Topic: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage - page 372. (Read 1382228 times)
sjcx is stopped in an infinite beta phase, and you need to make a high invest to participate, i think sia is a much more open project and only beeds a little of publi for none cryptoguys, it may skyrocket the project
I just have fopund out, that sia is a project I will have a look at. Well, compared to sjcx it is yet far behind, but I am pretty sure when the block reward will halfed, the price will sky rocket. No doubt on that.
Sia is about 6 months old and has been built by ~3 people. There is only one password, nobody has lost coins since 0.3, upnp is working, and you really only need to touch the UI.
You guys definitely have made substantial progress the last 3 months!! It's amazing about only 3 of you were able to build this network in less than a year. Imagine after 2 years where Sia could be!
Could funds from the siafund sale be used to hire more devs? That way it's more than just 3 of you working on such a big project.
... We need a storage platform that people love using...
Yes, nothing else actually matters. Nothing.
Please read the Steve Jobs biography....
Obsession with "user experience" built the biggest corporation in the world.
You're mostly on the right track with Sia...
But running 3 programs, console interfaces, excessive locking, multiple passwords, lost coins, required router settings, dodgy upgrades, etc...
Show that you really DON'T GET IT... and are the sort of person Jobs would fire on the spot.
With BitTorrent, I can download a torrent with exactly 2 clicks... it's not too late to make Sia work.
BitTorrent is well over a decade old and is built by a company with 100 employees. Sia is about 6 months old and has been built by ~3 people. There is only one password, nobody has lost coins since 0.3, upnp is working, and you really only need to touch the UI.
I'm not sure what problems specifically you are talking about, but we've made substantial progress over the past 3 months. The iPhone was not built in a day, and Sia cannot be built in a day either. I think you will like 0.5.0
and apple was about to go under as a business until bill gates helped with something along the lines of a 300nillion usd injection - and a deal to get microsoft products into osx ... then apple came out with the ipod - and that made them BILLIONS - and they are what they are today ...
i cant remember the specifics - but im sure its there in the internet history books ... i have yet to look it up myself - but if memeory sevres me correctly - apple were in dire starights had it not been for the bill gates 'helping hand' ...
either way - sia is probably one of the best storage systems ive seen to date ... very early stages of will be ( if taek and team continue ) one of the most profound decentralized storage packages in history ...
i remember the days of the original bit torrent too ... damn those command line functions you had to punch in when it first started out ... hehehe ...
#crysx
http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/080797apple.html
Gosh I loved the tech explosion of the late 80's into the 90's. I guess that's why I have enjoyed watching Sia develop in a similar new explosion of data storage. Its simply refreshing.
its a whole new world in how that data is best stored and by whom.... stay tuned.....hehehe ...
i knew it was a huge sum - and i think back then - the aud / usd was a 2 : 1 ratio ... so the 300million was stuck in my head ...
but i agree in totality - that technologies as extreme as sia is worth the effort in the long run ... ive been working extensively on granite recently - and i cant hope to even come close to the tech advancements that sia is making - although the direction of granite is a very different one ... the possibility that one day - crypto itself could work together is a stark reminder of how unpredictable things can be - and how amazing the industry still is ...
i believe i can safely say that the technology that david ( taek ) and his team are producing in sia - is fast becoming the glue that will be the binding part of the brickwork of the storage future ... period! ...
id like to think that within this infrastructure that this brickwork is housing - that other crypto can flourish to provide their own elements and services that will work hand in hand ...
a lot of work to do yet for the future - but a very good foundation being built now ... thats sia ...
#crysx
... We need a storage platform that people love using...
Yes, nothing else actually matters. Nothing.
Please read the Steve Jobs biography....
Obsession with "user experience" built the biggest corporation in the world.
You're mostly on the right track with Sia...
But running 3 programs, console interfaces, excessive locking, multiple passwords, lost coins, required router settings, dodgy upgrades, etc...
Show that you really DON'T GET IT... and are the sort of person Jobs would fire on the spot.
With BitTorrent, I can download a torrent with exactly 2 clicks... it's not too late to make Sia work.
BitTorrent is well over a decade old and is built by a company with 100 employees. Sia is about 6 months old and has been built by ~3 people. There is only one password, nobody has lost coins since 0.3, upnp is working, and you really only need to touch the UI.
I'm not sure what problems specifically you are talking about, but we've made substantial progress over the past 3 months. The iPhone was not built in a day, and Sia cannot be built in a day either. I think you will like 0.5.0
and apple was about to go under as a business until bill gates helped with something along the lines of a 300nillion usd injection - and a deal to get microsoft products into osx ... then apple came out with the ipod - and that made them BILLIONS - and they are what they are today ...
i cant remember the specifics - but im sure its there in the internet history books ... i have yet to look it up myself - but if memeory sevres me correctly - apple were in dire starights had it not been for the bill gates 'helping hand' ...
either way - sia is probably one of the best storage systems ive seen to date ... very early stages of will be ( if taek and team continue ) one of the most profound decentralized storage packages in history ...
i remember the days of the original bit torrent too ... damn those command line functions you had to punch in when it first started out ... hehehe ...
#crysx
http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/080797apple.html
Gosh I loved the tech explosion of the late 80's into the 90's. I guess that's why I have enjoyed watching Sia develop in a similar new explosion of data storage. Its simply refreshing.
its a whole new world in how that data is best stored and by whom.... stay tuned..... 
either way - sia is probably one of the best storage systems ive seen to date ... very early stages of will be ( if taek and team continue ) one of the most profound decentralized storage packages in history ...
+1.
+ 1 bazillion
Sia is THE crypto coin! It has a business plan, real world usage, and it's released and non-vaporware ... it's just a matter of time, with some patience & lots more hard work too, but the future is so bright.
... We need a storage platform that people love using...
Yes, nothing else actually matters. Nothing.
Please read the Steve Jobs biography....
Obsession with "user experience" built the biggest corporation in the world.
You're mostly on the right track with Sia...
But running 3 programs, console interfaces, excessive locking, multiple passwords, lost coins, required router settings, dodgy upgrades, etc...
Show that you really DON'T GET IT... and are the sort of person Jobs would fire on the spot.
With BitTorrent, I can download a torrent with exactly 2 clicks... it's not too late to make Sia work.
BitTorrent is well over a decade old and is built by a company with 100 employees. Sia is about 6 months old and has been built by ~3 people. There is only one password, nobody has lost coins since 0.3, upnp is working, and you really only need to touch the UI.
I'm not sure what problems specifically you are talking about, but we've made substantial progress over the past 3 months. The iPhone was not built in a day, and Sia cannot be built in a day either. I think you will like 0.5.0
and apple was about to go under as a business until bill gates helped with something along the lines of a 300nillion usd injection - and a deal to get microsoft products into osx ... then apple came out with the ipod - and that made them BILLIONS - and they are what they are today ...
i cant remember the specifics - but im sure its there in the internet history books ... i have yet to look it up myself - but if memeory sevres me correctly - apple were in dire starights had it not been for the bill gates 'helping hand' ...
either way - sia is probably one of the best storage systems ive seen to date ... very early stages of will be ( if taek and team continue ) one of the most profound decentralized storage packages in history ...
i remember the days of the original bit torrent too ... damn those command line functions you had to punch in when it first started out ... hehehe ...
#crysx
... We need a storage platform that people love using...
Yes, nothing else actually matters. Nothing.
Please read the Steve Jobs biography....
Obsession with "user experience" built the biggest corporation in the world.
You're mostly on the right track with Sia...
But running 3 programs, console interfaces, excessive locking, multiple passwords, lost coins, required router settings, dodgy upgrades, etc...
Show that you really DON'T GET IT... and are the sort of person Jobs would fire on the spot.
With BitTorrent, I can download a torrent with exactly 2 clicks... it's not too late to make Sia work.
BitTorrent is well over a decade old and is built by a company with 100 employees. Sia is about 6 months old and has been built by ~3 people. There is only one password, nobody has lost coins since 0.3, upnp is working, and you really only need to touch the UI.
I'm not sure what problems specifically you are talking about, but we've made substantial progress over the past 3 months. The iPhone was not built in a day, and Sia cannot be built in a day either. I think you will like 0.5.0
... We need a storage platform that people love using...
Yes, nothing else actually matters. Nothing.
Please read the Steve Jobs biography....
Obsession with "user experience" built the biggest corporation in the world.
You're mostly on the right track with Sia...
But running 3 programs, console interfaces, excessive locking, multiple passwords, lost coins, required router settings, dodgy upgrades, etc...
Show that you really DON'T GET IT... and are the sort of person Jobs would fire on the spot.
With BitTorrent, I can download a torrent with exactly 2 clicks... it's not too late to make Sia work.
All said, if that is all you find wrong with it thus far, to me that means Sia is on the right track
when you consider its still very much in Beta...... By far.... it is not to late, to the contrary, its only just the beginning
PS: Even Steve Jobs and Apple were not always on top nor did they start out at the top....and went through many twist and turns and growing pains.... before Finally becoming one of the largest corporations. To your point I think the team with Sia is doing an outstanding job when compared.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/091797apple.html
... We need a storage platform that people love using...
Yes, nothing else actually matters. Nothing.
Please read the Steve Jobs biography....
Obsession with "user experience" built the biggest corporation in the world.
You're mostly on the right track with Sia...
But running 3 programs, console interfaces, excessive locking, multiple passwords, lost coins, required router settings, dodgy upgrades, etc...
Show that you really DON'T GET IT... and are the sort of person Jobs would fire on the spot.
With BitTorrent, I can download a torrent with exactly 2 clicks... it's not too late to make Sia work.
This is all quite interesting.
From the OP
If I understood correctly would Sia be more secure than say a private network between data centres? I assume the private network would be more secure but that sia would be better than current web connected systems?
I only ask because I recently bought some shares in a company that builds private networks between data centres, so I've become a little interested, as this seems to be one way the industry is going.
From the OP
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All businesses will use Sia as a backend for cloud storage
Does that mean to say businesses will use SIA as a backup?Quote
The promise of Sia is a decentralized network of small datacenters that, taken together, comprise the world's fastest,
cheapest, and most secure cloud storage platform.
So a person could set up as a data centre by just using SIA and having some storage space and a connection to the web?cheapest, and most secure cloud storage platform.
If I understood correctly would Sia be more secure than say a private network between data centres? I assume the private network would be more secure but that sia would be better than current web connected systems?
I only ask because I recently bought some shares in a company that builds private networks between data centres, so I've become a little interested, as this seems to be one way the industry is going.
Hi all, I wonder if someone can help me out
1.How many coins are being mined each day?
2.How many Siacoins exist?
3.What does the emission curve look like?
Thanks
1.How many coins are being mined each day?
2.How many Siacoins exist?
3.What does the emission curve look like?
Thanks
There are a few curves in this google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15-SZfDFbw1N3sXtlBVOwm015GYtM3aqdJbSsPZWmY0w/edit?usp=sharing
Thank you. So there is roughly 1 billion coins added a month now, which will slow to about 1 Billion per year by the final coins in 2032?
Added in edit: I see all the info is in the OP
Hi all, I wonder if someone can help me out
1.How many coins are being mined each day?
2.How many Siacoins exist?
3.What does the emission curve look like?
Thanks
1.How many coins are being mined each day?
2.How many Siacoins exist?
3.What does the emission curve look like?
Thanks
There are a few curves in this google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15-SZfDFbw1N3sXtlBVOwm015GYtM3aqdJbSsPZWmY0w/edit?usp=sharing
Hi all, I wonder if someone can help me out
1.How many coins are being mined each day?
2.How many Siacoins exist?
3.What does the emission curve look like?
Thanks
1.How many coins are being mined each day?
2.How many Siacoins exist?
3.What does the emission curve look like?
Thanks
A new Bitcoinmagazine article on Sia - https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/sia-launches-decentralized-blockchain-based-storage-platform-similar-to-filecoin-and-storj-1449082814
Hey great read
Don't anyone give up the faith on Sia. Patience Is a Virtue
One day this will be the preferred decentralized storage option for the masses. A new Bitcoinmagazine article on Sia - https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/sia-launches-decentralized-blockchain-based-storage-platform-similar-to-filecoin-and-storj-1449082814
How much space I have to share/host to upload ? What is the proportion? For example I have to host 2GB to upload 1GB , someone made this test?
Why is any mining pool?
the protocol is specific to the coin, it requires a good amount of coding to make a pool.
and pool protocol will be same as other coins? standart stratum?
If you write it, otherwise only the person who finally comes out and does the work will decide the protocol. We have no way to know yet.
Why is any mining pool?
the protocol is specific to the coin, it requires a good amount of coding to make a pool.
and pool protocol will be same as other coins? standart stratum?
On UI CPU usage, it's based on chromium. Does chrome use similar resources when running? If so, there's not much we can do about it. If not, we can take note. There are a number of things in the UI that are probably not very efficient. Ongoing, we are working to improve performance.
It turned out that it's so CPU-hungry only while siad is downloading the blockchain.CPU usage isn't a problem when it's fully synced. Perhaps siad sends lots of events during syncing or something like that...
Also, how many minutes/hours did you wait for it to get unstuck?
So I deleted consensus.db and started over. It got stuck at 21664 again, but after some time went back to 205xx, then went further to 22040 and got stuck again for many hours (I tried restarting, reconnecting, etc).
I then tried a faster connection, and it helped: after 5 minutes or so it went further and eventually got fully synced.
To me it looks like there are several blockchain forks and siad is having a problem getting the latest one on a slowish connection.
So now I tried uploading and downloading some files. It worked, but I found several issues:
1. It's hard to figure out how much storing a file costs (or have costed, after the fact). (*)
2. I noticed it generates a bunch of transactions with wildly different sums, e.g. one is 0.02 S another is 5.4 S. Is that due to different prices or size is different too?
3. No information about redundancy.
4. Contract duration is specified in blocks, which is cryptic. I figured out that inter-block time is probably 10 minutes, then 6000 blocks is ~42 days.
5. The share box, after you opened it, it's impossible to close without restarting UI.
6. i find it strange that transaction list is not automatically updated, looks kinda confusing.
7. "Estimated competitive price" fluctuates wildly (I saw 5, 750 and some really huge number) and doesn't seem to be related to estimated cost on file tab. (E.g. estimated price is 750 S when cost is 220 S).
8. No notification after download is complete.
9. Most users will probably want to store files for a duration longer than a month, will it automatically refresh files? Can it refresh without downloading them? Do they need to be re-uploaded each time?
*: I tried to calculate it from balance changes, apparently it shows I spent 64 S so far to store 3 files 33 MB of files. This implies a cost of 1939 S / GB, which is quite a bit more than 220 S / GB estimate it shows now.
But actually there was a glitch: The first time I tried to upload these files I had to abort I had to abort it and restart siad at "processing" phase due to system thrashing on low memory, and it seems like money was spent even though upload wasn't completed... But it still doesn't explain difference in price, unless it was spending money repeatedly. Transaction list looks weird, there is a lot of small transactions, but also three spending 6.84 S (three transactions with identical values but different hash and time) and two spending 8.15 S.
Ok. You aren't the only one to report having troubles synchronizing to the network with a slow connection speed. We have some good ideas about what the problem is and how to fix it, but we are very intently focused on getting file contract renewals working. We definitely have network optimization on our todo list though, there's a lot of low-hanging fruit there (such as headers-first downloads, and hash-first flooding).
The transactions with different sums are due to the different prices of the hosts, some hosts are absurdly cheap, some are extremely absurdly cheap, and some are essentially free. That's why you see the flucuations. Also, sometimes you upload half of a file to one host, and then for some reason (cheaper prices, faster speeds, or other reasons) you switch hosts halfway through. Then you might end up with smaller amounts in the file contracts.
We're well aware that the renter doesn't provide enough information about the files, the redundancy, the availability, etc. We're prioritizing auto-renewing, but having greater transparency about the prices being paid is high on the todo list as well.
Right now we use 6000 blocks because it's just shy of 6 weeks. I'm not sure why I picked that amount, it seemed good to me at the time. We'll be switching to 30 days starting with the next version (2-3 weeks away we thing).
We appreciate all of the feedback you are giving us. It helps to keep us focused to have clear goals to work towards, and your feedback helps us keep sight of those goals.
Can't believe I bought some at 4 sat 
Over 300,000,000 siacoins were sold in the past day or two. I'm not sure where they came from, but it looks like someone major decided to dump at near-0 prices. I'm not sure what drove that decision, but maybe they switched over to Storj. I think they will, in the long run, regret that move. We'll see how the next 3-4 weeks play out, but we're doing some aggressive development right now.
Why is any mining pool?
the protocol is specific to the coin, it requires a good amount of coding to make a pool.
I feel pretty strongly that a mining pool should not be at the top of our priorities right now. We need a storage platform that people love using, and we've got a healthy enough hashrate for the current network size and price. Sia needs a better storage platform, so that's where we are currently directing all of our energy.
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