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copper member
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I got a question about POS, that is very important for me to be answered, because of my religion. the question is:  Can i choose to hold block but NOT TO STAKE my coins, lets say i got 100Block in my wallet for 2 years, then i still want them to be 100 block i dont want Stake reward is this possible, or is my wallet force-staking automaticly?

Brother if your religion is Islam (assalamu alaikum) I can assure you that staking is NOT Riba (interest), it's different in the sense that it's more of a reward for securing the network rather than "money generating money" out of thin air like the ones who are in the banking industry, especially since there are no loans involved, and if there were no nodes securing a network then that network would fail to exist!

Please do not be confused from the websites and people who say these are "interest" payments, they're not the same as those that are forbidden for us as mentioned in the Holy Quran;

The Holy Quran, Chapter 2 Verse 275
"Those who consume interest cannot stand [on the Day of Resurrection] except as one stands who is being beaten by Satan into insanity. That is because they say, "Trade is [just] like interest." But Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest. So whoever has received an admonition from his Lord and desists may have what is past, and his affair rests with Allah . But whoever returns to [dealing in interest or usury] - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide eternally therein."

I will give you another example, when miners on the Bitcoin network are "mining" for Bitcoin, they're using electricity and resources, this is similar to a trade.
They trade electricity, time, and resources for the chance of receiving a portion of a Bitcoin.
The same thing applies to the cryptocurrencies with a 'Proof of Stake' system, the ones who hold the coins have become the 'miners' and they are securing the network through holding their coins.

To summarise:
Bitcoin: They trade a large amount of electricity, resources and time for the chance to receive a portion of Bitcoin as a reward. = not RIBA.
Proof of Stake: They trade a small amount of electricity, resources and time for the chance to receive a portion of the POS currency as a reward. = not RIBA.

But to answer your initial question, yes you can hold your BLOCK without staking it. I believe to stake your BLOCK you must unlock your wallet and wait for a period of time before it will start to reward you.

It is generally a similar system, however the Proof of Stake system is more environmentally friendly which I see as much better.
And Allah knows best (Allahu A'alam).
hero member
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hero member
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Merit: 521
Does this help? :

https://www.reddit.com/r/theblocknet/comments/676buj/ask_anything_about_blocknet_qa/?sort=new

The Blocknet is the only project in our awareness that decentralises the four core functions of an exchange - capital deposits, order broadcast, order matching, and coin exchange.
all coins stay in wallets
orders are broadcast over an inter-chain DHT network overlay
order books are compiled by local applications, not a central or distributed entity
coin exchange is atomic and trustless, utilising OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY and not requiring the control of any third party.
As for interoperability in general and the emerging token ecosystem, the Blocknet is deliberately designed to function as infrastructure. No central chain is required, enabling services to be built on any chain and monetised and delivered over xbridgep2p, our "blockchain router," to nodes on any other chain and to dapps harnessing blockchain services.

monetised API consumption
digital service delivery

The Blocknet is designed as infrastructure for the emerging token ecosystem. Any service or orchestrated sequence of microservices provided by dapps may be delivered over the Blocknet's infrastructure.
Using decentralised exchange, these services are intrinsically monetisable, removing the friction and high costs of traditional payment networks - friction which has prevented the monetisation of the bulk of the API ecosystem.
Due to the decentralised exchange, consumers of a service may pay in their native token even if the service consumes a different token.

If you're looking for concrete examples, the scenario is the same as current apps with a microservices architecture: you can build any of them with a monolithic architecture, but they'll struggle to scale, bugfixing is harder, a bug anywhere can break the entire thing, and they're not composable (i.e. they cannot be broken down into sub-services which may be used and monetised in other ways).
So... take all the dapps in existence. We're making the case that it's best to build many of them as inter-chain dapps.

I'll list a couple of simple ideas:

Zcash mixer (clone a multiwallet, integrate xbridgep2p, auto-trade for Zcash and back to any other currency. Near-perfect mixing)
A marketplace app. You'd want the following services: (a) customer reputation and info, (b) payment processing, (c) image storage, (d) item listings. Use a microservices architecture for the reasons given above, gaining the advantages of utilising multiple blockchains. Use one chain to store encrypted customer info (see the final item on this list), use the Blocknet's XBridge to accept payments in any cryptocurrency, store images on a server, and use a third chain and in-wallet code for the item listings and UX. The result: a scalable, composable set of services that are easier to bugfix, ungrade, or replace.

The use of any Ethereum contract by supplying "gas" in other coins
A stablecoin that maintains its peg by exploiting the fact that trade records on a dx are on-chain (checks trade records; burns/creates or freezes/unfreezes coins to maintain a precisely equivalent money supply)
An OAuth killer: a personal information service that records encrypted personal metadata on your chain and comes with a revocable permissioning system. Users thus acquire self-sovereignty over their personal information. From there, you can integrate to any site/app requiring sign-in, or users can voluntarily sell their metadata to advertisers for micropayments (sorry, Google Ads), or it can support passport/identity systems.

Thank you for that but still I understand tech behind this coin and ongoing development but there isn't one working app. Why?

Because the DX toook a long time to get right and it took 3 builds for the devs to be happy with it.  This is in fact the 3rd build.  This project is only now coming out of its first phase.  Hard fork in a few weeks, then the UI, then the apps & dapps. Patience.  Please join slack for more details.  Wink  https://blocknet.herokuapp.com/
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jr. member
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staking is like interest rate from banks, and this is prohibited in Islam.

So lets say i just download the wallet, i bought 100block and then what? i just close wallet and that is it or do i have to do something so they are not staking?

There's an option to lock or unlock your wallet.  Unlocked = staking, Locked = not staking
legendary
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7,17$

Crazy.  Cheesy

I expected it to grow of course, but not that fast. I guess many people wanted to get 5000 ASAP, for the nodes.
sr. member
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newbie
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staking is like interest rate from banks, and this is prohibited in Islam.

So lets say i just download the wallet, i bought 100block and then what? i just close wallet and that is it or do i have to do something so they are not staking?
newbie
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I got a question about POS, that is very important for me to be answered, because of my religion. the question is:  Can i choose to hold block but NOT TO STAKE my coins, lets say i got 100Block in my wallet for 2 years, then i still want them to be 100 block i dont want Stake reward is this possible, or is my wallet force-staking automaticly?
Can I ask what the religion?
Yes it is
newbie
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I got a question about POS, that is very important for me to be answered, because of my religion. the question is:  Can i choose to hold block but NOT TO STAKE my coins, lets say i got 100Block in my wallet for 2 years, then i still want them to be 100 block i dont want Stake reward is this possible, or is my wallet force-staking automaticly?
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 1708
First 100% Liquid Stablecoin Backed by Gold
Does this help? :

https://www.reddit.com/r/theblocknet/comments/676buj/ask_anything_about_blocknet_qa/?sort=new

The Blocknet is the only project in our awareness that decentralises the four core functions of an exchange - capital deposits, order broadcast, order matching, and coin exchange.
all coins stay in wallets
orders are broadcast over an inter-chain DHT network overlay
order books are compiled by local applications, not a central or distributed entity
coin exchange is atomic and trustless, utilising OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY and not requiring the control of any third party.
As for interoperability in general and the emerging token ecosystem, the Blocknet is deliberately designed to function as infrastructure. No central chain is required, enabling services to be built on any chain and monetised and delivered over xbridgep2p, our "blockchain router," to nodes on any other chain and to dapps harnessing blockchain services.

monetised API consumption
digital service delivery

The Blocknet is designed as infrastructure for the emerging token ecosystem. Any service or orchestrated sequence of microservices provided by dapps may be delivered over the Blocknet's infrastructure.
Using decentralised exchange, these services are intrinsically monetisable, removing the friction and high costs of traditional payment networks - friction which has prevented the monetisation of the bulk of the API ecosystem.
Due to the decentralised exchange, consumers of a service may pay in their native token even if the service consumes a different token.

If you're looking for concrete examples, the scenario is the same as current apps with a microservices architecture: you can build any of them with a monolithic architecture, but they'll struggle to scale, bugfixing is harder, a bug anywhere can break the entire thing, and they're not composable (i.e. they cannot be broken down into sub-services which may be used and monetised in other ways).
So... take all the dapps in existence. We're making the case that it's best to build many of them as inter-chain dapps.

I'll list a couple of simple ideas:

Zcash mixer (clone a multiwallet, integrate xbridgep2p, auto-trade for Zcash and back to any other currency. Near-perfect mixing)
A marketplace app. You'd want the following services: (a) customer reputation and info, (b) payment processing, (c) image storage, (d) item listings. Use a microservices architecture for the reasons given above, gaining the advantages of utilising multiple blockchains. Use one chain to store encrypted customer info (see the final item on this list), use the Blocknet's XBridge to accept payments in any cryptocurrency, store images on a server, and use a third chain and in-wallet code for the item listings and UX. The result: a scalable, composable set of services that are easier to bugfix, ungrade, or replace.

The use of any Ethereum contract by supplying "gas" in other coins
A stablecoin that maintains its peg by exploiting the fact that trade records on a dx are on-chain (checks trade records; burns/creates or freezes/unfreezes coins to maintain a precisely equivalent money supply)
An OAuth killer: a personal information service that records encrypted personal metadata on your chain and comes with a revocable permissioning system. Users thus acquire self-sovereignty over their personal information. From there, you can integrate to any site/app requiring sign-in, or users can voluntarily sell their metadata to advertisers for micropayments (sorry, Google Ads), or it can support passport/identity systems.

Thank you for that but still I understand tech behind this coin and ongoing development but there isn't one working app. Why?
sr. member
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Merit: 252
Blocknet is special because it's the first decentralized exchange using atomic transactions. Meaning, fast & secure w/ no iou's.

If you build it, they will come.

Patience people. This is just the beginning.
hero member
Activity: 771
Merit: 521
Does this help? :

https://www.reddit.com/r/theblocknet/comments/676buj/ask_anything_about_blocknet_qa/?sort=new

The Blocknet is the only project in our awareness that decentralises the four core functions of an exchange - capital deposits, order broadcast, order matching, and coin exchange.
all coins stay in wallets
orders are broadcast over an inter-chain DHT network overlay
order books are compiled by local applications, not a central or distributed entity
coin exchange is atomic and trustless, utilising OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY and not requiring the control of any third party.
As for interoperability in general and the emerging token ecosystem, the Blocknet is deliberately designed to function as infrastructure. No central chain is required, enabling services to be built on any chain and monetised and delivered over xbridgep2p, our "blockchain router," to nodes on any other chain and to dapps harnessing blockchain services.

monetised API consumption
digital service delivery

The Blocknet is designed as infrastructure for the emerging token ecosystem. Any service or orchestrated sequence of microservices provided by dapps may be delivered over the Blocknet's infrastructure.
Using decentralised exchange, these services are intrinsically monetisable, removing the friction and high costs of traditional payment networks - friction which has prevented the monetisation of the bulk of the API ecosystem.
Due to the decentralised exchange, consumers of a service may pay in their native token even if the service consumes a different token.

If you're looking for concrete examples, the scenario is the same as current apps with a microservices architecture: you can build any of them with a monolithic architecture, but they'll struggle to scale, bugfixing is harder, a bug anywhere can break the entire thing, and they're not composable (i.e. they cannot be broken down into sub-services which may be used and monetised in other ways).
So... take all the dapps in existence. We're making the case that it's best to build many of them as inter-chain dapps.

I'll list a couple of simple ideas:

Zcash mixer (clone a multiwallet, integrate xbridgep2p, auto-trade for Zcash and back to any other currency. Near-perfect mixing)
A marketplace app. You'd want the following services: (a) customer reputation and info, (b) payment processing, (c) image storage, (d) item listings. Use a microservices architecture for the reasons given above, gaining the advantages of utilising multiple blockchains. Use one chain to store encrypted customer info (see the final item on this list), use the Blocknet's XBridge to accept payments in any cryptocurrency, store images on a server, and use a third chain and in-wallet code for the item listings and UX. The result: a scalable, composable set of services that are easier to bugfix, ungrade, or replace.

The use of any Ethereum contract by supplying "gas" in other coins
A stablecoin that maintains its peg by exploiting the fact that trade records on a dx are on-chain (checks trade records; burns/creates or freezes/unfreezes coins to maintain a precisely equivalent money supply)
An OAuth killer: a personal information service that records encrypted personal metadata on your chain and comes with a revocable permissioning system. Users thus acquire self-sovereignty over their personal information. From there, you can integrate to any site/app requiring sign-in, or users can voluntarily sell their metadata to advertisers for micropayments (sorry, Google Ads), or it can support passport/identity systems.
legendary
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First 100% Liquid Stablecoin Backed by Gold
I see a lot of movement and started to read and educate a little more. I see this aspect of " internet as we always wanted it" but what works on Blocknet? Where are the apps? I see that next big step is exchange. Nothing new we have already few working and new ones in development. I don't want to FUD I like this currency (I like them all when going up) and how dev team communicates but I don't see any use as for now and behind other better coins. What is so special in Blocknet?
hero member
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sr. member
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will those 5k nodes count towards the staking weight?
sr. member
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I`m sure all centralized exchanges will buy 5k blocks to run their own decentralized exchanges  Cool
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hero member
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Yes, you can still buy enough blocks for a node. No problem. Just pop over to bittrex.  Price going up fast today however. Block supply is dwindling as only 3.9 million exist.

all the info and help you want is here: https://blocknet.herokuapp.com/

Also, the reddit AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/theblocknet/comments/676buj/ask_anything_about_blocknet_qa/

Thanks found it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M65hM03tX16FXN-X-30ETWq21WkWts1TxQXv-LR32AU/edit?usp=sharing

I think this should be added to the OP...cool stuff.

Going to experiment with the trader node, see if I can get a coin I have linked.

Went over the guide really quick, I'm guessing setting up a node will be user friend to setup in the future.

So service node is the one that earns from exchange fees and min 5000 coins to run a service node.

But wondering a trader node doesn't require a minimum amount, also guessing it doesn't earn from running it but used for exchanging one coin to another.
Service nodes will get Block fees from all trades.If you run trader node of bitcoin,you will get fees from btc trades.
legendary
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Only 97 K left on bittrex. 17 nodes only

I recommend to check the box "Show all" above orderbook on Bittrex  Wink
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