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Topic: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Community Governance | Bitcoin Devs | Lightning Network - page 228. (Read 1201380 times)

legendary
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The 50 cent range is an interesting one because that's the value Company 0 uses to pay developers...  I would expect some sideways motion here unless we are truly rekt.

well that is new  Roll Eyes ... where did you get that from? If they were paying at a set rate of $.50 even when it was $2.5 that would mean a big fuck you to rest of us people buying on the exchanges.
Hope it is and always has been at market rate which would make sense else it is fuckin criminal. People aren't blind and the project has a good rep given the constant development but at what fuckin price are we getting that development? they are charging an outrageous premium if perpetual $.50 is the case, and if you add to that the fact that claymore farms are getting free dcr from mining eth then this shit is not close to the bottom, no even close.

inbefore the "claymore is not free dcr because it consumes more electrity" yeah big chinese farms interested in mining eth for profit have their full attention on ETH ... they are not going to say no to free dcr and autodump.. even dumping at 1 satoshi would be profit for them..

That's been known since the beginning...  the devs can't sell their coins until Feb 2017 (when I'm expecting an uprise).  How is it unfair?  The dev team is paid in $DCR or has to buy $DCR with their own money.  They just get a sweeter deal (the same deal you get now) because they are shouldering all of the work.

Dev team gets 10% from every block and have set an example around this context transparency wise with full accountability of how that is spent, I respect that, we're not used to that around this place.

Now my understanding was that their funding cost math resulted in $.50 / DCR, that was what it had costed them to produce everything til the mainnet genesis block. That set a precedent in terms of price discovery to let the market go wild like it is supposed to. I honestly do not remember reading about a perpetual set USD exchange rate for DCR coming out of the daily block subsidy for developers. That certainly is not fair for market participants.


It doesn't, that's for other things...  Company 0 got the dev part of the premine.  Devs are paid in Decred / buy their own Decred @ 50 cents.  I could be wrong but that's my understanding.

Community outreach really sucks ass these days with _ingsoc being out of the picture. 
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
The 50 cent range is an interesting one because that's the value Company 0 uses to pay developers...  I would expect some sideways motion here unless we are truly rekt.

well that is new  Roll Eyes ... where did you get that from? If they were paying at a set rate of $.50 even when it was $2.5 that would mean a big fuck you to rest of us people buying on the exchanges.
Hope it is and always has been at market rate which would make sense else it is fuckin criminal. People aren't blind and the project has a good rep given the constant development but at what fuckin price are we getting that development? they are charging an outrageous premium if perpetual $.50 is the case, and if you add to that the fact that claymore farms are getting free dcr from mining eth then this shit is not close to the bottom, no even close.

inbefore the "claymore is not free dcr because it consumes more electrity" yeah big chinese farms interested in mining eth for profit have their full attention on ETH ... they are not going to say no to free dcr and autodump.. even dumping at 1 satoshi would be profit for them..

That's been known since the beginning...  the devs can't sell their coins until Feb 2017 (when I'm expecting an uprise).  How is it unfair?  The dev team is paid in $DCR or has to buy $DCR with their own money.  They just get a sweeter deal (the same deal you get now) because they are shouldering all of the work.

Dev team gets 10% from every block and have set an example around this context transparency wise with full accountability of how that is spent, I respect that, we're not used to that around this place.

Now my understanding was that their funding cost math resulted in $.50 / DCR, that was what it had costed them to produce everything til the mainnet genesis block. That set a precedent in terms of price discovery to let the market go wild like it is supposed to. I honestly do not remember reading about a perpetual set USD exchange rate for DCR coming out of the daily block subsidy for developers. That certainly is not fair for market participants.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
The 50 cent range is an interesting one because that's the value Company 0 uses to pay developers...  I would expect some sideways motion here unless we are truly rekt.

well that is new  Roll Eyes ... where did you get that from? If they were paying at a set rate of $.50 even when it was $2.5 that would mean a big fuck you to rest of us people buying on the exchanges.
Hope it is and always has been at market rate which would make sense else it is fuckin criminal. People aren't blind and the project has a good rep given the constant development but at what fuckin price are we getting that development? they are charging an outrageous premium if perpetual $.50 is the case, and if you add to that the fact that claymore farms are getting free dcr from mining eth then this shit is not close to the bottom, no even close.

inbefore the "claymore is not free dcr because it consumes more electrity" yeah big chinese farms interested in mining eth for profit have their full attention on ETH ... they are not going to say no to free dcr and autodump.. even dumping at 1 satoshi would be profit for them..

That's been known since the beginning...  the devs can't sell their coins until Feb 2017 (when I'm expecting an uprise).  How is it unfair?  The dev team is paid in $DCR or has to buy $DCR with their own money.  They just get a sweeter deal (the same deal you get now) because they are shouldering all of the work.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
The 50 cent range is an interesting one because that's the value Company 0 uses to pay developers...  I would expect some sideways motion here unless we are truly rekt.

well that is new  Roll Eyes ... where did you get that from? If they were paying at a set rate of $.50 even when it was $2.5 that would mean a big fuck you to rest of us people buying on the exchanges.
Hope it is and always has been at market rate which would make sense else it is fuckin criminal. People aren't blind and the project has a good rep given the constant development but at what fuckin price are we getting that development? they are charging an outrageous premium if perpetual $.50 is the case, and if you add to that the fact that claymore farms are getting free dcr from mining eth then this shit is not close to the bottom, no even close.

inbefore the "claymore is not free dcr because it consumes more electrity" yeah big chinese farms with cheap electricity interested in mining eth for profit have their full attention on ETH ... they are not going to say no to free dcr and autodump.. even dumping at 1 satoshi would be profit for them..
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
The 50 cent range is an interesting one because that's the value Company 0 uses to pay developers...  I would expect some sideways motion here unless we are truly rekt.
sr. member
Activity: 248
Merit: 250
One World
Double bottom??? Not really...  Sad
legendary
Activity: 1164
Merit: 1010
It's important to understand that early investors didn't pay for their tokens. They received them for free based on their contribution with the rate 1 EFT = 90.64 DCR

And 1 token gives you only 0.0025% (1000 EFT = 2.5%) of the total Evolution profit (all time subsidy from PoS), which is not that many as you may think unless Decred didn't hit a 10$ / 100$ level.

Can you send me a link to the initial post? Didn't get any email or something...

Only a few pages back Cheesy

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anndcr-decred-community-governance-bitcoin-devs-lightning-network-1290358
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 251
is there any exchange already listing them or how can one buy it?

We will launch our own exchange DCR / BTC and EFT / DCR. Of course, any other exchange will be free to list this asset as well. But our goal is our own exchange, because in future we want to allow users deposit not only DCR, but also BTC (and maybe even ETH) to start staking, so we will automatically buy DCR for them. Something like our clone of Shapeshift for Decred will be a perfect experience for our miners and new investors.

Will you be buying insurance in case it gets hacked? Shapeshift was hacked, and half the regular exchanges have been hacked too. Coinbase and gemini are the only exchanges I know that claim to be insured, and it's expensive. Can you afford insurance, or to pay for all the losses from a hack yourself as shapeshift did?
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1020
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It's important to understand that early investors didn't pay for their tokens. They received them for free based on their contribution with the rate 1 EFT = 90.64 DCR

And 1 token gives you only 0.0025% (1000 EFT = 2.5%) of the total Evolution profit (all time subsidy from PoS), which is not that many as you may think unless Decred didn't hit a 10$ / 100$ level.

Can you send me a link to the initial post? Didn't get any email or something...
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 529
It's important to understand that early investors didn't pay for their tokens. They received them for free based on their contribution with the rate 1 EFT = 90.64 DCR

And 1 token gives you only 0.0025% (1000 EFT = 2.5%) of the total Evolution profit (all time subsidy from PoS), which is not that many as you may think unless Decred didn't hit a 10$ / 100$ level.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1020
expect(brain).toHaveBeenUsed()
I want to increase the share. I want to buy your ETF tokens at the price 370 DCR for 1 ETF. Write me to PM.

Or you keep up some decentralization and sell them to me, because I don't have any.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
I want to increase the share. I want to buy your ETF tokens at the price 370 DCR for 1 ETF. Write me to PM.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 529
is there any exchange already listing them or how can one buy it?

We will launch our own exchange DCR / BTC and EFT / DCR. Of course, any other exchange will be free to list this asset as well. But our goal is our own exchange, because in future we want to allow users deposit not only DCR, but also BTC (and maybe even ETH) to start staking, so we will automatically buy DCR for them. Something like our clone of Shapeshift for Decred will be a perfect experience for our miners and new investors.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1020
expect(brain).toHaveBeenUsed()
Just so I get this straight, it's not too late to create an account, send funds and start staking?
It is too late to get EFT tokens, unless you buy them from someone? Max of 1000 tokens forever?

Yes, the platform is now open for everyone. You can make deposit whenever you want and start staking.
Max 1000 EFT forever, now you can only buy them from existing holder (if you find someone ready to sell). 1000 EFT = 2.5% from reward of every voted ticket.
is there any exchange already listing them or how can one buy it?
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 529
Just so I get this straight, it's not too late to create an account, send funds and start staking?
It is too late to get EFT tokens, unless you buy them from someone? Max of 1000 tokens forever?

Yes, the platform is now open for everyone. You can make deposit whenever you want and start staking.
Max 1000 EFT forever, now you can only buy them from existing holder (if you find someone ready to sell). 1000 EFT = 2.5% from reward of every voted ticket.
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
https://dcrstats.com/img/evolution_live.png

Beta Testing has been successfully finished.

The platform is now live and open for all PoS miners: https://evolution.dcrstats.com/
Thanks to everyone who supported the project and helped with testing.

All beta participants (investors) can now see EFT tokens in their balances.

Some numbers:
- total investments during BETA: 90,648.76 DCR
- 66 investors
- total EFT supply is 1000 EFT
- 1 EFT = 90.64 DCR

First dividends will be paid to your Deposit addresses already on 1st December 2016. You will also find a list of transactions in your profile Smiley
Withdrawals of DCR will be enabled in next 24 hours (1st December). Withdrawals of EFT will be enabled after the launch of smart contract. (remember, that it is a platform, who pays you dividends, so there is no sense to keep your tokens outside of the Evolution unless you want to sell your tokens at the Exchange).

Congratulations to all investors Wink Thanks again for the help with testing!

Just so I get this straight, it's not too late to create an account, send funds and start staking?
It is too late to get EFT tokens, unless you buy them from someone? Max of 1000 tokens forever?

legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
Keeping an eye on it. I rarely do so, opted out of day trading. This one may play out, so keeping an eye on it for now.

are you keeping an eye on it? Do you usually do so? do you day trade? I want to know all about you  Smiley

full member
Activity: 658
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Keeping an eye on it. I rarely do so, opted out of day trading. This one may play out, so keeping an eye on it for now.
legendary
Activity: 1164
Merit: 1010
Looks great!  On my dashboard, I can see how many EFT I have, but is there a way to see the number and value of dividend payments those EFT are earning me?

Now you can see it Wink I've updated the "Balance" page and you have a "EFT" tab with all transactions.

Good work!

Thanks Dcrstats! Great additions, I'm glad I decided to invest!  Looking forward to the exchange where I can pick up some EFT Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
sambiohazard, all stake pools have the same code base, and to stop your fear, uncertainty and doubts I'm constantly update Dcrstats Stakepool to newest versions and add new security features to protect your accounts (2FA coming very soon, it's been successfuly tested in Evolution already).

So, first of all, if attackers will find a vulnerability in the stakepool or decred software, they won't attack only one biggest pool, but all of them. And you know it doesn't matter then 1 pool with 25% or 5 pools with 5%. Actually, yes, it matters, because I don't know how serious are all 9 pool operators, but our reaction and hot-fixing will be super fast.

Even if hackers can take control under all 10 existing stakepools (c0 + 9 from rfp), what can they do in the short terms? Do not include transactions in next 10 blocks? To destroy next 10 blocks? Even if they will take control of all stake pools, it cannot be a 1-minute attack. Hackers will have to maintain all the infrastructure and pay for the hosting of more than 40 servers, which are not cheap Grin

PS: so far you are the only person who don't like something and who is going to attack the network.

I definitely agree with sambiohazard in this respect, and I'm pretty sure others do as well. I've voiced my concern for a healthier network distribution before, and this initiative, to me, is a step in the wrong direction. Nonetheless, you're providing a staking alternative for the less technical users, so kudos for that.

Folks, please consider joining any of the smaller PoS pools. Thanks!  Wink

Thanks for the support myagui. He probably didnt read my post. Dyrk when someone wants to disrupt the network, they would do it with least resource requirement. If you provide them with one pool with lots of tickets, they will attack it instead of 5 pools with 5% tickets as costs to attack will be significantly less. Dont tell me that you dont understand how distributing the tickets over pools is better while you claim to run a pool that is safe.

I wasn't talking about user account security with hackers rather about DDoS attack on your pool. On front of user fund/account security it is more about trust with you which i am slowly loosing as you go against what is good for the project and network.

I hope that it works out for everyone but path you are taking is certainly not the best for a decentralized currency. Your project introduces trust and centralization back into the system. I hope devs will intervene or introduce correct incentives at protocol level to ensure decentralization of PoS tickets.

You tell ridiculous things. Does not confuse you that today, there are at least two solo miners about 20% of volume of PoS having at the order.

I do not see a problem if in future dyrk transfers a part of tickets to other pools.

I do not see in it danger, I see in it an opportunity for which many waited. It does DECRED closer to simple people.

To each his own. I think its not good for whole decred ecosystem, i hope it turns out good for everyone.
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