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Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | Decentralize Everything (decentralized blockexplorer coming) - page 241. (Read 790391 times)

legendary
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Decentralize Everything
And in general, how goes the fight for true decentralization?

Not too shabby. The potential of Mr Spread’s “anti-pool” innovation has been noted, borrowed, adopted, adapted and is now obliquely traceable via  reference #34 to Ziftrcoin (*) in Andrew Miller et als' preprint paper (PDF) Nonoutsourceable Scratch-Off Puzzles to Discourage Bitcoin Mining Coalitions.

So there ya go.

Cheers

Graham

(*) Spreadcoin repos was created well before Ziftrcoin.

Actually there is a Suprnova Pool for Spreadcoin as well as Ziftrcoin Smiley

I prefer to call it "Pool Discouragement" rather than "anti-pool". Smiley
legendary
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And in general, how goes the fight for true decentralization?

Not too shabby. The potential of Mr Spread’s “anti-pool” innovation has been noted, borrowed, adopted, adapted and is now obliquely traceable via  reference #34 to Ziftrcoin (*) in Andrew Miller et als' preprint paper (PDF) Nonoutsourceable Scratch-Off Puzzles to Discourage Bitcoin Mining Coalitions.

So there ya go.

Cheers

Graham

(*) Spreadcoin repos was created well before Ziftrcoin.

Actually there is a Suprnova Pool for Spreadcoin as well as Ziftrcoin Smiley
newbie
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Look of the power doge had and lost it all im hoping this doesn't have the same fate as this is gaining traction just like dogecoin did
legendary
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spreadcoin.info
Heya spreaders!

I've been following the coin in and out over the year, because I'm very pro decentralization.

I can't get a firm handle on what is going on with spreadcoin. For instance, proof of bitcoin node? I can't find details of that on the OP, and my cursory search of your website indicates that its talked about there... I might need to dig into it more. if you have some links, that'd be great. Trust me, I understand that time is limited and some things just take a while (I'm in the monero community....)

You are right.
ATM we are working on a better more structured website, so we can list all the necessary informations.
So that everybody can find the most recent destillations of the ongoing discussions.
I don't think that the OP is the right place for all this, we will only post in the OP what has been accomplished, not "what is going on".
That belongs to the roadmap/website/forum.

Additionally, are you guys still considering masternodes (servicenodes?). I was hoping this wouldn't be the case.
Yes, servicenodes will be an integral part of spreadcoin.

And in general, how goes the fight for true decentralization?

True decentralization demands very well thought out solutions. This takes time.

Stay tuned, lots of stuff happening in the background.

newbie
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#Spreadthecoin

Let's get this trending on twiter people!
member
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that didn't do it. is there a way I can get ur kernel into my older sgminer that does x11 on my old vid card?
legendary
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I have an older radeon 5700 card. there is error with the file from ur website
0x5e1c860: i32 = add 0x2694150, 0x5e17da0 [ORD=150] [ID=234]
  0x2694150: i32,ch = CopyFromReg 0x55f7838, 0x26940c8 [ORD=1] [ID=194]
    0x26940c8: i32 = Register %vreg410 [ORD=1] [ID=1]
  0x5e17da0: i32 = Constant<32> [ORD=21] [ID=25]
0x2694d88: i32 = undef [ORD=6] [ID=15]
then program closes.

double check process using these instructions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhDzpiBLDcA

also, check http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?board=4.0
member
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I have an older radeon 5700 card. there is error with the file from ur website
0x5e1c860: i32 = add 0x2694150, 0x5e17da0 [ORD=150] [ID=234]
  0x2694150: i32,ch = CopyFromReg 0x55f7838, 0x26940c8 [ORD=1] [ID=194]
    0x26940c8: i32 = Register %vreg410 [ORD=1] [ID=1]
  0x5e17da0: i32 = Constant<32> [ORD=21] [ID=25]
0x2694d88: i32 = undef [ORD=6] [ID=15]
then program closes.
legendary
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And in general, how goes the fight for true decentralization?

Not too shabby. The potential of Mr Spread’s “anti-pool” innovation has been noted, borrowed, adopted, adapted and is now obliquely traceable via  reference #34 to Ziftrcoin (*) in Andrew Miller et als' preprint paper (PDF) Nonoutsourceable Scratch-Off Puzzles to Discourage Bitcoin Mining Coalitions.

So there ya go.

Cheers

Graham

(*) Spreadcoin repos was created well before Ziftrcoin.
legendary
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Merit: 1002
Decentralize Everything
is there a working gpu miner for windows 64 AMD ? can I use the old darkcoin miner or is this dif algo?


The GPU miner in the OP should work ok.  I've been using it for quite a while on Win 64 AMD.

Are you seeing specific error message?

EDIT:  Yes, this is different Algo called SpreadX11.  SpreadX11 strongly discourages pools (if not completely preventing them).  There is more info in the OP and on spreadcoin.info.
member
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is there a working gpu miner for windows 64 AMD ? can I use the old darkcoin miner or is this dif algo?
legendary
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Hey Graham I couldn't help but notice https://minkiz.co in your personal text area.
What is that website all about? It seems confusing.
I'm pleased you asked that question Smiley

It's still very much in development but it's intended as an experiment in self-funding art. Banksy has Dismaland, we have Minkiz ...
Wow, that's amazing, I was totally not expecting that.
Well good luck with the site. (This seems like a pretty lame response to your massive reply, sorry)

Well, you know how it is with us pensioners, we like to keep busy Smiley

Thanks for the kind words.

Cheers

Graham
legendary
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Heya spreaders!

I've been following the coin in and out over the year, because I'm very pro decentralization.

I can't get a firm handle on what is going on with spreadcoin. For instance, proof of bitcoin node? I can't find details of that on the OP, and my cursory search of your website indicates that its talked about there... I might need to dig into it more. if you have some links, that'd be great. Trust me, I understand that time is limited and some things just take a while (I'm in the monero community....)

Additionally, are you guys still considering masternodes (servicenodes?). I was hoping this wouldn't be the case.

And in general, how goes the fight for true decentralization?
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1001
Crypto since 2014
Hey Graham I couldn't help but notice https://minkiz.co in your personal text area.
What is that website all about? It seems confusing.

I'm pleased you asked that question Smiley

It's still very much in development but it's intended as an experiment in self-funding art. Banksy has Dismaland, we have Minkiz.

Unfortunately, I managed to nuke the CSS framework and several exhibits on the live server via an ill-conceived upgrade so am a bit adrift in terms of explaining what it’s all about. Anyways, atm I'm slowly revising the CSS framework usage but have been interrupted by events.

The different coin lists and charts are rendered from metadata directly obtained from DOACC's semweb RDF graph (but see below), they're just an HTML rendering of the metadata. ACME is a nearly-finished RPC-based block explorer implemented in Python with an RDF back-end that allows me to just spool the blockchain and tx into an RDF graph if I wish. The Linked Open Data explorer and SPARQL query facility are just public convenience access points for those who, for various reasons, don’t find it convenient to work with their own local copy of the DOACC RDF graph.

The Foundry is a complex piece, its overt aspect is rather a tongue-in-cheek swipe at the shallow models underlying “algo frenzy” by purporting to offer click'n'drool coin cloning. In doing so, it highlights just how little the difference can be between one altcoin and another. The web forms presenting the parameters draw from the DOACC metadata collection, so (at least for those coins that are fairly straightforward clones) you could, in theory, take the “economic profile” of a coin as rendered by the form and impose it on a fresh codebase to reproduce the coin --- the correct genesis block hash would be re-generated, it'd effectively be a seamless upgrade.

Of course, to be able to do that, you'd need to have the C++ sources available in template form so that replacement of parameter values is properly controlled. Well, the insider joke is ... I do have those templates (for 0.8, Core 0.9, 0.10 and, recently, 0.11 versions). The Foundry does actually work and, when allowed to do so, generates perfectly-functioning 0.11 altcoins of nearly all the algos offered.

I’m also minded to work up a full UI, give the user a choice of diff smoothing modifier (KGW, DGW, etc), reward schedule, etc. The list isn't endless, it models the few choices that devs are usually capable of offering but I believe I can also offer a range of GUI enhancement add-ons such as a block explorer, IRC tab, etc.

And that does include 0.11 versions, e.g. this from a current side-project that includes Mr Spread's enhanced blockchain browser, the bog-standard Bittrex trading tab re-purposed for use with Bleutrade (using the new financial charts from the recently-upgraded qcustomplot library) and a couple of “network health” charts. (Not shown is the “cryptlane” in-wallet market for which only the UI is functional because at this point I don't wish to muck about with extending the blockchain until I've got a better understanding of the implications for block size):



I anticipate that the more ambitious services that are currently being planned/implemented will result in users having raised expectations about the range of functionality and support available in a contemporaneous wallet but the vanilla 0.11 GUI is still something of a misplaced exercise in utilitarianism.

As an aside ... the DOACC data is overdue an update, I have data for another coupla hundred recently-launched alts to add but again, I got interrupted by events - I discovered that a static GH pages installation would actually do what I had in mind for DOACC's documentation, so I followed CLAMs lead and developed an open source version: https://github.com/DOACC/DOACC.github.io which uses JS to illustrate what can (trivially) be done with the RDF graph. It renders reasonably well even if it does hammer the browser:

http://DOACC.github.io

should come over as a little less haphazardly organised than Minkiz Smiley

HTH

Cheers

Graham

Wow, that's amazing, I was totally not expecting that.
Well good luck with the site. (This seems like a pretty lame response to your massive reply, sorry)
legendary
Activity: 1456
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Just a thought, for the ideas list:

We could make spreadcoin.info the place just for the new SPR explorer which should be due out this week (I think Chaos is looking to upload something on miningcores.com); and have another domain for the general website? Georgem has an explorer for official websites on his to do list.

legendary
Activity: 2254
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Hey Graham I couldn't help but notice https://minkiz.co in your personal text area.
What is that website all about? It seems confusing.

I'm pleased you asked that question Smiley

It's still very much in development but it's intended as an experiment in self-funding art. Banksy has Dismaland, we have Minkiz.

Unfortunately, I managed to nuke the CSS framework and several exhibits on the live server via an ill-conceived upgrade so am a bit adrift in terms of explaining what it’s all about. Anyways, atm I'm slowly revising the CSS framework usage but have been interrupted by events.

The different coin lists and charts are rendered from metadata directly obtained from DOACC's semweb RDF graph (but see below), they're just an HTML rendering of the metadata. ACME is a nearly-finished RPC-based block explorer implemented in Python with an RDF back-end that allows me to just spool the blockchain and tx into an RDF graph if I wish. The Linked Open Data explorer and SPARQL query facility are just public convenience access points for those who, for various reasons, don’t find it convenient to work with their own local copy of the DOACC RDF graph.

The Foundry is a complex piece, its overt aspect is rather a tongue-in-cheek swipe at the shallow models underlying “algo frenzy” by purporting to offer click'n'drool coin cloning. In doing so, it highlights just how little the difference can be between one altcoin and another. The web forms presenting the parameters draw from the DOACC metadata collection, so (at least for those coins that are fairly straightforward clones) you could, in theory, take the “economic profile” of a coin as rendered by the form and impose it on a fresh codebase to reproduce the coin --- the correct genesis block hash would be re-generated, it'd effectively be a seamless upgrade.

Of course, to be able to do that, you'd need to have the C++ sources available in template form so that replacement of parameter values is properly controlled. Well, the insider joke is ... I do have those templates (for 0.8, Core 0.9, 0.10 and, recently, 0.11 versions). The Foundry does actually work and, when allowed to do so, generates perfectly-functioning 0.11 altcoins of nearly all the algos offered.

I’m also minded to work up a full UI, give the user a choice of diff smoothing modifier (KGW, DGW, etc), reward schedule, etc. The list isn't endless, it models the few choices that devs are usually capable of offering but I believe I can also offer a range of GUI enhancement add-ons such as a block explorer, IRC tab, etc.

And that does include 0.11 versions, e.g. this from a current side-project that includes Mr Spread's enhanced blockchain browser, the bog-standard Bittrex trading tab re-purposed for use with Bleutrade (using the new financial charts from the recently-upgraded qcustomplot library) and a couple of “network health” charts. (Not shown is the “cryptlane” in-wallet market for which only the UI is functional because at this point I don't wish to muck about with extending the blockchain until I've got a better understanding of the implications for block size):



I anticipate that the more ambitious services that are currently being planned/implemented will result in users having raised expectations about the range of functionality and support available in a contemporaneous wallet but the vanilla 0.11 GUI is still something of a misplaced exercise in utilitarianism.

As an aside ... the DOACC data is overdue an update, I have data for another coupla hundred recently-launched alts to add but again, I got interrupted by events - I discovered that a static GH pages installation would actually do what I had in mind for DOACC's documentation, so I followed CLAMs lead and developed an open source version: https://github.com/DOACC/DOACC.github.io which uses JS to illustrate what can (trivially) be done with the RDF graph. It renders reasonably well even if it does hammer the browser:

http://DOACC.github.io

should come over as a little less haphazardly organised than Minkiz Smiley

HTH

Cheers

Graham
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1002
Decentralize Everything
Dogecoin price being dragged down by LTC?

If anything, Doge is a beautiful example of the power of community.  I'm a secret Doge lover.

Indeed so. Here also - not secretly either, I admire what went into the creation, it's a fine example of how to get it right.

Cheers

Graham


Hi Graham.

Things are quite tricky to portray on BCT at the moment.  There is so much going on behind the scenes in terms of feedback and discourse on Coins101's BIPs which indicate that our proposals have potentially great support but at the same time we've got an overall lack of spare time to make progress in other areas.  I'm personally finding that I don't have the expertise to complete some of my tasks so we have some gaps to fill in the team imo.

Anyway, its update day today so I'll be posting an update on all fronts this afternoon.  We're getting there one step at a time.
legendary
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Crypto since 2014


Hey Graham I couldn't help but notice https://minkiz.co in your personal text area.
What is that website all about? It seems confusing.
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 1278
Dogecoin price being dragged down by LTC?

If anything, Doge is a beautiful example of the power of community.  I'm a secret Doge lover.

Indeed so. Here also - not secretly either, I admire what went into the creation, it's a fine example of how to get it right.

Cheers

Graham
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1002
Decentralize Everything
Dogecoin price being dragged down by LTC?

If anything, Doge is a beautiful example of the power of community.  I'm a secret Doge lover.
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