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Topic: [ANN] [ZID] Identity | SINGULARITY roadmap --> DNA | AI | no ICO, no premine - page 10. (Read 21478 times)

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Thanks for the update. I know you're busy, but any ETA on when this will be fixed? Look forward to have another dev or two on the team soon Smiley
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This no longer looks like a sudden change of diff, it's been 27 hours since last block.
I am not familiar with cryptonote code, maybe the dev can shed some light on this.

Hey,

So you are correct last time and this time have nothing to do with difficulty, the first time it was because the seed nodes haulted and when reset it was an instant fix.

This time it is because at block 28116 it is a different version of the chain that was sent a transaction, and the chain does not like that.


Normally it would not matter but it was sent directly from the seed node.
Easy fix when I get home I will take care of it.

I apologize for not being on here other wise I would have commented sooner. I have been super busy with unexpected bad news. Lots of traveling and have to make another trip this weekend.

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This no longer looks like a sudden change of diff, it's been 27 hours since last block.
I am not familiar with cryptonote code, maybe the dev can shed some light on this.
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Is mining broken? All pools seem to be stuck on Block found "6 hours ago" and block 28116...

This could be caused by sudden change in diff because of big hash jumping in and out, it's not the first time.

How to solve this ?
Can't mine now.
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Dev must have a look at this.  Angry Angry

Still stuck.
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Is mining broken? All pools seem to be stuck on Block found "6 hours ago" and block 28116...

This could be caused by sudden change in diff because of big hash jumping in and out, it's not the first time.

Here: last block found: about 12 hours ago!
legendary
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https://twitter.com/JStuhlman
Is mining broken? All pools seem to be stuck on Block found "6 hours ago" and block 28116...

This could be caused by sudden change in diff because of big hash jumping in and out, it's not the first time.
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Is mining broken? All pools seem to be stuck on Block found "6 hours ago" and block 28116...
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The Deposit function in Identity wallet seems not work correctly.

When I tried to deposit some Credits, it stuck and said "transaction size is too large" after several minutes.

Can you have a look at this?
If you are mining, chances are, you will receive a large number of transactions but a tiny amount of coins per transaction.
All these added to the transaction you try to send and eventually the size reach "transaction size is too large"
Try to sent fewer coins (in my case it worked with 200-400).

Thanks a lot.
I will try this way later.
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The Deposit function in Identity wallet seems not work correctly.

When I tried to deposit some Credits, it stuck and said "transaction size is too large" after several minutes.

Can you have a look at this?
If you are mining, chances are, you will receive a large number of transactions but a tiny amount of coins per transaction.
All these added to the transaction you try to send and eventually the size reach "transaction size is too large"
Try to sent fewer coins (in my case it worked with 200-400).
hero member
Activity: 700
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The Deposit function in Identity wallet seems not work correctly.

When I tried to deposit some Credits, it stuck and said "transaction size is too large" after several minutes.

Can you have a look at this?
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To clear up something.

The singularity is a decentralized internet.

A web in between webs.

The currency is money used on the web.

Think of the singularity like the internet.
Think of the currency like bitcoin.

Now
Both play a valuable role and work in tandem.

One is minable
One is not

One is used as money
One is used as energy to develop,run and host applications.

Having options is good in business.

Having two markets is good for investors.

Note that the singularity isn't going to be happen over night.

For the time being the focus is on the currency.

The progress for the singularity will be done on the side until it is ready.

And above all trust me I've put alotnof thought into this:^)
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This creates more questions than answers, can you elaborate on how the two chains are related.

>I wanted to keep a simple efficient currency separate from the tokens to, keep it simple.

how does that work in favor of keeping it simple? it seems to add complexity and makes the mined coins somewhat of less value.

Seems we are in perfect agreement again, TheStuhlman.

Yes, I can't see how multiple tokens are going to make things simpler.  I am also confused because the second POS chain is meant to be the fuel for apps.  What use do the tokens on the first chain have, and why would anyone want to mine, buy, or hold them?  The tokens on the second chain seem to be the only ones of value, and they are being airdropped for free.  The tokens on the first chain seem useless, yet you need to mine or purchase them.  Pretty warped incentive model that is going to lead to a weak and vulnerable PoW network.


ok I had a technical long explanation typed up but I erased it. We can save that for later.

This is why.

It's called options.

In business you have options to meet different demographics.

Do i want this simple coin?
Do i want this complicated coin?

Why would having both make one useless?

Has ether made btc useless or monero? Or the USD?

there will always be options. And fans of one or the other.

Me personally both.

Because the currency is for money.
The fuel tokens are for running applications.

I wouldn't buy a burger with gasoline and burn money for fuel.

Smiles

Edit: I'd like to add that in the markets this will make great market play for users and what Do you say of NXT and ARDOR ?
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This creates more questions than answers, can you elaborate on how the two chains are related.

>I wanted to keep a simple efficient currency separate from the tokens to, keep it simple.

how does that work in favor of keeping it simple? it seems to add complexity and makes the mined coins somewhat of less value.

Seems we are in perfect agreement again, TheStuhlman.

Yes, I can't see how multiple tokens are going to make things simpler.  I am also confused because the second POS chain is meant to be the fuel for apps.  What use do the tokens on the first chain have, and why would anyone want to mine, buy, or hold them?  The tokens on the second chain seem to be the only ones of value, and they are being airdropped for free.  The tokens on the first chain seem useless, yet you need to mine or purchase them.  Pretty warped incentive model that is going to lead to a weak and vulnerable PoW network.

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Scrap this.  An entire year of mining amounts to about 3.18 million coins.  This "fair distribution fund" is never going to come close to 1 million coins.  100k coins in the first year is even an incredibly lofty goal.  Either way, by the time such a fund were to reach a significant amount, it will no longer be useful.  The whole point of air drops and distributing free coins is to jump start the "network effect".  That point is moot after 6 months to a year of development.
I agree completely the new Ann page won't have it. The release of the second chain will though. It's POS no mine, with air drop.

I'm confused now. There will be a second coin too? So there will never be an airdrop (or whatever you wanna call it) for zid?


The first chain is the currency the second  chain will be much more and the tokens are essentially fuel for the network.


There are two chains that work in tandem with each other.

One is pure currency. One is programmable for side chains and smart contracts. Chain one you can mine. Chain two is un minable. POS running nodes will make you earn tokens.

Since chain two is premined tokens they will be given away and other rewards offered.

Chain one was no premine so unless we have a mass amount of funds for the donation it won't happen.

Like I said before things are subject to change, as we progress for the better.

Does this mean chain two will be share-dropped from the mining done in chain one? I hope that's what you mean be "premined". What would be the incentive to mine chain one after that happens though?

On a different note, the GUI wallet on Windows never worked, and it crashes after 10 seconds on Ubuntu 16.04. Works on 14.04 though. I hope there will be wallet recovery from the private key, QR code etc.

Overall, all of this is promising, but my main feedback would be to keep things simple, get a MVP out soon. You can work on more complex stuff like the medical records in future versions.

That's exactly the plan.

Givin I have a chance from work and  family to sit down soon the new announcement page will have a timeline of what will be done. If you read the part that says sneak peek it implys just that. The full new page will have everything broken down into sections.

To give you a bit of information here is he basic summary.

First and foremost:

-Chain one

>improvements to upgrade current cryptonote standards
>finish block explorer
>update website, Global Blocks and pool pages.
>improve wallet and release working downloads.
>enhance terminal experience. E.g. make using simplewallet and running chain more unique
>add currency chain global ID which is basically an alias name you choose to use as your wallet address.
>create global verification for currency chain.
  Those last two are why I have not worried about the wallet yet. It has a lot to do with it. For now users can download Simple wallet for both 32 and 64 bit Linux and Windows. Doesn't monero still only have simple wallet?

However if you can manage to compile the wallet with given instructions to essentially test messenger or  kudos. :^)

My main mvp for now is global ID and verification.

I kind of like to out do myself and work meticulously on road map, new page and white paper

Also you can backup your wallets no problem.

Back to the timeline, meanwhile I will be working on the side creating the second chain, and all of the singularity updates. Including the top secret one. Which will be out long before the singularity.

I'm going to release each feature at a time. I'm not going to make you all wait for it to be done.

To answer your question about be two chains.

The currency is the "currency" you can mine and will always mine this until the day it maxes out.
The fuel for the network is the fuel for applications.

While you can trade ,pay ,buy fuel tokens. Only the tokens can be used to run nodes and applications per the singularity chain. These will be un minable .

I wanted to keep a simple efficient currency separate from the tokens to, keep it simple.

You will see why all this matters in time if you don't understand. Trust me

Smiley

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Scrap this.  An entire year of mining amounts to about 3.18 million coins.  This "fair distribution fund" is never going to come close to 1 million coins.  100k coins in the first year is even an incredibly lofty goal.  Either way, by the time such a fund were to reach a significant amount, it will no longer be useful.  The whole point of air drops and distributing free coins is to jump start the "network effect".  That point is moot after 6 months to a year of development.
I agree completely the new Ann page won't have it. The release of the second chain will though. It's POS no mine, with air drop.

I'm confused now. There will be a second coin too? So there will never be an airdrop (or whatever you wanna call it) for zid?


The first chain is the currency the second  chain will be much more and the tokens are essentially fuel for the network.


There are two chains that work in tandem with each other.

One is pure currency. One is programmable for side chains and smart contracts. Chain one you can mine. Chain two is un minable. POS running nodes will make you earn tokens.

Since chain two is premined tokens they will be given away and other rewards offered.

Chain one was no premine so unless we have a mass amount of funds for the donation it won't happen.

Like I said before things are subject to change, as we progress for the better.

Does this mean chain two will be share-dropped from the mining done in chain one? I hope that's what you mean be "premined". What would be the incentive to mine chain one after that happens though?

On a different note, the GUI wallet on Windows never worked, and it crashes after 10 seconds on Ubuntu 16.04. Works on 14.04 though. I hope there will be wallet recovery from the private key, QR code etc.

Overall, all of this is promising, but my main feedback would be to keep things simple, get a MVP out soon. You can work on more complex stuff like the medical records in future versions.
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Scrap this.  An entire year of mining amounts to about 3.18 million coins.  This "fair distribution fund" is never going to come close to 1 million coins.  100k coins in the first year is even an incredibly lofty goal.  Either way, by the time such a fund were to reach a significant amount, it will no longer be useful.  The whole point of air drops and distributing free coins is to jump start the "network effect".  That point is moot after 6 months to a year of development.
I agree completely the new Ann page won't have it. The release of the second chain will though. It's POS no mine, with air drop.

I'm confused now. There will be a second coin too? So there will never be an airdrop (or whatever you wanna call it) for zid?


The first chain is the currency the second  chain will be much more and the tokens are essentially fuel for the network.


There are two chains that work in tandem with each other.

One is pure currency. One is programmable for side chains and smart contracts. Chain one you can mine. Chain two is un minable. POS running nodes will make you earn tokens.

Since chain two is premined tokens they will be given away and other rewards offered.

Chain one was no premine so unless we have a mass amount of funds for the donation it won't happen.

Like I said before things are subject to change, as we progress for the better.



It seems that the chain two is more valuable ; Smiley Smiley
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