Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 128. (Read 196191 times)

you can do as you please on neu forum. As I have shown there are many more inaccuracies than that.

"Most of Gurkins posts were left untouched."  Is a VERY different statement to "His posts remain however"

"His posts that were deemed inappropriate/ harmful to the forum atmosphere were deleted" There was only 1 post deleted, shortly before ban. (unless you know better, dont imply there were multiple, as this would suggest a repeatedly troublesome sort of user. there is no suggestion that is the case) (Same deletion/ban for NomadBR but this has not been mentioned on neu forum)

" (Gekko) had all of his posts deleted" You KNOW this is not true. there is one post left as you correctly informed neu forum

"So he (Mark) was pointing out that difference." So gurkin had 1 post deleted, Gekko had all BUT 1 deleted and the way to express this is to say "His posts remain however" I dont buy that.

"Inappropriate posts are going to be deleted" How is this 1 post* so inappropriate? (except it is a reply to captain Dan "Dank" Kaufman. Could he not defend himself against such minor dissent?) (*re posted below for clarity)

"I wouldn't consider Mark statement to be a lie." Well I certainly dont consider it to be true and Feel Mark KNEW it to be so, (explained post May 27)
 I do feel it is "deceitful" at best. (my personal opinion only)

*here is the deleted post again, is it really material for banishment? A little bit uppity maybe
                                                                     -----------------------------------------
gurkin
< 1m
dank

hi @dank welcome to the forum.
it is not fair to dump all that on @NomadBR. he is only one person who would have liked a simple explanation weeks ago.
others have used the word shady. this question, and others about the team, have been kicking around for ages. 11 days ago @Sandrine said you would come back on this.(thats probably the forum average anyway!)
@NomadBR quotes are in the main from the fyc/government.web site, i think, so were relevant to his question, and informative as to why the case was brought.
we have recently discussed asking and answering difficult questions here. they are allowed     
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Why pretend this never existed. Probably because other neu forum users would also be stunned by the heavy handedness, had they been told. catch 22.

I have JUST REALIZED gurkin has "@" Dank, NomadBR and Sandrine. They WILL have been sent an EMAIL of this DELETED post! So others did know, as I suspected. hmmm.. the plot thickens?

I will make it clearer on the forum tomorrow. For now the unofficial faq is pretty clear now.
Most of Gurkins posts were left untouched. His posts that were deemed inappropriate/ harmful to the forum atmosphere were deleted. Where as the previous person to get banned (Gekko) had all of his posts deleted. So he was pointing out that difference. Inappropriate posts are going to be deleted, I wouldn't consider Mark statement to be a lie. When a customer comes in making tons of short tempered demands most people would have no problem with said customers being thrown out because said customers aren't respectful. In fact they tend to prefer it, that way things aren't being slowed down unnecessarily and the community that likes the service can continue it's natural flow.

NEWSFLASH - ban in progress


Kim
3h

For those following this: now Mark has informed me that my answers were simply not found! Simply ludicrous.

soooo, after complaining about not receiving what was promised in exchange for filling a lengthy survey, I have have been threatened with ban and unceremoniously told that the reason was likely that I have "filed junk". After I ask for my answers to be publicized for scrutiny, tadadada, my answers vanish into thin air!! I guess they weren't junk after all eh?

Really ironic for some of you to portray this as a welcoming place yet advocate banning those whose views are not aligned with yours. Very democratic! Have you read the lovely comments people are leaving on other venues about neucoin? You can "decapitate" [as suggested by myhash] people who complain here, but it will just increase the uproar elsewhere. Someone who walks into your store and complains about an unmet expectation should be immediately kicked out of the store? I'm sure that would go down very well with the majority of other folks witnessing the scene, just as is happening now.

Perspective buyers will not be put off by some random person screaming "scam!" without a good reason, but they will be put off by bad service, undelivered promises, and totalitarian attitude. Censorship as means to attain mass adoption? groundbreaking!!

                                   (This post has been flagged and will soon disappear)

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-many-neucoin-do-you-will-distribute-for-me/1046/47


EDIT- http://forum.neucoin.org/users/kim/activity This post has been removed from Kims history. Ban pending?
Kim was on my list of "complainers bans pending" post May 30
read back to kims first post, very...er...interesting!

EDIT-11.40 If Interested, read the whole thread!  http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-many-neucoin-do-you-will-distribute-for-me/1046
It starts with a complaint/enquiry about the EMAIL not working, (when it matters to people) posted by "johnfound1161,This user is suspended until May 21, 2016 4:17pm.Reason: Harassing the moderator in private messages.  http://forum.neucoin.org/users/johnfound1161/activity

EDIT-20.20 Kim post reinstated, for now. Kim not returned yet. (dont think neucoin wanted it broadcast live, may have affected outcome!)

OK, I thought all the trolls were here?

This is the link http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-best-to-manage-and-moderate-discussions-on-this-forum-to-ensure-neucoin-s-success/1003/10
May 20 post 12 USER asks
On a different note, anyone know why gurkin has been banned for a year?
May 20 post 13 MARK says
We banned him because of his generally negative tone of commentary over the duration of his time on the forum. His posts remain however.
(this is 2 days after deleting gurkin and NomadBR replies to Dan "Dank" Kaufman)
(no user asked about deleting, "his posts remain however" was "extra info")

Yes, but the confirmation of survey rewards/presale purchase emails have problems

Im not "complaining" about the user numbers, just pointing out that there is a significant difference between "zombie" users and "active" users.
I recognize your logic, however it was incorrect, so of little or no relevance as explanation.

"that page" What page? This page? http://forum.neucoin.org/about lists 7 mods and 5 admins. (you said there were 2 mods yourself & James)
Are these the new mods?, are there more mods to be announced?, are these the admins? which list is correct?

The links in my "edits" (edits 1-4) post May 30 all reveal different lists/ titles/combinations of admins/mods. NO list is clearly definitive over another.
check http://forum.neucoin.org/t/who-are-the-admins/127 as you suggest, post 2, Sandrine says "Hi @Darteous! The admins are myself, Dank, Ophelie, and Ludpo, and Arcanis are part of the team.
chech http://forum.neucoin.org/about says "our admins" Sandrine, Ophelie, Dank, Johan, Mark. "our mods" M3ndi3, Ludpo, Whateveryousayman, James, Arcanis, Kourosh, Dartious.
Looks like different lists to me, as i say, confusion.

English is my first language, which is why I am able to see these lists conflict each other. How will you be able to make it clearer on neu forum if you cannot see the problem - make another list?

I think the "grown ups"  are a bit too busy to deal with trolls, but I'll ask them.

Could you post the link that has Mark lying.

The emails telling people about the blog and the emails telling people about the soon to start presale worked properly. But that may have been before you heard about Neu.

You seemed to be complaining about the number/percentage of users so I was giving a logical explanation as to why it's low.

That page is just where you can see the mods. We're considering adding more than just the currently new additions so haven't announced it on the thread yet.

All of those threads link to the wiki. There are the ten neucoin team which in the thread "who are the admins" The usernames on the forum are given. In the unofficial faq I point out the active forum admins and mods. Is English your second language? In which case I apologize. I suppose I didn't take that possibility into account. I will see about making it a bit clearer on the forum.

Oh, so thats it?

no apology, no answer to my important questions, (Important to me anyway) no factual comment. Basically what I expected.

neucoin,
Firstly, please answer questions in my previous posts. (AS I keep asking, you know, stuff like "will Marks post now be corrected?)
Its not cool to correct my post with your own inaccurate postings. (Or those of your mods, acting on your behalf)
neucoin FUD.


"And that is the problem I have found with neucoin, it is so hard to get to the truth, even on the most trivial issues,
let alone anything MEANINGFULL! Every time I look I find more crap. It takes effort for anyone to try to correct so it mostly goes unchallenged."
Quote- myself May 28
Dartious, your post personifies my quote here I feel. There is no point replying if you dont know ANY of the answers.
I will run through your post quickly, hopefully you may understand more what I am saying.


"I haven't had quite as much time so haven't gotten to the bitcointalk thread. There were some minor issues with the email"
Please dont post inaccurately then not return for days, Its not polite. The emailer has NEVER worked properly, shame you have NO TECH TEAM

"I'm not sure how the discourse measures the day"
Its  rolling 24 hours

"the Neu team is quite busy working for right now I don't see the need for tons of conversation until we're closer to launch"
Then dont post here, inaccurately, and expect me to wait quietly till your ready to come back

"which would make them having straight zeroes across the board reasonable."
NO. You dont get it. If you visit it is RECORDED. you will NOT have a straight ZERO anymore.

"You expect heavy activity between Wednesday and Thursday?"
my posts on the matter were on Thursday and Saturday

"right now people aren't going to be rushing to the forum everyday."
You got that right.

"I would guess eviltrout just pops in awaiting more pressing information."
NO. You dont get it. He joined Jan 28. He has not visited EVER since. SEE HIS HISTORY

"I would hardly call it a PR disaster."
We shall agree to disagree on that.

"I don't see how you are confused question #25"
Because all those edit links I listed all reveal DIFFERENT people. there is no DEFINITIVE list, or if there is which one?

"James and I are community moderators and a few more are being added and it will be announced soon."
Is this the ANNOUNCEMENT? http://forum.neucoin.org/about (IT lists 7 MODS)

"The mods are mods because they are active community members"
Fair enough, IF there were more "users." BTW mods at neu all seem happy to post inaccurately.

"I was referring to before "events". Changing our posts after the fact could be misconstrued as trying to hide something"
That is EXACTLY what happened. gurkin and NomadBR replies to "DANK" deleted. 2 days later MARK says "NO POSTS DELETED"

"There was no need to announce it."
Agreed. But when asked WHY gurkin was banned, MARK "OFFERED" the "EXTRA" info that "HIS POSTS REMAIN HOWEVER" -Deceitful

"What did Mark state as fact that wasn't?"
see above explanation, or try reading my posts

"5% 1-4 months prelaunch doesn't sound bad to me."
OK if your happy with that, but please dont specifically refer to people who never visit as "active users"

"If you were trying to increase transparency then you wouldn't be trying to spin unimportant facts into FUD."
You CORRECTING me by saying 242 active users, just because your computer says so, THATS OK IS IT?

UNIMPORTANT FACTS INTO FUD, LOL.

Please send one of the grown ups next time!?

I am a community Moderator. I do Neucoin on the side. I've recently picked up some more work hours at my day job so I haven't had quite as much time so haven't gotten to the bitcointalk thread. There were some minor issues with the email sent out for the coins people would receive last week which would have caused an increased influx of people inquiring about their coins.

I'm not sure how the discourse measures the day and when a day starts for it. Also the Neu team is quite busy working for right now I don't see the need for tons of conversation until we're closer to launch and more information is available. We're still 1-4 months out. Sandrine was busy with other things with the Neucoin team for a short time so for that week period she wasn't as active with the forum.

The number of users is going to flux every day as when there's more information on the site more people's emails will be pinged and more people will come back to the forum. I imagine some people may come to the forum looking for annoucements and if they see none don't bother to read anything which would make them having straight zeroes across the board reasonable.

You expect heavy activity between Wednesday and Thursday? Post launch I'm sure there will be significantly more traffic as it will be warranted but right now people aren't going to be rushing to the forum everyday.

I would guess eviltrout just pops in awaiting more pressing information. I do not know every detail about discourses user settings. Perhaps you have to open a thread to be consider seen but only visit the page to show up as a user for said day.

I would hardly call it a PR disaster. So a few people posted on crypto forums that they think the coin is no good?

I don't see how you are confused question #25 references the wiki and so does Sandrine. Those are the admins. James and I are community moderators and a few more are being added and it will be announced soon.

I check the neu forum everyday. I do not check bitcointalk everyday as it has so much FUD and most people who are interested in the coin go to the forum, so I focus my time on them instead. The mods are mods because they are active community members and have been given the position, I don't see why you should find it surprising the most active people are the mods.

I was referring to before "events". Changing our posts after the fact could be misconstrued as trying to hide something. The members were seen as potentially harmful to the forums atmosphere. There was no need to announce it. Someone asked about it so it was explained. There is quite a bit of information on the forum and some things are a matter of perspective. What did Mark state as fact that wasn't?

Unless a person wants to have a very active role in the coin community there is not much need to be at the forum right now, the coin hasn't launched yet. Sandrine and Kourosh posted today. Kourosh posts in response to tech questions relative to his projects. With the exception of Mark and Sandrine the team doesn't much post unless pinged until closer to launch and post launch, they are busy getting things all set up. 5% 1-4 months prelaunch doesn't sound bad to me. Hopefully by launch it will be closer to 18%. Many just visit for the surveys. Most coin users aren't going to be on the forum much at all if at all that is normal. Many pre-sale buyers didn't even bother to join the forum.

I don't see what you don't understand about the faq #25

There is plenty of interest left in the coin, such people are patient and understand startup dynamics and feel no need to bother with naysayers. If you were trying to increase transparency then you wouldn't be trying to spin unimportant facts into FUD. When a member asks illogical and/or irrelevant questions then they shouldn't expect to be taken very seriously or to have people waste time on them.

Dartious and neucoin,
Firstly, please answer questions in my previous posts.
Its not cool to correct my post with your own inaccurate post, then dont come check response for days.
neucoin FUD.

Now, while I await your response, how "active" are "users" on neu forum?
Lets take a look,

When i posted my "just for fun" here, 21st May, gurkin was 14th on this years most likes list, NomadBR was 17th.
NOW gurkin is still 14th, NomadBR has moved UP to 15th! WTF?
http://forum.neucoin.org/users?period=yearly

I cant compare weekly likes, as these bans were (very nearly) 2 weeks ago! So I will look at the last month. (I know, its not very fair as NomadBR and gurkin have been banned for almost half that time.)
gurkin comes in 8th place! (ahead of him are 5 mods/team and 2 "users") NomadBR makes it into the top 20!
http://forum.neucoin.org/users?period=monthly

I dont think gurkin or NomadBR were EVER any higher up the list than that. There are NO real new users coming through the neu forum to dislodge their standings.

Now, lets check badge holders, as this helps get a better overall picture. http://forum.neucoin.org/badges

Out of 771 total "users" only 304 have achieved "basic" level. The other 467 "users" are, in general, zombie accounts, as seen in my user lists.
(it is sooo easy to achieve basic level, anyone who is a tiny weeny tinsy little bit interested will achieve this)

Of the 304 "users" to achieve "basic or better" many of those are themselves inactive now.
(I cant list them all, there are to many. you will have to do your own confirmation. just click on the "user" avatars. you will soon see how inactive most are. http://forum.neucoin.org/badges/1/basic-user)
Also discard the dozen mods/team, and discard a dozen exiles, banned but still classed as "users".

My "honest" best guess as to how many "active" users out of 771?
30-40, TOTAL AT BEST, and disappearing fast. (thats 5% of listed users)

"Active users" BS

Im just trying to increase transparency.
There is no more interest at neu forum Since the cull. (at least 3 others have been banned since)
What a PR disaster that was.
Now they invent "users".

BTW, Has Kourosh had enough? Has he heeded Gekkos warning of prison? Is he the latest team member to quit?
He has not posted in over a week. (although TBF, there is nearly nobody to post to? mods/team outnumber "active" users already on a daily basis)

P.S apologies to forum members here for my over activity on these matters (if anyone is left here lol). Seems the neu team gibberish has ceased. neucoin please close this ANN page if you aint gonna attend it, its embarrassing now.

Dartious and neucoin,
Firstly, please answer questions in my previous posts.
Its not cool to correct my post with your own inaccurate post, then dont come check response for days.
neucoin FUD.

Now, while I await your response, todays users list is made up of 20 "people"
Lets take a look,

25% are team/mods 5 people (edit)
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/darteous/activity
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/james/activity
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/mark/activity
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/sandrine/activity)
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/whateveryousayman/activity (edit)

10% are "complainers", bans pending? (2 people)
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/kim/activity
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/alex/activity

15% registered months ago, no activity whatsoever since (3 people)
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/zogstrip/activity
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/sam/activity
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/eviltrout/activity

10% have not been seen in over 2 months (2 people)
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/king_nibiru/activity
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/neil/activity

5% have not been seen over 2 weeks (1 person)
http://forum.neucoin.org/users/jirawanjuly/activity

"Active users" BS

Im just trying to increase transparency.
There is no more interest at neu forum Since the cull. (at least 3 others have been banned since)
What a PR disaster that was.
Now they invent "users".

Hey, its much easier that way.

(edit, Just found team/mod list.  http://forum.neucoin.org/about  Didnt realize there were so many mods)
(edit 2. Of course if you read http://forum.neucoin.org/t/who-are-the-admins/127 Sandrines answer is different to above link. more confusion.
If you read http://forum.neucoin.org/t/new-moderators-on-neucoin-forum/444 it only mentions Dartious and James. more confusion.)
(edit 3. Of course if you read http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-unofficial-faq/980 question 25, its different again. more confusion)
(edit 4. of course if you read http://forum.neucoin.org/t/theres-some-issues-on-your-ann-page/760 its all CLEARLY DONE. sorry im confused now)
(edit 4. of course if you read http://forum.neucoin.org/t/who-has-what-trust-levels-and-what-to-call-them/119 no info. more confusion)

(edit 5) Enough already. neucoin ANN page? BS. over 3 days waiting for response (others waiting far longer) BS neucoin BS

Dartious and neucoin,
Firstly, please answer questions in my previous post.

Now, I must clarify this neucoin forum user issue, (http://forum.neucoin.org/users?period=daily) as this kind of misinformation just keeps being handed out unchallenged in the neu forum.

Yesterday there were about 170 weekly "users" listed (when I checked at time of my last post) not 242 "active users" as Dartious said. There are 172 weekly "users" listed today also.
When I posted my "just for fun" on 21 May there were 69 weekly users. (not total users as stated) Immediately after that post (the next day) at least 40 new "users" appear! (and many more since) Hey, whats  going on?

Lets look at todays users, as it is easier to analyze . (I think it is a rolling 24 hour period)

There are 22 listed "users" today. (on my screenshot, but it just went down to 20 on neu forum)
6 are mods or team members
5 are inactive, never even visited the forum
1 was seen today
4 are regular
6 infrequent

take away the mods and team and made up users and you are left with 11 people.

why are people who have never even visited the forum listed? (example- http://forum.neucoin.org/users/eviltrout/activity) You will find them on weekly/monthly/yearly lists too. Also on these lists are people who have not visited/posted in the specified time period.(according to their histories as explained in previous post)

Another neucoin fudge.

And that is the problem I have found with neucoin, it is so hard to get to the truth, even on the most trivial issues,
let alone anything MEANINGFULL! Every time I look I find more crap. It takes effort for anyone to try to correct so it mostly goes unchallenged.
If you are lucky enough to get an answer, it will start with "Im not sure if I understand you properly" continue with something like "242 active users" and (gurkin) "read a fair bit" ending "hope this helps " - Marketing Speak. BS

Dartious, its probably your turn to apologize?

Dartious,

First, i WAS inaccurate, (luckily it was "just for fun")  there are more than 69 users, that was just the days users. I am sorry. (-edit- not days, weeks users @ 21st may. Also just checked this week users 172!) The other facts about gurkin having more likes than Sandrine, ect are correct. The user list is so misleading it makes accuracy very hard. Take user Bskpk for exampe, if you click on his avitar it says last post may 7. now click again to bring up history and he has never posted! and there are many like that. Funny site you run, some posts deleted, some never existed?

Now, on a more serious note.

I think you are being inaccurate (at the very least) if you are saying Mark did not know gerkins post was deleted. Mark did not post about gurkin ban until 2 days after events. plenty of time to get his facts right.

Think about it Dartious,

Mark is an active member of a small team?
Mark took part in "extensive private discussions" about forum control?
Dan "Dank" Kaufman makes his first and only post and Mark is not part of "the bouncer team" censoring replies?
Three people are banned from the forum that day and Mark doesnt know the details?
Mark doesnt bother checking facts before posting factually on neu forum?
Mark posts 48 hours after ban?
Mark posts inaccurately and no other "team member" bothers to correct his misinformation? (to this day, even though Dartious was kind enough to correct my "just for fun" post!

Will Marks post now be corrected, and neu forum members directed here to see for themselves the nature of the deleted post?
As I said, deceitful (at the very least) to your own forum.

BTW, Has Sandrine had enough? Has she heeded Gekkos warning of prison? Is she the latest team member to quit?
She has not posted in over a week. (only in private threads)

It's a matter of timely release of information. He had the privatization of categories a bit off. But that's since been fixed.

A number rather offensive posts were removed. It's quite a hassle to try to push something forward while members of the community try to push it backwards. There is a fair amount of open discussion. But blatant empty accusations are not accepted. We have no interest in letting FUD be spread in any manner on our forum.

I'm not sure who Myhash had the conversation about decapitated heads, but I'm sure it was a light hearted jest at how bothersome people intentionally FUD up a forum are.

Mark wasn't on the forum as much when Gurkin first came on and put a damper on the feel of the forum. So I'm not sure that he'd read extensively everything Gurkin had written.

You don't get any spam after filling out survey's, the email confirming that you received coins has been sent out. A few people did have trouble with it. If you do have trouble with it please PM Mark on the forum.

There are many more than 68 registered users. This week there have been 242 active users and 501 in the last month. And 208 topics total. Gurkin did post some good content but he also posted a fair amount of bad content and it was decided he's more of a risk than desired. Captain of a ship sees someone talk about mutiny it's understandable that said person is thrown off. Gurkin did do a fair amount of reading, whether or not his removal was the right move I am uncertain. But I'm not the captain, I've got a lot less riding on this than he does.

Grinding attacks were discussed on the neucoin forum, but I will notify kourosh of that link, though most of the tech are currently quite busy with developments.

For any that have a few questions try the current unofficial FAQ. If you feel it's missing any important frequent questions feel free to let me know and I will add them. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ENFBFn1zDybbRu3u5VycR5Nqt5D7C0y1wYoz30jm0_Q/edit

i think this is the next Dashcoin  , dont late buy when launch

Good work Rizz.  And don't forget Sandrine's answer to "who controls the Seychelles entity were everyone just sent their Money?"

Sandrine said:  "The ownership of the Seychelles Company has chosen to remain anonymous, due to uncertain legal exposure, but has the full trust of the NeuCoin team." http://forum.neucoin.org/t/guide-to-the-neucoin-presale/648/3

So the answer, straight from the horses mouth is "Fuck you we are not saying.  Shut up.  Trust us.  We trust the people who control the money, and we are not telling you who it is, because he does not want to go to jail after the pump and dump is over".

Grab your popcorn guys.  This is going to be funny, and Dan Kauffman ("I sold penis pills on the Internet, I wasn't posting intrusive ad-ware") gets to make all the money again.  You can tell he's lying when his mouth is moving, or he's typing.

"(Dan Says "I never even had an operational role at DR despite being a co-founder. During the time in question, I was the CEO of another company I started in the electronic prescription field.")

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/where-to-acquire-neucoin-at-launch/68/84

Who defends themselves by saying "I wasn't really showing up at that job, I was dealing prescription drugs by spamming your inbox with Viagra offers.  So I am not the kind of ad-ware Internet douche you think I am.  I was that other spamming Internet douche?"  This guy is a piece of work.  Now he's an Internet crypto fraud douche.  But he is rich from all that douchiness!  

it is amazing that he keeps making money scamming on the Internet, changes the flavor slightly, and finds even more dummies to follow him.



Dummies.

In before NoobCoin turns into a bigger and funnier fiasco than Paycoin...

 

Been digging around the neu forum again, as it is the only link to the neu team i can find?
I remembered this post by Mark explaining Gekkos ban,


Mark
11d
gurkin
The removal of gekko's posts was done because it was difficult to redact the unreasonable and offensive nature of his posts from the reasonable questions.
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/guide-to-the-neucoin-presale/648/22


I found this, (its one of Gekkos posts deleted from the neu forum)


[gekko4631] gekko4631
April 27
Hi Sandrine,
Thanks again for the non-answer. Who owns/controls the Seychelles corporation where you want people to send their money? Why is that information not mentioned anywhere in all this promotion?
Is that simple enough?
"Working for" Unobtanium is a laugh. There was no pre-mine. No pre-sale. There is no centralized entity that runs it. Original devs gone. Just a bunch of guys on BTCTalk who own and trade the coin--which is $2.50 each as we speak. No place to get a pay-off.
I promote it because I own it. But the only money to be made is trading it. Nobody owns or gave cheap coins to their "friends and former colleagues". Four coins were mined to make sure it worked before it was released to miners and traded on Cryptsy.
Sandrine, this is dodgy. I am not asking people to send a million dollars to an anonymous offshore corporation with an anonymous owner and not trace on the Internet.
You are.
What meatbag is the owner of your anonymous Seychelles company, and why did no mention of this appear anywhere in your documentation before I held your feet to the fire? Answer. A Name. An address.
You should go into politics. The question was, who controls the anonymous off shore Seychelles company and why is no mention of it on the website? The question was not "who is Gekko463 and which shitcoin does he like?"
You are answering the question you want to answer, not the question that was asked. Political bullshitting.
Science Po 101. Your school is proud of you.
Answer the question. Who controls the Seychelles account?
Asking where the money is going is spreading FUD in your book? The answer is "Shut up, Gekko likes UNO so he's being mean to me?"
Answer the simple question Sandrine. Who controls the wallet you are asking people to send a million dollars to?
Cheers,
Gekko

(deleted from http://forum.neucoin.org/t/guide-to-the-neucoin-presale/648)


I fail to see how this is a very offensive or particularly unreasonable reply to Sandrines non answer? surely this post could have been left on the forum? Mark did state that they need difficult questions to give neu credibility!

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I also remembered this post by Mark, about the gurkin ban,

Mark
6d
We banned him because of his generally negative tone of commentary over the duration of his time on the forum. His posts remain however.


Hmm..  somewhat deceitful (at the very least) to the neu forum to state gurkins posts remain when one had been deleted just beforehand.
I found this,(its one of gerkins posts deleted from the neu forum)


gurkin
< 1m
dank
hi @dank welcome to the forum.
it is not fair to dump all that on @NomadBR. he is only one person who would have liked a simple explanation weeks ago.
others have used the word shady. this question, and others about the team, have been kicking around for ages. 11 days ago @Sandrine said you would come back on this.(thats probably the forum average anyway!)
@NomadBR quotes are in the main from the fyc/government.web site, i think, so were relevant to his question, and informative as to why the case was brought.
we have recently discussed asking and answering difficult questions here. they are allowed

(deleted from http://forum.neucoin.org/t/where-to-acquire-neucoin-at-launch/68/85)


Hmm....  so why was this deleted from the neu forum, and why pretend it wasnt deleted Mark?

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Also, their ineptitude continues this week as I found these private posts, (these are a few of them)


Mark
1d
@Sandrine @James @Darteous
Now that the forum has been running for a while, I think it is time to create new categories with subcategories that will be easier to organize threads by and will be more intuitive for forum members. Right now Growth and Distribution are our marketing speak, but I doubt are clear for new community members.


Doesnt marketing speak equal BS for the masses?  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_jargon)


Mark
6h
Darteous
I just changed the Staff permissions and checked that only moderators and admins are able to see this category. Thanks for letting me know. We should be good to continue private discussions here.


Haha, they still think I can not see this private thread!


Mark
6h
Darteous
Let me talk the foreign languages over with the team tomorrow.
    If he saved a link then might he still have access?
I don't think so. I'm on a train right now so only have sketchy internet. Try opening a Staff link in an incognito browser session.


Oh, I wonder who has access they dont want? lol

This is a confession of failure! This NeuScam is nauseously centralized...

How long has everyone been waiting? I was considering trying it but I'm not going to if I have to wait indefinitely for a few coins.

lol, just for fun, just checked neucoin user list
http://forum.neucoin.org/users

gurkin is 5th on this WEEKS likes list, thats after 3 days ban?
thats 1 above sandrine, lol. he gave less likes than sandrine though!
NomadBR is 14th on the likes list this WEEKS also 3 days after ban!

this YEARS likes list, gerkin 14th, NomadBR 17th.  
this YEARS most read, gurkin in joint 1st place with dartious. lol

to put it into context, there are only 69 users redgestered on the official forum, including inactive, never used, banned ect.
there are 133 threads. thats 2 per user on average?

p.s. gerkin and NomadBR started 0 threads! lol, i could go on...

Never. All you get is spam to your inbox.