[ANN][DCR] Decred - Community Governance | Bitcoin Devs | Lightning Network - page 105.

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Quote from: _ingsoc on September 12, 2017, 06:46:45 AM

Quote from: hacksmash on September 12, 2017, 02:45:50 AM

Oddly enough ... I am in the middle of th road on this thought-line. Literally.
It feels time for Decred to do something, and I'm not thinking a full blown media blitz, nor am I thinking wait and make it perfect...
But it needs to integrate with something to show a real-world usability. Show the masses how to use this wonderful toy that has been created.

The proposal system will mark the beginning of a process that propels Decred into taking on entirely new cybernetic properties. Governance is fundamentally a social system at its core. What the proposal system will allow us as stakeholders to do is communicate and control for actions in a formal system. This is significant because without structure, humans struggle to organise and turn their ideas into actions. Directed actions in turn drive societal and technological progress.

The empty promises of fly-by-night operations (e.g., the modus operandi of many ICO projects) fear this point - because it marks the moment real skill and talent find a structure to build on. The moment our structure emerges will be the moment everything changes. Expect it and prepare your affairs accordingly. It's coming.

"without structure, humans struggle to organise and turn their ideas into actions" - This is exactly I am waiting for and I am happy that it will happen... As I mentioned, I think without a leadership no project can be successful. This new feature can give a leadership structure which could work.. I am waiting to see this.

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Quote from: hacksmash on September 12, 2017, 02:45:50 AM

Oddly enough ... I am in the middle of th road on this thought-line. Literally.
It feels time for Decred to do something, and I'm not thinking a full blown media blitz, nor am I thinking wait and make it perfect...
But it needs to integrate with something to show a real-world usability. Show the masses how to use this wonderful toy that has been created.

The proposal system will mark the beginning of a process that propels Decred into taking on entirely new cybernetic properties. Governance is fundamentally a social system at its core. What the proposal system will allow us as stakeholders to do is communicate and control for actions in a formal system. This is significant because without structure, humans struggle to organise and turn their ideas into actions. Directed actions in turn drive societal and technological progress.

The empty promises of fly-by-night operations (e.g., the modus operandi of many ICO projects) fear this point - because it marks the moment real skill and talent find a structure to build on. The moment our structure emerges will be the moment everything changes. Expect it and prepare your affairs accordingly. It's coming.

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Quote from: IncludeBeer on September 12, 2017, 02:29:48 AM

Quote from: szfinx on September 12, 2017, 01:46:33 AM

Quote from: IncludeBeer on September 12, 2017, 01:29:11 AM

Quote from: smeee on September 11, 2017, 11:49:07 PM

from all I have read DCR is a very sound project with very good underlying fundamentals and a good schedule for improvements

so what it really needs is the exposure - marketing etc

probably the best exposure is when it is listed on exchanges because then people notice it and start to research it.

I also think a DCR/USD cross on an exchange will allow it to expand

Devs have already addressed this. This project isn't the kind that boasts or makes promises on future developments. All the best improvements to the code base were done or nearly completed before "public" announcements came (unless you follow the github, then you're always in the know Cheesy

). I don't think current market price is a real concern to all those really invested in the project. Like many others, I'd prefer to keep marketing efforts to a minimum. Let the tech improve. Let's get LN running. Smart Contracts. Enhanced privacy solution (stoked to watch this unfold).

Unfortunately this is the attitude of the Decred project as you described... And this is the reason why investors stopped waiting and moving away.
Marketing and PR are at least as important as the tech itself...

If you wait for perfect conditions, you will never get anything done.
- Ecclesiastes 11:4

Too many people spend too much time trying to perfect something before they actually do it. Instead of waiting for perfection, run with what you’ve got, and fix it along the way.
- Paul Arden

I'm quite happy to buy into lower prices. No reason to worry about price now. It's already pumped up > 400% over last year. What reason is there to put particular efforts into marketing right now? Better to continue work according to the current roadmap and project plans.

Let's finish that, then the devs can assess the situation again and see what makes sense.

Oddly enough ... I am in the middle of th road on this thought-line. Literally.
It feels time for Decred to do something, and I'm not thinking a full blown media blitz, nor am I thinking wait and make it perfect...
But it needs to integrate with something to show a real-world usability. Show the masses how to use this wonderful toy that has been created.

My $0.02 : A new version of OpenBazaar has just been released ... does it still allow other currencies to fork it still ? (the previous linux version failed me terribly, so I gave up playing with it) Putting Decred on a platform like that for now would get it in many more users hands. Even if the platform is replaced by something of Dev's own further down the road, there will be a broader userbase adept at transacting in it. (And you have to admit, at the current price, it is much easier for Newbs to buy in, on a easy platform)

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Quote from: szfinx on September 12, 2017, 01:46:33 AM

Quote from: IncludeBeer on September 12, 2017, 01:29:11 AM

Quote from: smeee on September 11, 2017, 11:49:07 PM

from all I have read DCR is a very sound project with very good underlying fundamentals and a good schedule for improvements

so what it really needs is the exposure - marketing etc

probably the best exposure is when it is listed on exchanges because then people notice it and start to research it.

I also think a DCR/USD cross on an exchange will allow it to expand

Devs have already addressed this. This project isn't the kind that boasts or makes promises on future developments. All the best improvements to the code base were done or nearly completed before "public" announcements came (unless you follow the github, then you're always in the know Cheesy

). I don't think current market price is a real concern to all those really invested in the project. Like many others, I'd prefer to keep marketing efforts to a minimum. Let the tech improve. Let's get LN running. Smart Contracts. Enhanced privacy solution (stoked to watch this unfold).

Unfortunately this is the attitude of the Decred project as you described... And this is the reason why investors stopped waiting and moving away.
Marketing and PR are at least as important as the tech itself...

If you wait for perfect conditions, you will never get anything done.
- Ecclesiastes 11:4

Too many people spend too much time trying to perfect something before they actually do it. Instead of waiting for perfection, run with what you’ve got, and fix it along the way.
- Paul Arden

I'm quite happy to buy into lower prices. No reason to worry about price now. It's already pumped up > 400% over last year. What reason is there to put particular efforts into marketing right now? Better to continue work according to the current roadmap and project plans.

Let's finish that, then the devs can assess the situation again and see what makes sense.

szfinx

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Quote from: IncludeBeer on September 12, 2017, 01:29:11 AM

Quote from: smeee on September 11, 2017, 11:49:07 PM

from all I have read DCR is a very sound project with very good underlying fundamentals and a good schedule for improvements

so what it really needs is the exposure - marketing etc

probably the best exposure is when it is listed on exchanges because then people notice it and start to research it.

I also think a DCR/USD cross on an exchange will allow it to expand

Devs have already addressed this. This project isn't the kind that boasts or makes promises on future developments. All the best improvements to the code base were done or nearly completed before "public" announcements came (unless you follow the github, then you're always in the know Cheesy

). I don't think current market price is a real concern to all those really invested in the project. Like many others, I'd prefer to keep marketing efforts to a minimum. Let the tech improve. Let's get LN running. Smart Contracts. Enhanced privacy solution (stoked to watch this unfold).

Unfortunately this is the attitude of the Decred project as you described... And this is the reason why investors stopped waiting and moving away.
Marketing and PR are at least as important as the tech itself...

If you wait for perfect conditions, you will never get anything done.
- Ecclesiastes 11:4

Too many people spend too much time trying to perfect something before they actually do it. Instead of waiting for perfection, run with what you’ve got, and fix it along the way.
- Paul Arden

IncludeBeer

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Quote from: smeee on September 11, 2017, 11:49:07 PM

from all I have read DCR is a very sound project with very good underlying fundamentals and a good schedule for improvements

so what it really needs is the exposure - marketing etc

probably the best exposure is when it is listed on exchanges because then people notice it and start to research it.

I also think a DCR/USD cross on an exchange will allow it to expand

Devs have already addressed this. This project isn't the kind that boasts or makes promises on future developments. All the best improvements to the code base were done or nearly completed before "public" announcements came (unless you follow the github, then you're always in the know Cheesy

). I don't think current market price is a real concern to all those really invested in the project. Like many others, I'd prefer to keep marketing efforts to a minimum. Let the tech improve. Let's get LN running. Smart Contracts. Enhanced privacy solution (stoked to watch this unfold).

szfinx

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Quote from: smeee on September 11, 2017, 11:49:07 PM

from all I have read DCR is a very sound project with very good underlying fundamentals and a good schedule for improvements

so what it really needs is the exposure - marketing etc

probably the best exposure is when it is listed on exchanges because then people notice it and start to research it.

I also think a DCR/USD cross on an exchange will allow it to expand

DCR is added to Poloneix and Bittrex already, the major exchanges are covered. I am not sure about any Chinese one at the moment as they are not too crypto friendly nowadays. But would worth a try.
The DCR/USD would be very useful indeed, I agree. Preferably being in Coinbase where everyone would be able to buy directly using a credit card instead of via BTC. I am not talking about changelly as it is way overpriced.

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from all I have read DCR is a very sound project with very good underlying fundamentals and a good schedule for improvements

so what it really needs is the exposure - marketing etc

probably the best exposure is when it is listed on exchanges because then people notice it and start to research it.

I also think a DCR/USD cross on an exchange will allow it to expand

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Quote from: DBgrid on September 11, 2017, 08:58:42 AM

Waiting for Up trend.
Will the DCR grow ?? When!? Shocked

When the last complainer sells.

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Quote from: szfinx on September 11, 2017, 09:11:52 AM

Quote from: DBgrid on September 11, 2017, 08:58:42 AM

Waiting for Up trend.
Will the DCR grow ?? When!? Shocked

I would love to say yes, but i am not sure. Looks like since April, with a brief exception in June, Decred's price is just declining. It drop when BTC dump and it doesn't grow when BTC is going up... Now even PIVX is 10 places above DCR.
Decred is a mature and professional project, but something is not working, there is no leadership who would steer the project to upward trend. And without a leadership team, no for-profit organisation ever succeeded.

that is very bad, so - wait that the price will rise at least to 0.01 in the next month makes no sense?(

szfinx

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Quote from: DBgrid on September 11, 2017, 08:58:42 AM

Waiting for Up trend.
Will the DCR grow ?? When!? Shocked

I would love to say yes, but i am not sure. Looks like since April, with a brief exception in June, Decred's price is just declining. It drop when BTC dump and it doesn't grow when BTC is going up... Now even PIVX is 10 places above DCR.
Decred is a mature and professional project, but something is not working, there is no leadership who would steer the project to upward trend. And without a leadership team, no for-profit organisation ever succeeded.

DBgrid

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Waiting for Up trend.
Will the DCR grow ?? When!? Shocked

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https://twitter.com/Jorobg1/status/906039523691433984

" Circulating Supply 5,708,201 DCR coins AND 41.65%-2,552,806 coins are locked in PoS mining! " Shocked

It's good. Maybe always be so, at least until to reach 21m DCR (2039)

_ingsoc

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We've updated the OP text. Would love some feedback on what can be improved. Mad props to lustosa for helping out on this one. And of course, Eeter for making the graphics!

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Quote from: template on September 04, 2017, 05:43:26 PM

Decred <> Dead coin fake pump dump

infact

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Quote from: _ingsoc on September 05, 2017, 09:55:22 AM

Quote from: template on September 04, 2017, 05:43:26 PM

Decred <> Dead coin fake pump dump

Quote from: w0lf0. on September 05, 2017, 03:00:52 AM

I don't understand this skepticism around the decreds, devs are serious and project is important but is like the coin is "dead"

It's how the cycle works when you're a serious project. People have become accustomed to ICO scams full of promises and hype, without much substance. Decred's development activity has been unusually active in the background when compared to other projects. A little while ago I calculated the number of pull requests (collections of code) finalised and merged into Decred's core repositories and it was well over 2,000 since launch. Now that's a weak statistic to base development quality on, but it shows serious activity.

Anyone familiar with the codebase itself can attest to its quality. I would imagine that's why the upstream project (same developers, same core codebase) received praise from the Lightning Network this year: "Our Bitcoin library of choice is btcsuite, the very set of libraries that powers btcd, the full-node implementation which is also written in pure-golang."

If the same code and effort that went into Decred is good enough for them, I'd say we're on the right track. Especially considering the great major milestones on the updated roadmap:

Public proposal system
Stakeholder-directed DAO
Lightning Network
Enhanced user privacy

Having said all that, it takes particularly skilled people to recognise this and read between the lines.

I just hold my fews decreds and i hope on you and your team, dcr is one on my fav coins

hacksmash

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Quote from: _ingsoc on September 05, 2017, 09:55:22 AM

Having said all that, it takes particularly skilled people to recognise this and read between the lines.

Hodlers ... I think (!?!?) he just complimented your good taste Wink

_ingsoc

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Quote from: template on September 04, 2017, 05:43:26 PM

Decred <> Dead coin fake pump dump

Quote from: w0lf0. on September 05, 2017, 03:00:52 AM

I don't understand this skepticism around the decreds, devs are serious and project is important but is like the coin is "dead"

It's how the cycle works when you're a serious project. People have become accustomed to ICO scams full of promises and hype, without much substance. Decred's development activity has been unusually active in the background when compared to other projects. A little while ago I calculated the number of pull requests (collections of code) finalised and merged into Decred's core repositories and it was well over 2,000 since launch. Now that's a weak statistic to base development quality on, but it shows serious activity.

Anyone familiar with the codebase itself can attest to its quality. I would imagine that's why the upstream project (same developers, same core codebase) received praise from the Lightning Network this year: "Our Bitcoin library of choice is btcsuite, the very set of libraries that powers btcd, the full-node implementation which is also written in pure-golang."

If the same code and effort that went into Decred is good enough for them, I'd say we're on the right track. Especially considering the great major milestones on the updated roadmap:

Public proposal system
Stakeholder-directed DAO
Lightning Network
Enhanced user privacy

Having said all that, it takes particularly skilled people to recognise this and read between the lines.

w0lf0.

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I have voted..

I don't understand this skepticism around the decreds, devs are serious and project is important but is like the coin is "dead"

template

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Decred <> Dead coin fake pump dump

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