3.0 only if you want future proofing but I would recommend getting the USB 2.0.

Actually you WANT a 3.0 hub, since these hubs are usually rated for 1+ Amps. Even though the miner does not use 3.0 data speeds, it does pull alot of power for USB obviously, so a 2.0 hub might not provide enough power.

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Hi all. For running these, is there any reason to get the usb 3.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-SuperSpeed-Charging-Adapter-Support/dp/B00RM5OF70/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504363970&sr=8-4&keywords=plugable+usb+3.0+hub) instead of the usb 2.0 plugable (https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Charging-Adapter-Support-Android/dp/B00L2LK164)?

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Do we know the outer dimensions yet? length, width, circumference, outer diameter? I need to develop some sort of rack to hold a few in place for airflow while using extended cables for the hub.

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Quote from: soulful100 on September 01, 2017, 11:39:23 PM

Man this thing sold out fast Grin

Still some around at bitshopper ; )

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Quote from: dragonmike on September 01, 2017, 05:53:40 AM

EUR 64 + shipping huh. That's $80 a pop.
That's a year to break even at current difficulty levels.

Think long and hard, guys.

What better product is there? (the OP says they are even more efficient than Bitmain)

EDIT: I understand ROI vs difficulty and these are not in one's control (can't keep more people from coming on board). The difficulty will increase in when all these USBs hit the market but I expect the opposite as the older versions become less and less profitable the owners will pull the plug.

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