Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes - page 313. (Read 810083 times)

But that's exactly my point.
Let darkcoin perfect it's anonymization process... they already have the best developer for this.
It will probably take darkcoin a few more years to develop a brilliantly working ecash solution. (those things need time, I hope you all are planning long term.)

But meanwhile... what does Mr.Spread do? Just wait?

Ofcourse not. He should concentrate on the things he's already proven to be exceptional in:

1) solo-mining / decentralization methods
2) best wallet I have seen to this day...
...

so why not just continue walking this path?

for example:

3) More wallet features (p2p messaging etc)
4) Even stronger solo-mining enforcing
5) keep offering people ONE WALLET AND NOTHING ELSE ----- > MOST SPREADABLE COIN EVER.
( I even hope that Mr.Spread figures out a way to make GPU mining impossible or rather irrelevant... I am dreaming ofcourse... or am I?)

Does spreadcoin even want to become an "anonymous coin"? For me this is not so important because d'uh I already have darkcoin being developed!
And pseudonimity would suffice for 90% of the stuff I'd want to do online.  

I agree, masternode implementation is number one priority.

I hope MrSpread comes out with a write up on where SPR is going before he drops it.

+1 and completely agree with you on this. Looking forward to seeing your post on the business side of SPR

Here are the top miners (at least 100 mined blocks)

Address	Value Out	Blocks
SNYqcyEtXr5UWpxMds8mQ9x8jo8fWFJVKz	25132.25002491	3789
SZaEGTuuxCKNz1Dde9ervUqh89ekuUf8Fc	8886.61391666	1391
SQeJJfYkaUTwP1yiGwM342gM37GMQB9F8C	7839.16155663	1228
SkJs7RGxuDhehDwjWyyZGg3bBMsDbS1h81	7501.69399314	1175
SRuCLqXEKJVr9TWXWkdUxDJNkuwGT7tCYo	6392.36924344	1001
Sf4iFeN3tP281DxpA9wjUjdwrfskE5aozc	5546.72598491	870
SS27ugqjpn9B6T4F17ZKYgAM2EELN7pHvH	5493.97567832	866
Sc8KwkyfNev6JgXQN5vxP8P9f9Kz6rVdec	5066.6133866	799
SaK77W2jomJhWeu8ZqoUaNY1L1YBGF12xj	3879.95081352	607
SfRf62XcdDVsbJK6RdAZURKzaq2p9bGgGq	2861.98886501	443
SQhEhyk4ycbFrjuG6Zkpnr6ET2JSJRPDco	2680.41563998	414
SXWorE1atGxLQ7iFQeMBhR48Y5Aj16LvDn	2606.15745329	403
SNeuhKzCr1wqf2fpciviAUVnZqVWjgo4ZS	2343.02064501	363
SfVk4jofxfzd9Fy5LXfzvi3PRrEN3wJTZR	2162.44268333	335
SbU78ZkzU94Q4CuWSZZ5BhsH5NoTCMfkoX	2125.93139161	330
ScY4UZgzbk4EciXdaNyBLWyLzks6DQi1R3	2009.42863502	310
SNFrUzzAuW9G9vcznUDV2CdnUbUDUGyhij	1702.8232417	267
SbA1zLouyE2D1BkF6TXUbRU77mJY4FyfUx	1494.05592504	233
SYiJC6BpNdUSrtWBqbCbpktNVsit6kNkLp	1366.57890335	212
SVDi85iCqoSiXBNMv289C1519WPJ1pBdJD	1289.83684171	203
SeF8S4kFHMEY91Sfy3ACaMTDFTESFZaXuc	1158.19144499	179
Sgx8CgiqPnHPhYe6mB2VsDE919aDEqV7wN	1155.17710829	179
SYbbngdnUuK5Vg8p3LmqAG7LsaCPMDqxg9	1107.70596661	172
STrbziWSQTeaRuqaeb2fhFRBtqSfJVVcok	1070.15835667	165
SV4phTYGgq8uYBuyCDQxkWXgP8A95TUph2	924.77409507	145
SekFom4Zskbe4dSc47CzXYCaionEtstDnj	894.17436672	139
SVLJVPAXo4Qu6eamnXeoCx4xvSN6vXLssD	820.43232334	128
SPbiVupNphvnNk52297mDhSt1WLaPVMw1s	737.10111833	114
ScfqV4U7wZB54rupExckJzNyUHUpviYbCj	715.77151998	111
SV87XKmHz8egHuQGL8g9wbWxREcTyWYhvV	715.133695	113
SjUCg4jUB2XMDSaR3BuxCTSVbQEufkjR7c	710.82767332	112
SS9SiL7bucG6dxFCRez8SuF57ctFMgBKJm	707.91073502	111
SQ5xucn5xiSfdA8WG69wqBzLEgj284Kjoa	695.15872002	108

Humm, i dunno.

Couldn't masternodes or instantx provide this service?

I know the anonymization is done prier to you sending the coins, but couldn't you have a set file on your end that has your home address say, and when you anonymize coins you can select coins to have that file attached?

This would allow you to mix coins with your home address ready, you can then select those coins with the address attached for when you want to buy something.

Would this compromise anon tho...

Masternodes don't create centralization, they provide additional functionality whether that be mixing or whatever Mr. Spread wants to implement.

I have a background in venture capital.  One of the most common mistakes startups make is trying to do too much too soon.  They spread themselves too thin and move away from what excited me about them in the first place.  Everyone wants to please their customers/investors/employees/grandma, so when they make suggestions, they often try to make those suggestions a reality.  The next thing you know, instead of having one thing they do extremely well, they have a bunch of things that suck.  It's my job after I invest to make sure this doesn't happen.

I'm not against the idea of an in-wallet messaging system.  It's an interesting idea, but I assure you, it's not going to make SPR a $xx,xxx,xxx++ coin.  Maybe it'll make it a mid to high $xxx,xxx coin, but that's about it.  When you have a developer like Mr. Spread, you want to go for the big hit.  That's why I always invest in devs first and foremost.  It's why I didn't sell a single Darkcoin until it hit 40 million market cap despite being an early adopter: I knew Evan Duffield was a fucking fantastic dev and just as important, he was sticking to his vision.

I suggested masternodes early in this thread for a variety of reasons and I'm excited that Mr. Spread is working to implement an improved version.  Once they're implemented, what direction he chooses to take will rest with him, but as a community, the suggestions we make should be to go for the big score.  Why not turn Spreadcoin into a billion dollar coin?  It has the lead dev necessary for it, so why not?  Sure, SPR can have in-wallet messaging, but in my opinion, those type of features should be developed by devs that join the team later on.  Have Mr. Spread work on the critical app side of Spreadcoin.  When I say critical app, I mean application of cryptocurrency that is going to make your grandma want to own and utilize Spreadcoin.  What is that?  I'm not sure.  But I do believe that Mr. Spread and this community have the potential to make it happen.

I've been working to find time to make a post about the business side of Spreadcoin that can help separate it from every other coin in the future.  I hope to do that later tonight or tomorrow.

Critical app + sound business acumen + good marketing + gung ho community = billion dollar coin.  

Someone has to.  Why not Spreadcoin?  

But that's the point.
The blockchain needs storing.
The messages don't!
(the "message blocks" (containing the messages each pointing to the transactions contained in the blockchain blocks of every minute) could be stored in the data folder temporarily, and deleted after a while, say after 24-48 hours)

That's a bit silly since you'd be downloading lots of mb's of messages but not storing them.

What if a wallet / message node constantly receives and sends thru completely random messages that are sent around the world at every moment?
Like a stream of data, that SPREADS (again this word) thru all the wallets ...

... and only the wallet that realizes that the message is designated for it will open it and be able to make it readable.
It will probably even keep sending the message to other nodes for a while, so as not to reveal that it was the "endpoint" for this message.

...

this way we wouldnt need ANY ip obfuscation...
Think of it like a constant stream of data (a stream of bottle messages), and nobody sees that you briefly took a bootle out of the stream, read its content and put it back into the stream with all the other bottles...

I've got a good idea:

We have message nodes that are free to run. When your wallet recieves a transaction it checks with the message nodes for messages sent at that same time and it downloads your message and decrypts it. To make sure the messaging nodes don't know the ip of the addresses we could make each wallet randomly check the message nodes even when they don't receive a transaction. Then the nodes won't know which address corresponds with each ip.

We can also have a limit to how long messages are stored. Maybe after a fortnight of storage on the message nodes the message is deleted.

This would need to happen outside of the blockchain.

Messages are not something that has to be kept for eternity on a distributed ledger, in the contrary. It is something to throw away as soon as possible.

It must only be assured that a message is encrypted and reaches its destination.
After that, they are kept within the wallet.dat or so (if wanted). NOT the blockchain.

The blockchain would only be used by the messaging system as some kind of control mechanism:
To reassure that only the owner of an address can also read the message that has been sent (thru p2p NOT "thru the blockchain") to his address.

So probably Spreadcoin should NOT try to mimic darkcoin and its masternodes 1 on 1.
Instead it should strive to implement some kind of CHEAP and easily available MESSAGE NODES.

Forget masternodes... (doesn't requiremenet of 1000 DRK etc lead to just another form of centralization?)

What if EVERY SINGLE spreadcoin wallet would act as message node? For free?

I see a recurring meme with spreadcoin: It must be INCLUSIVE to spread easily. But special expensive masternodes are very EXCLUSIVE (meaning only people with money or early adopters get to have them).

There is nothing more INCLUSIVE than the spreadcoin wallet itself. Just download a wallet and you are good to go.

Just download a wallet and you can mine, message, etc.. at this point SPREADCOIN would really deserve its name. And truly hold up to its name.

We don't need pools, we don't need servers, we just need wallets and the network they create. Period.
And the underlying blockchain that keeps all that together.

Therefor I hope that spreadcoin and darkcoin (while obviously very friendly towards each other) do NOT walk a similar walk, but both of them try different things.
That's also the best way to reassure that darkcoin investors will want to ADDITIONALY invest in spreadcoin... not because it is BETTER than darkcoin, or about to replace it or whatever, but because they are perfectly complementing each other.

IMHO, spreadcoin shouldn't even try to go for anonymous mixing methods and stuff... don't copy darkcoin.
Just do one thing only: spreading the sprevolution.
Let's concentrate on keeping the coin very solo-mineable and let's introduce an encrypted pseudoanonymous messaging service (pseudoanonymous as in: you don't know WHAT the message is, but you could probably find out to what address it was sent).

Think about "E-Mail with money in it". Can you imagine.

This is spreadcoin, it should not walk in the shadow of darkcoin.  
It should walk by itself.

Wouldn't this bloat the blockchain? Unless the chat is not recorded into the blockchain I don't think this would be very good.

Very nice. P2P chat. And instead of having usernames you just "talk" to SPR addresses.

So when someone sends me money, I can personally talk back to him (even without really knowing who he is) and thank him etc...

I am still reading up on the whole thread, now on page 47, lol.

I want to know everything that happened before.

Sum (BTC)    Total (BTC)    Size (SPR)      Bid (BTC)
2.9873            2.9822           8644.18106633   0.00034500
I'll buy some cheap BTC from okcoin ,then to buy some cheap SPR from bittrex. 

I guess Mr.spread is buy with MN right now.
When MS finished,I am very much looking forward to the p2p messaging feature ~

No FREAKING WAY!!! There is a something brewing people and it's going to be big I'm thinking

Goddamn it, someone just beat me to it at ccex too:

I'm pretty sure that Mr. Spread is pretty open to the communities input on what they would like to see in the coin which is what makes him such an amazing and terrific dev He listens to what the people supporting his coin want to see and he looks into helping out in anyway that he possibly can which is awesome of a dev to do for a coin that they have dedicated so much time to creating