Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 109. (Read 196191 times)

Confusion from James and the nokoiners,
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-about-a-weekly-update-by-dev-as-far-as-the-progress-being-made/1245/63

rdhamilton1981
"What's the price on the 6th?"
and later,
"Those of us who bought before the presale bought in at a penny per coin. I want to buy more and was hoping the launch would start there"

James mod
"I'm going to buy more when the coin launches and I think the price is going to start at $.01 and the be subject to market swings based on demand. I bought during the pre-sale but not as much as I wanted. Got a nice chunk of change ready for the launch.I don't know what exchanges it will be listed on yet."

Sorry, but nokoin never really was "a penny" and never really will be priced against the $
It is priced in btc, and always will be.

Sandrines price explanation, http://forum.neucoin.org/t/the-neucoin-pre-sale-price-is-going-to-be-01-what-do-you-think-of-that-valuation/148/106
went from,
"The price will indeed start at $0.01" -not true-
to,
"The price will start at 25,000 NeuCoin tokens per Bitcoin (approximately $.01 per NeuCoin)" -true-...when it was posted at presale.

I know it's confusing, that's the nokoin way. Transparently confusing. Using both sides of the arguement again.

If it is "about a penny", then nokoin is down about 15% on btc.
If it is "25k nokoin per btc", then nokoin is up about 15% on the $.

It is neither.
At launch nokoin will be priced at "hopefully, something around 25k nokoin per btc, based on presale price"
Problem is, btc price has moved on from $230ish at presale to $290ish today.

Has nokoin price moved on too?
30k+ nokoin per btc?

edit- baby mod will probably know, if he can give answers like this, well...
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-many-transactions-per-second-will-neucoin-be-able-to-process/977/4

Sandrine,

As Torrgeek say's " neucoin has problems with communicating things clearly and on time. That is definitely an issue" other nokoiners and bcters say the same kind of thing.
And you agree, "right now, just prior to launch, the priority is not communication"
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268

But you STILL say,"People who have questions on Bitcointalk are free to come join us here and ask their questions. The core team (and moderators if they have answers) will be happy to answer or to take part in the debate. This is the primary place to come and get information about NeuCoin."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-about-a-weekly-update-by-dev-as-far-as-the-progress-being-made/1245/56

So,"The core team (and moderators if they have answers) will be happy to answer" really? lets take a look.
http://forum.neucoin.org/about (some of the core team are listed as mods, I think because the $100pm forum software package only allows 5 admins!)

Core team activity,
dank - 1 post in 6 months, followed by 3 bans
johan - 0 posts
ludpo - 0 posts
arcansis - 3 posts in 6 months
ophelie - 7 posts in 6 months
kourosh - last posted 7 weeks ago

That just leaves You and Mark. Hmm..

And mods activity,
whateveryousayman - last post 7 weeks ago
m3ndi3 - last post 2 weeks ago

That leaves Dart, James and baby. I would converse with Dart, but James and BABY, Hmm..

So, now the bi-weekly update,
You said," From now on, brief bi-weekly updates will also be posted until the launch" http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268
The last update concluded "More updates to come! In the meantime, feel free to ask any questions" http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268/16
No updates have come.
(BTW not one nokoiner has had the balls to mentioned the "B" word... bi-weekly update. Heads, Buried, Sand)

You cannot have it both ways, either you are communicating or you are not.
Its clear to me you are not.

STOP SAYING COME TO NOKOIN FORUM TO GET INFO.
NOBODY CAN GET INFO THERE, HERE, OR ANYWHERE.

Sandrine- Marketing speak- FUD- BS

right, because it's no longer as much fun to talk about Mark Karpeles.

You guys are pretty redundant, but you know, I can understand your need to talk about us.

And now for a lil something different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A2moFdM1Yo

But I ain't complaining
We all wanna be famous
So go ahead and say what you wanna say
You know what it's like to be nameless
Want them to know what your name is
...
I see them staring at me
Oh I'm a trendsetter
Yes this is true 'cause what I do, no one can do it better
You can talk about me
'Cause I'm a hot topic
I see you watching me, watching me, and I know you want it.

skyline247 rizz
Jun 21 July 25

Thanks for the update Sandrine kim. It is good to have reassurance that development is not going on. There is so much FUD on nokoin forum right now, it is disheartening, to say the least. I look forward to the refund. Thanks for keeping us updated.

Hi to everyone who is new to NoKoin here!

Just a quick reminder that this thread has been the primary source of discussion regarding NoKoin. The big difference is that here you will be able to discuss freely, ask any questions and expose facts without being censored and banned. Several nokoin forum mods and shills are active in this thread, so you can be sure that both sides are fairly represented here, unlike in the official forum.

If you would rather ignore all the facts presented here and mingle exclusively with nokoin fans, join the official forum. There's just a few of them, so it gets really quiet and you might get bored. You'll have better chances of finding Satoshi Nakamoto than any meaningful updates there. Keep in mind their marketing fuhrer Mark has a track record of offending those who complained about not receiving survey coins and banning users at the drop of a hat. Stating that "harshing on my buzz, dude" as part of the official reason for banning someone just gives an idea of the level of professionalism and maturity you can expect from him.

Also, you might be interested in reading a [40 btc] presale buyer's response on why nokoin has been quieter since the end of the presale, posted on their own forum.

The fact that this thread is far more active than the official forum and most posts here are negative speaks volumes.
Seasoned cryptocurrency users see through the farce easily. Read through the posts here and see how legendary and hero members easily disprove NoKoin's claims of innovation and economic feasibility.

In any case, once again, the core NoKoin team claims to not advocate for blind belief in the project but will gladly ban and censor anyone who dares to criticize or expose them, at the same time heavily relying on meaningless marketing talk to evade the undelivered promises and unproven innovations. They claim they would rather be judged by the on-going developments. Maybe the rationale is that since there has been no developments so far, maybe they assume there will also be no judgements??

In case you are wondering why we call it NoKoin here
http://s17.postimg.org/ugawk5isv/u_https_infotomb_com_gs4ay_png_t_553_c_rv_XBU4.png

Feel free to join us here!

Torgeek,

Just researching nokoin on coindesk, I found this heavily corrected post.
http://www.coindesk.com/uber-hotwire-2-25-million-neucoin/

"Correction: A previous version of this article suggested NeuCoin had raised $2.25m in angel funding. NeuCoin has raised $1m in angel funding, $250,000 in seed funding and raised an additional $1m in its founders' unpaid work."

I personally think this correction was made because of this thread.
This is why I seek clarity, so we may get nearer the truth.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

BTW the "unpaid work" is repaid at launch I believe, so not unpaid at all, just differed?
Another correction required on coindesk?

Fair enough, I get carried away at times,
but to say "I think everyone that has read this thread already knows what you've got to say buddy. ", i'm not so sure.

?You knew I would post about,-?
multiple forum bannings
deleted posts
Marks misleading post(s)
forum "zombies"
forum users, general
conflicting official team/mod lists
unanswered questions, general
tx fee increase
Baby mod
misleading $2.25m claim
unreliable information, general
clarifications
marketing speak
blind faith
innovation
bi-weekly updates
compound interest
launch/refund
foundations
start up risks
transparency
centralization
Dart concerns
Kim
survey problems
faq's
ect.ect.ect.

So you knew all this but didnt tell us? (I would call it a broken record.)
Or didn't know all this but dont care. (Neucoin is going to be what it is going to be)

The idea of a forum is to discuss topics of interest.
How could I put all that clearly in 1 or 2 posts?

Not enough twists and turns, really?
Just stating the same old stuff, really?

haha..I actually enjoy drama as much as the next guy. However, they are only good when there are tons of twists and turns in the plot. Not when it's the same plot being played over and over again. Infact, I wouldn't even call it drama. I would call it a broken record.

we are all obviously addicted to the drama.  does it bother you that we like to rant about the failings here?

NoKoiners are the real fudders!

@rizzlarolla

I think everyone that has read this thread already knows what you've got to say buddy. It is getting a bit tiring now. Why don't we all just calm down and wait for the release, coffee in hand?

Yes, neucoin has problems with communicating things clearly and on time. That is definitely an issue and I think we all get it by now. I would definitely like for communication to be better but I also do realize that it doesn't really help with anything. Neucoin is going to be what it is going to be irrespective of how often we get pre-launch updates.

Just stating the same old stuff again and again and making multiple posts on the same issue simply makes you look desperate and makes the onlooker wonder if you have ulterior motives at hand. Surely you don't, do you? 

nokoin and Sandrine say stuff you cannot rely upon. It makes it so hard to distinguish fact from fiction, no?
(mostly fiction imo)

The latest, and I think quite important, statement made, but not seen through, is this bi-weekly update issue. I just dont understand why, if nokoin were serious, nokoin would keep doing this.?

After much dabate, (for nokoin forum)
 Sandrine says
" From now on, brief bi-weekly updates will also be posted until the launch"
The first was on time,
The second was a bit late,
The third is now very late.

It cant be a bi-weekly update if it doesn't get published every 2 weeks.
Just appease the nokoiners for a bit, then forget it. nokoiners wont be rude enough to complain.

I dont really care, (bar that it confirms my opinions) but if I was in, like primevalsoup, I would be fuming.
This bi-weekly update was agreed because the general lack of communication was starting to nark the nokoiners.
As Sandrine said "right now, just prior to launch, the priority is not communication".
So this update is nokoiners information lifeline.
nokoin won't answer primevalsoup questions. (in 10k+)
nokoin won't update primevalsoup as "promised" (in 10k+)
(M3ndi3 said "Even though it's a "given" that they are working on these things, it's nice to hear that they are working on it. ")
Why, then invite people to nokoin forum to "ask questions". Just seems ridiculous to me. !

Is this not factual?
Am I, as Dart said, "turning facts into fud"?

100% centralized.

you very funny boys 

dont forget sign up and verification email , then you can post on forum , have a nice day

Hi Rago,

To post on the forum, you need first to sign up:

http://i.imgur.com/Cm8TEVz.png

You may already have signed up, so you should also be aware that there are a few restrictions for new forum members, which are default settings of Discourse.org forums (the service we use for this forum).

You will find more information about this here: https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-do-user-trust-levels-do/4924
And here is an excerpt of the forum quick tips:

"Why can't I do certain things?
New users are somewhat limited for safety reasons. As you participate here, you'll gain the trust of the community, become a full citizen, and those limitations will automatically be removed. At a high enough trust level, you'll gain even more abilities to help us manage our community together."

(Full content here: http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-forum-user-quick-tips/968)

WTF WHY I CANNOT POST ON http://forum.neucoin.org  

 ^
 ^
What's the point of joining you on your forum, you palmed primevalsoup off. He is in $10k+. (As I have highlighted)
And banned NomadBR a presale purchaser.   (As I have highlighted)

" the priority is not communication" you just said it.

Why republish old updates? A new Bi-weekly update is overdue.
Have some respect for primevalsoup, Publish your update.
The last update said nothing new, just rehash that again.

When are you selling foundation coin? At launch? Dart thinks not for 1 month. Is that correct?
Ditto founders/Angels/ect?
This must already be decided, why not clear this up?

You, on nokoin forum can think of me as a super troll if you like, but my posts are, in the main, factual, with links and everything.
Dart tries to help us learn to love nokoin, but him imagining something will happen, does not make it so.
As he say's, he is privy to no more info than us here.

Oh, credit where it is due, congrats on getting past the FaQ Google docs in view stage. Quite an achievement for the tech team. (As I have highlighted)
But, come on , how cumbersome to use this is. How little detail it addresses. http://faq.neucoin.org/

nokoin, I just see marketing speak. BS.

edit.
Sandrine, the rest of update 1 (June 21 update) also stated " From now on, brief bi-weekly updates will also be posted until the launch"
It's overdue. Another fail?

Also the rizz quote has additional text? (gives the impression it was replied too?) a typo I guess.

^
can you tell us the after-launch price you have determined?

(I prefer this forum)

Hi to everyone who is new to NeuCoin here!

Just a quick reminder that the primary source of information is http://forum.neucoin.org/. Please join us there if you have any questions or want to start a conversation about NeuCoin.
If you have any urgent or insightful remark, this is the place where you’ll be able to have direct answers from the core NeuCoin team.

Also, you might be interested in reading a few updates that will make you understand why we have been quieter since the end of the presale. Here is the original link:
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pre-launch-updates/1268

And here is an excerpt of the updates:

"June 21st update

Hi everyone!
Below is an update about what the NeuCoin team has been working on since the end of the presale on May 1st.

But first, a little background: the first public phase of the NeuCoin Project - the announcement in February, the release of the Whitepaper at the end of March and the Presale at the end of April - was intense in terms of communication: we needed to get our message out there, explain and get feedback on our vision, concept and technology - and to start building a community around what in many ways is a different approach to cryptocurrency: much more rooted in 2.0 consumer media than in hardcore crypto - not merely a coin, but more importantly an ecosystem of consumer facing products and services. The goal was to present what we intended to build, along with a timeframe for launch: summer 2015.

Given all that communication over February through April, I can understand how there has been some frustration about us not communicating more this past month, and am sorry about this. But right now, just prior to launch, the priority is not communication but the critical tech and business development needed to actually launch in the summer and launch successfully. After the launch, the communication floodgates will open again."
[...] Please have a look at the original thread on our forum for the rest of the post.

"July 6th update

Hi everyone,
Two weeks have already gone by! Here is a short update on what has been going on on our side.
As we get ready for a summer launch, we are pushing forward with all the projects I detailed in my last update, including the cryptocurrency itself, the online wallet and consumer proof-of-stake mining service MyNeuCoin, the consumer onboarding vehicle GetNeuCoin, the games integration initiative PlayNeuCoin and the micropayment platforms for tipping and ad-free premium content.
Our current estimation is that the NeuCoin cryptocurrency, MyNeuCoin and GetNeuCoin will launch between August 6th and August 13th.
We have made significant progress on the tipping platform, PlayNeuCoin and the development of games integrating NeuCoin. We currently have two flagship games in production, which will be rolled out shortly after launch.
More updates to come! In the meantime, feel free to ask any questions!"

******
Here are a couple points about a few remarks that were made here on BTCtalk. Please be aware that I will move relevant conversations over to the NeuCoin forum over time.

• About Daniel Kaufman’s “shady past”:

His involvement in Direct Revenue has always been displayed on our website, nothing we have ever hidden.
This subject has been discussed through and through, here is my answer to this subject:
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-speculation/1209/42
Here is an excerpt:
“Now, here are a few other elements:
- Daniel Kaufman as being a creator of Direct Revenue has always been displayed on our website and has never been a hidden fact.
- Daniel Kaufman is not the only person on this team, we are all working very hard on this project to make it succeed, because we believe in its strategy. I accepted (and was thrilled) to join it because I had seen during my time at Coinbase how difficult Bitcoin was for non-mainstream users and how niche its user base was. So when I was approached by three co-founders (yes three, Dan is not the only co-founder, a point you may have missed) that had a clear and interesting approach in making cryptocurrencies more accessible to everyone in a truly useful manner, I was immediately in. “ [...]

• About the NeuCoin forum:

In any case, once again, as posted on the forum yesterday (http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-about-a-weekly-update-by-dev-as-far-as-the-progress-being-made/1245/57): the core NeuCoin team has never been advocating for blind belief in the project, but we would rather like to be judged on the launch that will happen this summer and on the on-going developments that will be made over time.

Feel free to join us on our forum!