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Topic: [ANN] [ICO CLOSED] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy - page 17. (Read 109150 times)

legendary
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Hi, any idea when the ETH payback procedure will be announced?

I'm also waiting to hear how to get back my ETH. So have patience we will get information about this procedure to get back our coins back into account. But I have sent from exchange wallet.
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 553
Glad i didn't put in
member
Activity: 252
Merit: 47
Hi, any idea when the ETH payback procedure will be announced?
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 252
it is a case of ICO fatigue.

too many ICOs and people have most of their BTC locked in other useless tokens
legendary
Activity: 1045
Merit: 1000
if the concept would work, they would be getting VC money or enough support. it seems, thats not the case.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 250
can I remove my signature now?

Yes you can.

Why not send back, what was sent in from same address.. What is all this fuss about.

Not everyone used their personal wallets. Many had used exchanges to directly invest. So it is not possible to return all investments to save Bitcoin address.
sr. member
Activity: 742
Merit: 252
Why not send back, what was sent in from same address.. What is all this fuss about.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 500
can I remove my signature now?
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 500
ico not successful, when the refund even loss because of the cost involved pieces. how this dev? I just deposit 0.02+, the BTC and eth. and that all of the excange, to deposit Huh Huh
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Full stack ICO tools & services
=COME ON  ETH refund....why we have to wait so long ??

Johann is online with me, he needs some time to prepare the refund rules i think
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 250
I also invested 0.02 btc and due to refund rules I should burn 0.01 Huh? 50% Huh
Yes, it's not big amount..but in my country it's some money I can live for!
Take a fee 0.001 btc, but not 50% !!!
This is unacceptable!  Angry


Would the charges for each participant be separate or escrow would charge as while.

I mean, total investments were more than $50,000. Doesn't it mean that fee be 0.5% ?
Or it individual amounts would be considered for fee rates?

0.01 Bitcoin for each participant would be very much. This means escrow gets about 10 Bitcoin.

But, 0.01 bitcoin can only get you a meal at a small restuarant ,not much.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
=COME ON  ETH refund....why we have to wait so long ??
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 503
The refund rules are not acceptable...

you can take a bitcoin network fee of 20k satoshis and nothing more than that.


Will never invest in such ICOs
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
I also invested 0.02 btc and due to refund rules I should burn 0.01 Huh? 50% Huh
Yes, it's not big amount..but in my country it's some money I can live for!
Take a fee 0.001 btc, but not 50% !!!
This is unacceptable!  Angry

haha same problem ,, im try to invest 0.01 btc and fee 0,01 btc to refund  And I do not get anything ,, Truly great benefits esscrow
full member
Activity: 201
Merit: 100
I also invested 0.02 btc and due to refund rules I should burn 0.01 Huh? 50% Huh
Yes, it's not big amount..but in my country it's some money I can live for!
Take a fee 0.001 btc, but not 50% !!!
This is unacceptable!  Angry
newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
Hello everyone, Sergey told me that there is some kind of confusion about how the refund of Bitcoins will happen. This only applies to BITCOIN REFUNDS.

Everyone who wanted to invest was asked to read my escrow rules before investing. Those rules contained the parts about refunds. Which means refunds have to be proven. We escrows can't possibly trust on data we receive from the devs of inchain. This would negate the whole purpose of an escrow and would put every real investor and the escrows in high risks of being scammed. Instead everyone was asked to invest with some kind of proof being possible. These are:

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First way:

Only send Bitcoins from an address you can sign a private message from or at least where you are able to get the private key for that address! This is important since in case of REFUND you can't proof otherwise that you sent bitcoins when you, for example, sent the bitcoins directly from an Exchange. In that case better send them first to your wallet and then from there to the escrow address.

For information about what you need to sign a message you can check out this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-sign-a-message-990345

Second way:

Another alternative to proof your ownership of a payment would be to send me the last 4 numbers of your user id as satoshies in your transaction.

Move your mouse over my username, see my profile id is 18640. You can see yours when you are in your profile and hover the mouse over the links on the left menu. Something like u=18640 in the links show your User-ID. The last 4 digits are 8640. When you add these 4 numbers as satoshies to your payment then it is pretty sure it's your payment too.

For example you want to send 2 bitcoins and your profile id would be 18640 then you send 2.00008640 Bitcoin.

Those investments can be seen as proven to be invested by the person who asks for a refund when one of these ways can be shown.

Everyone who can't do that has to contact me also:
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Refunds possible?

Refunds can only be done in case the issuer agrees or there are reasons to stop the ICO by the escrow, because there came up doubts that make the ICO too insecure to proceed.

As long as you did not verify your investment transaction in some way I will see your investment as unverified. Otherwise it could mean a random person could claim an investment as his investment and steal it from a shareholder.

Refunds can only be done instantly when you can proof ownership of the investment. Either by signing a message from the sending bitcoin address or by your investment amount matching your forum user id. See description about verification above.

If you can't proof the ownership of an investment and a refund needs to be done then you need to wait some weeks so that the risk of being scammed is lower for me and the (potential real) owner of that investment. You would want I protect your investment too when someone claims it was his investment and only can show the transaction id, right?

As everyone would have noted already. Refunds take an immense amount of time for the escrows, which is why many escrows does not like ICO's. Escrows can't simply make it easy because the risk of being scammed is high then.

Like stated in escrow details there is a refund fee which is a minimum of 0.01BTC or the following fee structure, whatever is higher:

>=$500,001 = 0,5%
$500,000 - $50,001 = 1%
$50,000 - $10,001 = 2%
$10,000 - $1,001 = 3%
$1,000 - $101 => 5%
<=$100 => 10%


In any case, please contact my via pm about this. I will take notes of everything and let you know if something more is required. I will check those pm and emails as soon as possible.
I deposited on 27.10.2016 0.02392296 BTC from 1PRrPuHvwAMGYG6A24HoPzG3QgcdYJpc56 to 3EAH5GnxYqYHNZg25wo2LGwxWoo3ibeeQ3 and i want a full refund to my Bitcoin deposit adress 1PRrPuHvwAMGYG6A24HoPzG3QgcdYJpc56. My inchain email is [email protected] and  I want my bitcoin back!
newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
Since TwinWinNerD and Iam escrowed the Bitcoins for this ICO here are the details we would ask when the refunds are allowed:

Please check my escrow details post for bitcoin investments at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16693763 and check out the part investor safety and provide proof about your investments. Send the proof directly to me via pm. I will handle the tracking of all infos about bitcoin refunds for inchain.
You don't need to bother TwinWinNerD additionally.
I deposited on 27.10.2016 0.02392296 BTC from 1PRrPuHvwAMGYG6A24HoPzG3QgcdYJpc56 to 3EAH5GnxYqYHNZg25wo2LGwxWoo3ibeeQ3 and i want a full refund to my Bitcoin deposit adress 1PRrPuHvwAMGYG6A24HoPzG3QgcdYJpc56. I want my bitcoin back!
sr. member
Activity: 742
Merit: 252
- Sent from exchange.
- There is no private key on this exchange wallet.. Or where is?
- The investment was sent before being aware of the refund informations on this forum; directly following the guide on inchain.io website on how to invest in the ico.

What method for us it is: so far Sebastian hasn't said anything to these who sent from an exchange.


full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Full stack ICO tools & services
Is it refunded according to the delivery address? I was sent from the exchange! Sad

Hi

BTC refund instruction: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16980778
ETH refund instruction coming...
sr. member
Activity: 536
Merit: 250
Is it refunded according to the delivery address? I was sent from the exchange! Sad
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