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Quote from: kjadB on June 19, 2014, 05:48:32 AM

Quote from: PondSea on June 19, 2014, 05:33:27 AM

Quote from: kjadB on June 19, 2014, 04:53:44 AM

Quote from: ^_^ on June 18, 2014, 09:27:29 AM

Quote from: kedyoon on June 18, 2014, 09:23:33 AM

i am wating the kora，lol

You will lose a lot. lol

Kora will be free, so can't lose even a satoshi, but you might make a few bitcoins.

Kora probably partly responsible for keeping Qora price down.

Why pay for Coca Cola now when Pepsi will be free in a couple of weeks.

You do know ot depends on qora releasing the code for them to copy right???

Yeah, I know that, Kora needs the Qora code to exist. I do think the NXT AE idea for interim Kora is pretty clever though. If Qora stays closed source it is suicide, so sometime the source will be released, I have no doubt about that. If Qora dev doesn't release the source the stakeholders will lose, and the coin dies. A closed source coin for large sums of money - must be open sourced eventually.

I can't see any real reason why Kora couldn't exist on the NXT AE as an asset token for as long as the Qora source is closed. NEM stakes on the NXT AE is working fine.

Not releasing the Qora source damages Qora much more than Kora.

That is a pretty illogical argument there....

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Quote from: PondSea on June 19, 2014, 05:33:27 AM

Quote from: kjadB on June 19, 2014, 04:53:44 AM

Quote from: ^_^ on June 18, 2014, 09:27:29 AM

Quote from: kedyoon on June 18, 2014, 09:23:33 AM

i am wating the kora，lol

You will lose a lot. lol

Kora will be free, so can't lose even a satoshi, but you might make a few bitcoins.

Kora probably partly responsible for keeping Qora price down.

Why pay for Coca Cola now when Pepsi will be free in a couple of weeks.

You do know ot depends on qora releasing the code for them to copy right???

Yeah, I know that, Kora needs the Qora code to exist. I do think the NXT AE idea for interim Kora is pretty clever though. If Qora stays closed source it is suicide, so sometime the source will be released, I have no doubt about that. If Qora dev doesn't release the source the stakeholders will lose, and the coin dies. A closed source coin for large sums of money - must be open sourced eventually.

I can't see any real reason why Kora couldn't exist on the NXT AE as an asset token for as long as the Qora source is closed. NEM stakes on the NXT AE is working fine.

Not releasing the Qora source damages Qora much more than Kora.

PondSea

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Quote from: kjadB on June 19, 2014, 04:53:44 AM

Quote from: ^_^ on June 18, 2014, 09:27:29 AM

Quote from: kedyoon on June 18, 2014, 09:23:33 AM

i am wating the kora，lol

You will lose a lot. lol

Kora will be free, so can't lose even a satoshi, but you might make a few bitcoins.

Kora probably partly responsible for keeping Qora price down.

Why pay for Coca Cola now when Pepsi will be free in a couple of weeks.

You do know ot depends on qora releasing the code for them to copy right???

kjadB

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Quote from: ^_^ on June 18, 2014, 09:27:29 AM

Quote from: kedyoon on June 18, 2014, 09:23:33 AM

i am wating the kora，lol

You will lose a lot. lol

Kora will be free, so can't lose even a satoshi, but you might make a few bitcoins.

Kora probably partly responsible for keeping Qora price down.

Why pay for Coca Cola now when Pepsi will be free in a couple of weeks.

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Quote from: Vrontis on June 18, 2014, 09:31:56 PM

Quote from: twistelaar on June 18, 2014, 08:20:25 PM

Vrontis, can you make a to do list? and then members can decide and choose what they can do and suite them best. thanks

I think we can start by preparing a Qora's devoted network where all of the above will take place, i.e. move some discussion to the Official Qora's forum where people will participate, asking for investors and donators to supply Qora's community with more liquidity, elect members and if possible hire developers (we don't know what qora will do after he finish this project, he may contribute further more, he may step away ...or do we know?), collecting needs, prioritize them and build the strongest community.
Let start i.e. assign to someone to create and handling a "bug reporting form" on google forms as ASIC-8Tile noted to drive bug reporting users there and make more comfortable the dev's life.Those tiny steps will drive Qora to the top.

Sounds good, but do we have the funds to pay some core team devs who are actively working on the development?

I think it's good to talk about the progress here, so other community members can be involved and have something like a private chat for the core community members.. And I really love the step plan that Asic made, once we finish that Qora is unstoppable.

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Quote from: PondSea on June 19, 2014, 12:48:28 AM

Quote from: mobing on June 19, 2014, 12:27:13 AM

I didn't get my Qora coin yet. What is wrong?

What do you mean? Huh

?

I learnt to guess chinese folks by just signle comment

PondSea

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Quote from: mobing on June 19, 2014, 12:27:13 AM

I didn't get my Qora coin yet. What is wrong?

What do you mean? Huh

?

benyate

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Quote from: Vrontis on June 18, 2014, 08:54:48 PM

Quote from: Conurtrol on June 18, 2014, 08:33:46 PM

This excellent post by asic8tile from last month might be helpful:

Quote from: ASIC-8Tile on May 24, 2014, 11:01:04 AM

If I were to manage a project like this I would consider these high-level tasks and sub-tasks.

Here are my suggestions for Tasks/Sub-tasks. Priority would have to be assigned by task/sub-task and then communicated through a forum/online project excel file to begin with.

1. Infrastructure/Security
1.1 Develop Testnet
1.2 Security Review
1.3 Connectivity Review
1.4 Develop Peer Nodes
1.5 Bug reporting portal

2. Wallet Development/Mobile
2.1Deterministic Wallet (possible)/Client Windows-Mac-Linux (1 reference client - use all programming resources to build 1 reference client for the moment) Qora has begun this.
2.2 List Current Features and Future - Development plan (add social capability to wallet to invite friends/invite via sharethis or other plugin)
2.3 BIP32 Deterministic Key Generator http://bip32.org/
2.4 Developers Priority List/Status (Bounty List as needed)

3. Website Development
3.1 Features (Specifications), Wiki, Blog, Login (to Deterministic Wallet?), Affiliates, Social Media, Business (p2b), Developers, Merchants, Voting, About, Team
3.2 Graphics Design
3.3 Social Media Plugins to introduce friends (type of sharethis plugin)

4. Business Development
4.1 Affiliates p2p/p2b
4.2 Add Decentralized Autonomous Organization Registration/List Decentralized Autonomous Software Development
4.3 Referral Links
4.4 Local Qora Buying with mobile
4.5 Develop Business Model
4.6 Exhanges (already on sharexcoin.com)

5. Marketing
5.1 Gorilla (intro cards to hand out locally, organize physical meetups, contact redbull and sponsor a crazy event, etc..)
5.2 Video Marketing
5.3 SEO/SEM
5.4 Signatures on BTT/CCT (already begun)
5.5 Conference Speakers
5.6 Social Media
5.7 Games

6. Finances
6.1 Add a Treasurer/Backup
6.2 Allocate Funds for Bounties (etc..)
6.3 Vote on New Features
6.4 Transparent Payments of Expenses
6.5 List expenses (enable functionality that would add one seed that would get more POS than all others for a limited time...) and use blockchain to add detail.

Please add to the list and forward to everyone as needed.

Regards

This is brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can definitely start a serious discussion - brainstorming with this, make further additions and moving things forward !!!!
Thanks for re posting this great post from ASIC-8Tile.I have to say that I haven't finished reading the entire thread yet and didn't reach this one so far, so sorry if I am sound like I am yelling and sorry from all the people that they already working on projects.

it is good idea!!!! Kiss

mobing

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I didn't get my Qora coin yet. What is wrong?

eli_lyd1

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Quote from: QoraKnight on June 18, 2014, 05:09:31 PM

Quote from: Skerberus on June 18, 2014, 04:52:49 PM

Yes I am a java developer, but not a very good gui designer. I can achieve everything you said with Advanced Installer too ( including jre check and autodownload if java is missing). The advantage of my version would be a shortcut on the desktop and and real installation ( no need to unzip manually....many newbies have problems with it). But unfortunately don't know how to solve the trust issue....if qora has an advanced installer version i could prepare everything so that he just has to add the files and build an executable...but most likely he does not have the program.

Skerberus,

That's wonderful!! Grin

You know eli_yd1 already has a Qora forum up and running (Qora.Club), maybe we can ask him to create a Developer's Section, so people who are interested in developing for Qora will have a place to discuss.

Having said that, I'm thinking maybe we can have a Development Support Team in support of Qora Dev. Qora Dev can work on adding main features and core functionality, and we can work on minor tweaks (like having a secure forging mode for Qora client).

I've got a lot of ideas I'd like to share with you guys. I'm just trying to get the ball rolling here, but I'm hoping you and ASIC-8Tile will be able to join this Support Dev Team. Qora is a great project, and it can certainly use more people with the skills and technical know-how.

PS: there are few possible free alternatives - 1) use launch4j to create a windows wallet for Qora, and use something else for MAC and Linux. We will publish different wallets for different platforms. 2) I am mostly a C++/C# kind of guy, and I'm thinking maybe we can write a new client for Qora from scratch in C# 3) Use JWS or other installation development program that is free.

I can create section for devs, only the devs can post on this section.
But I am worry no one will come to talk.

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Quote from: twistelaar on June 18, 2014, 08:20:25 PM

Vrontis, can you make a to do list? and then members can decide and choose what they can do and suite them best. thanks

I think we can start by preparing a Qora's devoted network where all of the above will take place, i.e. move some discussion to the Official Qora's forum where people will participate, asking for investors and donators to supply Qora's community with more liquidity, elect members and if possible hire developers (we don't know what qora will do after he finish this project, he may contribute further more, he may step away ...or do we know?), collecting needs, prioritize them and build the strongest community.
Let start i.e. assign to someone to create and handling a "bug reporting form" on google forms as ASIC-8Tile noted to drive bug reporting users there and make more comfortable the dev's life.Those tiny steps will drive Qora to the top.

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Quote from: Trololoh on June 18, 2014, 08:34:04 PM

-Qora client should warn user if new version is available.
For some reasons not many (if any...) alt coin wallets warn users.
This is very stupid since it would prevent users from possible hard forks.

-Hard fork prevention mechanism should be build in.
Outdated clients that can cause a hard fork should be stopped/blocked from sending/receiving coins.
Again, if I am correct there are no alt coin wallets out there that have something like that.
Very stupid !

-Recovery of "seed".
Multibit and Electrum give user the "seed" as long as user knows password.

For me above "features" are more important then a voting system.
(How often can a person vote, 1 vote per address Huh

When you have a couple of thousand addresses you could easily make a poll useless...)

-More forum threads, currents thread is a mess, too many different topics.
Better to have own forum :
qora.club
Problem with with qora.club, current layout is terrible, better to go for more conventional layout.

...and to continue with my though, the above list that Trololoh posted should be taken serious by community, the techdev, reply back and proceed with the new ideas. (i.e. the recovery of "seed" it may be a great addition).
We need to collect them somewhere and accordingly proceed with every single one of them.

BTW, I have to agree with the forum layout.It makes it difficult to contribute.

Quote from: eli_lyd1 on June 18, 2014, 12:03:34 PM

Quote from: jman887854 on June 18, 2014, 11:54:59 AM

Quote from: PilotofBTC on June 18, 2014, 11:25:33 AM

Is there any interest in a dedicated Qora forums website? I would be happy to spend time to set one up and run it. I would donate my time, but the hosting fees and DNS fees would cost real money.

Is this something the community fund is interested in providing a bounty for?

There already is one http://qora.club/ no one really uses it.

If no one use it , I will close it soon just for saving money.

Can we please rebuild the forum ?
A more usual forum board at the moment will be preferred.

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Quote from: Conurtrol on June 18, 2014, 08:33:46 PM

This excellent post by asic8tile from last month might be helpful:

Quote from: ASIC-8Tile on May 24, 2014, 11:01:04 AM

If I were to manage a project like this I would consider these high-level tasks and sub-tasks.

Here are my suggestions for Tasks/Sub-tasks. Priority would have to be assigned by task/sub-task and then communicated through a forum/online project excel file to begin with.

1. Infrastructure/Security
1.1 Develop Testnet
1.2 Security Review
1.3 Connectivity Review
1.4 Develop Peer Nodes
1.5 Bug reporting portal

2. Wallet Development/Mobile
2.1Deterministic Wallet (possible)/Client Windows-Mac-Linux (1 reference client - use all programming resources to build 1 reference client for the moment) Qora has begun this.
2.2 List Current Features and Future - Development plan (add social capability to wallet to invite friends/invite via sharethis or other plugin)
2.3 BIP32 Deterministic Key Generator http://bip32.org/
2.4 Developers Priority List/Status (Bounty List as needed)

3. Website Development
3.1 Features (Specifications), Wiki, Blog, Login (to Deterministic Wallet?), Affiliates, Social Media, Business (p2b), Developers, Merchants, Voting, About, Team
3.2 Graphics Design
3.3 Social Media Plugins to introduce friends (type of sharethis plugin)

4. Business Development
4.1 Affiliates p2p/p2b
4.2 Add Decentralized Autonomous Organization Registration/List Decentralized Autonomous Software Development
4.3 Referral Links
4.4 Local Qora Buying with mobile
4.5 Develop Business Model
4.6 Exhanges (already on sharexcoin.com)

5. Marketing
5.1 Gorilla (intro cards to hand out locally, organize physical meetups, contact redbull and sponsor a crazy event, etc..)
5.2 Video Marketing
5.3 SEO/SEM
5.4 Signatures on BTT/CCT (already begun)
5.5 Conference Speakers
5.6 Social Media
5.7 Games

6. Finances
6.1 Add a Treasurer/Backup
6.2 Allocate Funds for Bounties (etc..)
6.3 Vote on New Features
6.4 Transparent Payments of Expenses
6.5 List expenses (enable functionality that would add one seed that would get more POS than all others for a limited time...) and use blockchain to add detail.

Please add to the list and forward to everyone as needed.

Regards

This is brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can definitely start a serious discussion - brainstorming with this, make further additions and moving things forward !!!!
Thanks for re posting this great post from ASIC-8Tile.I have to say that I haven't finished reading the entire thread yet and didn't reach this one so far, so sorry if I am sound like I am yelling and sorry from all the people that they already working on projects.

Trololoh

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-Qora client should warn user if new version is available.
For some reasons not many (if any...) alt coin wallets warn users.
This is very stupid since it would prevent users from possible hard forks.

-Hard fork prevention mechanism should be build in.
Outdated clients that can cause a hard fork should be stopped/blocked from sending/receiving coins.
Again, if I am correct there are no alt coin wallets out there that have something like that.
Very stupid !

-Recovery of "seed".
Multibit and Electrum give user the "seed" as long as user knows password.

For me above "features" are more important then a voting system.
(How often can a person vote, 1 vote per address Huh

When you have a couple of thousand addresses you could easily make a poll useless...)

-More forum threads, currents thread is a mess, too many different topics.
Better to have own forum :
qora.club
Problem with with qora.club, current layout is terrible, better to go for more conventional layout.

Conurtrol

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This excellent post by asic8tile from last month might be helpful:

Quote from: ASIC-8Tile on May 24, 2014, 11:01:04 AM

If I were to manage a project like this I would consider these high-level tasks and sub-tasks.

Here are my suggestions for Tasks/Sub-tasks. Priority would have to be assigned by task/sub-task and then communicated through a forum/online project excel file to begin with.

1. Infrastructure/Security
1.1 Develop Testnet
1.2 Security Review
1.3 Connectivity Review
1.4 Develop Peer Nodes
1.5 Bug reporting portal

2. Wallet Development/Mobile
2.1Deterministic Wallet (possible)/Client Windows-Mac-Linux (1 reference client - use all programming resources to build 1 reference client for the moment) Qora has begun this.
2.2 List Current Features and Future - Development plan (add social capability to wallet to invite friends/invite via sharethis or other plugin)
2.3 BIP32 Deterministic Key Generator http://bip32.org/
2.4 Developers Priority List/Status (Bounty List as needed)

3. Website Development
3.1 Features (Specifications), Wiki, Blog, Login (to Deterministic Wallet?), Affiliates, Social Media, Business (p2b), Developers, Merchants, Voting, About, Team
3.2 Graphics Design
3.3 Social Media Plugins to introduce friends (type of sharethis plugin)

4. Business Development
4.1 Affiliates p2p/p2b
4.2 Add Decentralized Autonomous Organization Registration/List Decentralized Autonomous Software Development
4.3 Referral Links
4.4 Local Qora Buying with mobile
4.5 Develop Business Model
4.6 Exhanges (already on sharexcoin.com)

5. Marketing
5.1 Gorilla (intro cards to hand out locally, organize physical meetups, contact redbull and sponsor a crazy event, etc..)
5.2 Video Marketing
5.3 SEO/SEM
5.4 Signatures on BTT/CCT (already begun)
5.5 Conference Speakers
5.6 Social Media
5.7 Games

6. Finances
6.1 Add a Treasurer/Backup
6.2 Allocate Funds for Bounties (etc..)
6.3 Vote on New Features
6.4 Transparent Payments of Expenses
6.5 List expenses (enable functionality that would add one seed that would get more POS than all others for a limited time...) and use blockchain to add detail.

Please add to the list and forward to everyone as needed.

Regards

twistelaar

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Quote from: Vrontis on June 18, 2014, 08:04:52 PM

Quote from: gorillajam on June 18, 2014, 07:46:22 PM

While I would of preferred a more voluntary organic community to of evolved, I think that bus has gone and we have to start assigning duties.
We do have some tasks assigned though. We need active members thats all I know.

That's exactly what I am asking of.More people to be more active, to decide what Qora needs in order to build a living society.
More tasks, more concepts, more development, more people.We have an unofficial bounty list but what is next when those tasks finished?
This is what I want to mention and that's why I am making this invitation.
And sure, in a community you are involved in order to give.

PS : Buses has stops, people steps in, people steps out.

Vrontis, can you make a to do list? and then members can decide and choose what they can do and suite them best. thanks

Vrontis

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Quote from: gorillajam on June 18, 2014, 07:46:22 PM

While I would of preferred a more voluntary organic community to of evolved, I think that bus has gone and we have to start assigning duties.
We do have some tasks assigned though. We need active members thats all I know.

That's exactly what I am asking of.More people to be more active, to decide what Qora needs in order to build a living society.
More tasks, more concepts, more development, more people.We have an unofficial bounty list but what is next when those tasks finished?
This is what I want to mention and that's why I am making this invitation.
And sure, in a community you are involved in order to give.

PS : Buses has stops, people steps in, people steps out.

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Quote from: gorillajam on June 18, 2014, 06:11:58 PM

Hmm... Ok, Interesting, bye.

Good! You got your wish granted. Grin

I hereby declare - I QUIT! I'm fed up with people like gorillajam, dzarmush, and their unruly gang of supporters. You have my word I will NEVER show up here again, not under QoraKnight or any other BTT account. For Qora's sake, I honestly hope the dev will make this thread self-moderated.

Great news! It'll pretty much clear the air.

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win

Quote from: Vrontis on June 18, 2014, 07:40:31 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I hereby declare - I QUIT!

You can make your own decisions, but I would like to challenge you.
As you mentioned the are teams divided in supporters and haters etc (there always be and their will always be until Batman arrives).
So the challenge is to build your own team, a development team with your knowledge and your ideas and the community will definitely see and watch your progress.
As far as I know this is a free market, right?
So, in the free markets everyone is acting with his motivation and make the best he can.
My motivation here was to contribute as much as I can in order to give in Qora the best that I can.This is what community means after all right?
In communities you are acting not because you will earn but because you will give.
So, it is up to you.Get involved with your own way and do the best you can or quit.

And here I would like to take the advantage and request from all the members in here that they want to contribute on Qora to publish their willing.

I don't know which sections are needed (a marketing, a development, a finance, a legal section etc.) but I would like to make a request to all the members that they want to involved to the community to start a "brain stoming period" for Qora's needs and have a community member's list with arranged tasks.

So, communities are build on their own due to their need to stand alive.When qora deliver's the source code we must be strong as a community and not divided, with projects running,cash flow for the community and members willing to get qora to the moon (and I mean to the moon).In order to have it as most transparent as we can it will preferable to have many contributors with equal rights.After all, we already have a voting system.
So please, someone, create a list (google form, a topic, whatever) and all of us that we want to get involved to state it in public.
Things like, where a user can contribute and what sections are needed may be the most important queries in this form.

Thanks and sorry for the lengthy post

While I would of preferred a more voluntary organic community to of evolved, I think that bus has gone and we have to start assigning duties.

We do have some tasks assigned though. We need active members thats all I know.

Vrontis

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Quote from: ?? on ??

I hereby declare - I QUIT!

You can make your own decisions, but I would like to challenge you.
As you mentioned the are teams divided in supporters and haters etc (there always be and their will always be until Batman arrives).
So the challenge is to build your own team, a development team with your knowledge and your ideas and the community will definitely see and watch your progress.
As far as I know this is a free market, right?
So, in the free markets everyone is acting with his motivation and make the best he can.
My motivation here was to contribute as much as I can in order to give in Qora the best that I can.This is what community means after all right?
In communities you are acting not because you will earn but because you will give.
So, it is up to you.Get involved with your own way and do the best you can or quit.

And here I would like to take the advantage and request from all the members in here that they want to contribute on Qora to publish their willing.

I don't know which sections are needed (a marketing, a development, a finance, a legal section etc.) but I would like to make a request to all the members that they want to involved to the community to start a "brain stoming period" for Qora's needs and have a community member's list with arranged tasks.

So, communities are build on their own due to their need to stand alive.When qora deliver's the source code we must be strong as a community and not divided, with projects running,cash flow for the community and active members who willing to get qora to the moon (and I mean to the moon).In order to have it as most transparent as we can it will preferable to have many contributors with equal rights.After all, we already have a voting system.
So please, someone, create a list (google form, a topic, whatever) and all of us that we want to get involved to state it in public.
Things like, where a user can contribute and what sections are needed may be the most important queries in this form.
Then, when the period of data collecting in that form ends it will be published and we will start proceed with commities and etc.

Thanks and sorry for the lengthy post

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